But who are these amazingly talented English players who are significantly better than Keane and are attainable? There's Dier and we're after him too. Dont think Kane,Alli,Sterling,Stones are attainable
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Yes it needs improving
In terms of quality on the ball and building up from the back, there is much to be improved upon. Lindelof altough not my priority signing would bring that to our defence but M Keane would bring nothing except staying fit which really isn't a good reason to sign him (and also not a certainty either)
He is PL tested.. two seasons in the PL.. A graduate of United.. Was one of the best defenders in the PL last season.. He would be welcome here..
Success under Fergie was down to Fergie
Our best domestic talent were our golden boys from the 92 team Beckham, Giggs, Scholes, Neville and wonderkid Rooney from Everton and we don't have quality in our ranks anymore like that nor is it available on an easy pick up in the league. However I have good hope for the future if I look at Rashford, Tuanzebe, Harrop, Gomes but Keane and Dier sure as hell don't fit in on that list.
And yes it is true we had many big name players failling here at United, same can be said about the smaller name players, also many have failed there. Including some english ones like Zaha, Young, Smalling and Jones who everybody wants to see gone because they are not rated. So I find your overall point to be complete and utter bullshite.
Just because the very best of English talent isn't available shouldn't mean we just then bring in a less talented Englishmen just for the sake of it.
There are none but that doesn't mean we have to go for Keane and Dier all of a sudden. If no good english players are available, I have a crazy idea but sign some non-english players who are actually good enough.
I'm sure it's been mentioned on numerous occasions on this thread but I believe this transfer has a 'Cahill' kind of feel. Jose always signs great CB's. Never seen him, in my short memory of him buying CB's, made a mistake.
Not mad keen on him personally but I've heard from a genuine ITK (works with the club) it's already done for 25m.
Djilobodji?
By all accounts, it wasn't a player he was after to replace Terry...hence his bad mood in preseason of 2015
That would be a very good coup for us.
I agree, I could see buying Keane to pad out the squad but I just don't see him as a starter, he's average in all departments, mediocre on the ball, not very agile or mobile, the one key asset he has is he's good in the air.
I presume that figure includes the discount we get from the buy back clause.
Of course! Was just trying out a banter. I mentioned this as Cahill type signing too. Less glamorous but dependable.
£25m for someone who shouldn't be anything more than a backup option.. not a coup if you ask me.
If JM wants Keane for 25m and plans to sell Smalling for similar fees, then what is the problem with that? Skills wise is a lateral move but Keane is younger, less injury prone and possibly possess a winning mentality as compared to Smalling.
What does that even mean? Smalling has been a part of two title winning teams and sides that have won fa cups, league cups and now a Europa League.. how can someone who has been in a relegation battle all season have a better winning mentality?
Most likely £18m-£19m since we have 25% discount.
What?
Smalling has played at the highest level with Utd, won numerous(5) trophies and yet you say Keane has a winning mentality.
Mourinho has admitted he actually had no clue who he was and never seen him play before. Was just recommended by the same person who recommended him Zouma.
Sorry I missed that. As you can tell, I've not been following this thread so much!
I presume that we have other priorities (DM, attacking players), so not much left on the chest for CB. I always like signing player at 25 yo. It's mature enough, so you don't have to babysit him, and you can expect some consistency in his game. Meanwhile, there's still enough room for improvement.
From financial side, if he isn't good enough then, you can still recoup some back when selling him in few years; where he's still in good age for clubs to buy him. Especially with him being English.
I always wanted him to get a chance during the times where we would play Tom Thorpe lol. Keane always stood outt as a future top premier league team player and was a frewuent in the u21s. I dont understand why we didnt sell him with a buy back clause of say £15m but in this current financial climate I would take him for £25m considering that the Manchester United tax does seem to be in the £10m region these days.
Where we would play Tom Thorpe? What you mean that total of 1 minute we gave to Thorpe?
And we sold him with a 25% sell on which is more likely to be beneficial to us in the majority of cases.
I really rated Tom Thorpe; feel like he's wasting himself in midfield at Bolton. Just because he 'can' play ther doesn't mean he should. Was apparently playing in the middle in a reserve game that led LVG to believe that was his default position so he looked towards McNair and Blackett instead. Bizarre really, as I think he could emerge as a Premier League defender if he gets the chance.
That and he also turned Rojo into near indispensable for us. I trust Jose on this one. And Rio's high praise.
As for the transfer fee, that seems in the ballpark for the English premium and general inflation we face being United.
He's better than John Stones imo, not that I'm in favour of his signing.
I guess we differ on his effectiveness on the ball. I see him as a solid CB but not particularly amazing in any aspect, maybe in the air he is although I wonder if that's more to do with him playing for Burnley and being part of a deep defensive setup.
I understand he's not a bad player but I don't get the obsession with wanting him back and why he is suddenly the solution. Is he better than Smalling? IMO they're pretty similar. Is he better than Jones? probably, mainly due to fitness issues than ability. Better than Rojo? Not this season IMO
The sad fact is currently there arent many talented English players attainable or unattainable. Ali stands out in what currently individually is a very very mediocre England side in my opinion. Kane is also good but not my cup of tea. As for Sterling and STones, yes he is talented, or is that was could add the names Barkley, Wilshire, Jones, Sturridge....sadly it seems over the last few years the genuinely talented youngsters we have had just havent progressed out of there teens as they should have done.
100% on this, there isn't much out there anymore, some are injuries and others are because they signed for the wrong clubs
25m for Keane get rid of smalling, we need fit defenders, it may be a lateral move but I'm sure Jose is tired of needing to play midfielders in defence because our lot are a bunch of crocks
I am however 100% against Keane. Signing someone because they are English and can stay fit and are a proper centre back is all good....but I dont think he is anything other than extremely average at best I really dont. I would really think the rumour is bs....but then again it was Mourinho wasnt it that signed a really bang average centre back from Bolton for Chelsea and Cahill has done pretty well for them to be fair
We need home grown players tho, in fact we need defenders. He isn't the answer or a worldie but we do need fit defenders who can perform in the league.
If it's 20mil I'd not be terribly against it
Who would you want us to sign as a centre back then?
If we are that desperate for home grown players, we should have more than enough in store in the likes of Pereira, Tuanzebe, CBJ and any other youth player that wasn't registered last season.
If we need a defender then we should be looking for the best ones available. At least better than what we have.
I meant he was efficient on the ball. Like Jones but much better than Smalling. But over Jones he's more dominant in the air and has a better fitness record.
I guess therefore my question is, do you think he is a good enough signing? I can think of a few players I would rather get that I think are attainable, just none who used to be in our youth setup which seems to be a big part of why we want him back.
To be blunt I would rather we didnt sign anybody at centre back than sign Keane as I think every centre back we have including Blind is a better centre back than Keane and I think we have far more talented if unproven defenders in Mensah and Tuanzabe than Keane as well. We have numbers in that position even if a few are often injured. If we are signing a centre back we should be signing a quality one not a really average one.
Giminez, Romagnoli and Marquinhos would be my first choices but if I thought about it there would probably be 50 centre backs I would rather sign.
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