Think a lot who want this done, simply just want the club to make a signing
Michael Keane| signed to Everton.
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Homegrown, can stay fit, decent experience in the league, young, won't whine if he doesn't start every game, we get a healthy discout on the transfer. Defensively we looked decent this season, if he joins us as a CB to share games with Bailly, Rojo and whoever else will play as a center back and we add a new LB I'll be fine.
Keane
Griezmann
Fabinho
LB
+ another attacking player
And we're good.
Keane
Griezmann
Fabinho
LB
+ another attacking player
And we're good.
Can we stop using 'he's not injury prone/he can stay fit' as a positive. We all know within 5 minutes of rejoining he'll turn into a complete sick-note.
We already have one, Axel. The lad has a much higher ceiling, won't cost us any money and is a United lad.
But what if he doesn't. Not exactly a great argument to not sign a player mate. He's never been injury prone or suffered a big injury but now he might.
I know I'd love it a hell of a lot more if he didn't cost us 40m.
Watched Miguel Keaninho a few times, can confirm he's still not good enough.
Quit with this 'ceiling' nonsense, for the love of Cantona.
The guy is a really good defender. Not sure why most are against bringing him back?
His one weakness is a lack of aggression, but hopefully he can learn to put his body on the line more. The rest is there.
His one weakness is a lack of aggression, but hopefully he can learn to put his body on the line more. The rest is there.
Nothing to suggest he will suddenly become an injury prone player but just because he isn't isn't enough to convince me why we should sign him. Can anybody tell me what other qualities this lad has that aren't "he doesn't get injured" and "he is a United lad"...
Okay, I'll say this then.. people seemingly want to bring back Michael because he is a United lad instead of giving another United lad a chance to shine who I think can be a better player in the long run.
We've had Smalling and Jones for a good while now, and it's clear now that neither are really going to be the top defender we hoped for different reasons, Smalling especially, but of course that is all down to opinion.
By all accounts we are open to offers on Smalling, and Jose clearly fancies Keane, which is good enough for me from a manager with a top reputation when it comes to defenders, the fact that Keane is one of own is a bonus, I just think him and Bailly will work, and as such hope it happens.
I think Jose has had his scouts watch Keane for a while now and there is something which 'fits' Mourinho's philosophy when it comes to a centre back partner for Bailly. I trust Jose over any fan's opinion.
I just don't see it myself, Keane hasn't done anything spectacular to suggest he is capable of of stepping in alongside Bailey and play in a side that next season will be challenging for major honours. I'd be bitterly disappointed if he was signed to be a first teamer, I'd be slightly less so if he were just a backup player but again I think Axel is more than capable of being that guy.
Really dont want,i mean if you give same path to Axel and TFM,doubt they would develop any worse then Keane in Burnley. I rather we spend money somewhere else and show some trust in Axel and TFM.
Of course, doesn't mean I don't get to have an opinion.
It's funny though as the majority on here still seem to rant and rave (me included) about Jesse Lingard but maybe we should all shut up because Jose keeps playing him?
Very good post and I totally agree with buying up the best domestic talent within the league and also buying young foreign players on the cusp of making a name for themselves.
The thing is the landscape has changed to a degree now. We were not so able to sign world class players not so long ago in the days of Martin Edwards as our wage structure didnt really allow it and other leagues such as Italy were the big wage payers as well. But within our league we had both the prestige and the money to get the best domestic players. The only real competition was Blackburn and Leeds at the time of O'Leary. Now we are far more competitive in being able to lure big foreign players but have much more competition within our own league.
Just my personal opinion but domestic English players Rose, Walker, Dier, Keane are they honestly anything more than really average players doing a good job domestically? They are nowhere near the standards of a Keane, Robson, Ince, Yorke, Irwin for example. The only two English players I think of genuine quality are Kane (who I am actually not a fan of) and Ali, neither of which I see attainable this summer.
Also, have we perhaps bought big foreign players badly?
Tevez - As you say did well.
Falcao - Crocked
Schweinsteiger - Crocked (was past his best a good eason or two earlier)
Mata - Domestic signing, and never seemed the right fit for me personally anyway
Berbatov - Domestic signing (thought he was going to do well to be honest)
VDS - Domestic signing
The jury is still out to a degree on Pogba. For me we have still only made two genuine world class signings at the top of there game:
Veron - Quality players, didnt work out, but was a luxury anyway. We had Keane and Scholes two of the very best British midfielders of all time, he barely had a hope anyway of displacing those two even though he was one of the best three midfielders in Italy at the time
Angel DiMaria - At the end of the day he didnt seem to settle BUT LVG used him so badly. He started off for us as an attacking midfielder similar to how he played in his best season at Real. He gets injured, then LVG plays him on his return out wide.....why?
What I would like to see us doing a lot more of, as you have mentioned yourself is buying young foreign players on the cusp of making it. We have bought two in Martial and Depay. I have to admit I had never heard of Martial, but didnt think much of Depay anyway when we signed him. I do think we have missed a trick a few times though look at some of the youngsters that have gone to Germany for example: Dembele, Keita, Emre Mor, Sanches. We always seem to have been linked scouting these players. Are we turning them down in favour of (in my opinion usually poor) big money signings?
For me the best signing we have made recently has been Bailly and he fits exactly into the young on the cusp profile. I would like to see more of those type of signings
I really like Lingard and think he's got a future with us.
this.
You are amongst a few then.
Would be an OK signing for a sensible fee, if we are selling a couple of CBs..
His potential might be higher than Smalling and Jones but he wouldn't immediately improve us, which is what we need ideally.
His potential might be higher than Smalling and Jones but he wouldn't immediately improve us, which is what we need ideally.
He has just been voted Burnley player of the season, and had an England call up, he has improved alot since he left us, and is far more composed on the ball than Smalling will ever be, which counts for a lot imo.
Look at Rojo this time last year, people wanted him gone, but Jose has turned him to a player we all respect now, Keane whilst already at a high level could well improve quickly under Jose, and no way he'll be back up, if he comes it'll be to partner Bailly.
Question...... is Keane playing at a similar level to Gary Cahill when Chelsea signed him from Bolton?
He does....on the bench.
Danny Drinkwater got an England call up, maybe we should resign him. I'm sorry but I just don't see it, Michael Keane is a solid player, nothing more. If we are looking to sign a partner for Eric from this league then I'd much rather someone like Virgil van Dijk but I guess that's because I just want big name signings.
Nope.
Seen nothing in the posts defending this potential signing to suggest desperation.
I wonder how many people, during the course of the season were thinking "Oh, I think Keane will take us to another level". Like about poster said, people seem desperate for a signing and will just about take anyone right now.
Spurs field 5 in their default 11, all of whom would walk into this United team and they're also currently a much better team than United.
Beyond them, Bertrand has been a better leftback than any United player in that position since a then-flying Shaw (another Englishman) got injured. Lallana > Mkhi last season, even Jordan Henderson is better in the deep midfield role Fellaini has brutally occupied.
Why are those Spurs players flourishing? Opportunity. How come Southampton can churn out so many quality English kids? Opportunity. The same opportunities the 'Golden Generation' were granted in the 90s that saw them all trusted by top English clubs and attained elite exposure early enough for them to peak at world class. For too long now English clubs have looked abroad, signing players of the same age but who've got 3-4 years top-level development because that culture of domestic opportunity still exists in their respective nations. That's why they're 'better'; they're simple more mature.
Will Hughes, for example, has been setting the tempo of games in the Championship since the age of 17, yet has been completely overlooked; if he was foreign he'd be valued accordingly and rightly granted the opportunity his talent deserves. Hes got the attributes of a very Carrick-esque metronome at the base of the midfield, if someone has the forsight to utilise him there.
Had Calum Chambers and Shaw followed Pocchettino to Spurs rather than United (mitigating circumstances admittedly with the injury) and Arsenal, they'd both be held in the esteem their talent deserves now. Pocchettino has created an environment there that mirrors the one Sir Alex created at United; an Anglo-friendly one that allows British talent to flourish. Ramsey, Oxlaide-Chamberlain and Walcott committed career suicide by option for Wenger's overly-cosmopolitan club; had they joined Ferguson, he'd have made them significantly superior players than they currently are, ultimately spare parts filling gaps in Wenger's default foreign first 11.
It's not hyperbolic to suggest Cleverley, Welbeck and Jones would not be figures of such ridicule had SAF not retired, because under him they looked like very competent elements of his winning machine, and could have had personal medal collections as respectable as the likes of Fletcher, O'Shea and Wes Brown.
Keane will never make the UEFA team of the year at Burnley; neither would Sergio Ramos. The only way he could ever attain such acclaim would be to actually play on a platform that allows him to showcase his talents. Obviously not saying he ever will reach those pinnacles, but its moronic to write him off having never having played and been exposed as substandard at that level.
Lewis Hamilton isn't the best driver in the world; he has just been given a rare platform to showcase what he's capable of. There might be a joy rider on an estate somewhere who's technically more accomplished, but he's never going to win the F1 based on the masterful manner in which he takes corners full speed at a T junction in a stolen Vauxhall Astra, is he?
Well we'll be getting by the looks of things so lets see.
I'm not here to convince you, but from my point of view him and Bailly will work well, though I also though Memphis Depay would be fantastic, so what do I know!
Haven't seen enough of this lad to have an opinion but 100% trust Mourinho.
Me and you both. I don't claim to be the greatest judge of a player but from what I've seen of Keane I haven't been overly impressed and don't think he warrants a starting place in our team.
Nobody is thinking that now either. This is not going to be our main transfer, it doesn't need to "take us to the next level" to be a good move.
For starters I don't know how to answer the final paragraph as I don't watch F1 and don't know how good a driver Hamilton is and how much is down to the car he's in, however I keep seeing the lauding of Spurs, but for what? They've not won a single thing, we have won 3 cups in the last 2 seasons to their 0 and we've been switching managers and shuffling the deck wiith our personnel.
Sticking with Spurs, you say 5 would walk into our side? I'll give you 3 if we are talking first 11, as Dele, Kane and Rose certainly would, I don't see Dier ahead of Herrera and I certainly don't see Walker ahead of Valencia. I'm sure most here wouldn't object to the 3 I mentioned and some here like Dier, but I wouldn't want Lallana, Henderson, Bertrand or any of the othes you mentioned here because they are run of the mill, it's nothing to do with their nationality. The pool of English players that are actually good enough is shallow, we just don't produce the quality that France, Spain, Germany and the big South American nations produce, which is reflected in our crap our national team is.
Struggling to get my head around the link but maybe he's an eye on homegrown quota?
Yes Memphis was big let down, as was Di Maria, just makes you think differently about signings a bit, I'm all for the big names, but I like the fact idea of us making Keane our first choice CB if possible, as I do Pereira coming back and somehow forcing his way into the team, also would be nice to Perisic come in and rip it up, I do though also hope to hell we sign Greizmann!
the Pogba one was hardly ideal
That's always been a silly argument. Everyone on this forum would be ecstatic if we were linked to Harry Kane or Dele Ali; most would be happy if we were linked with Danny Rose or even Raheem Sterling.
The reason people don't want Keane is because he isn't in that tier of player. He's a Shawcross level player and I seriously doubt we'd be remotely interested if he wasn't an English, ex-United player.
agree with every word
The English part is the big thing I think, with Rooney just about gone and Carrick on his last legs we are probably looking to at a couple of more English players to keep at least half a dozen in the squad.
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