Michael Keane| signed to Everton.

Do you want Michael Keane back at United?

  • Yes

    Votes: 259 43.0%

  • No

    Votes: 172 28.6%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 171 28.4%
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Inigo Montoya said:
What? :confused:

Smalling has played at the highest level with Utd, won numerous(5) trophies and yet you say Keane has a winning mentality.
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Smalling is a coward, as harsh as it sounds. I will make no apologies to his fans for it. Look at the way he plays. He doesn't have the guts to bring or play the ball forward, and passes the ball back to DDG as soon as he is close to being pressed. Even his desire was questioned by JM. He may used to have the winning mentality but for sure many players in the club had been in the comfort zone for all too long. Winning mentality does not equate to winning but rather possess the attitude to excel. Keane took the difficult and risky option of leaving his comfort zone to carve a career and i respect him for that.
 
SouthPredators4 said:
Smalling is a coward, as harsh as it sounds. I will make no apologies to his fans for it. Look at the way he plays. He doesn't have the guts to bring or play the ball forward, and passes the ball back to DDG as soon as he is close to being pressed. Even his desire was questioned by JM. He may used to have the winning mentality but for sure many players in the club had been in the comfort zone for all too long. Winning mentality does not equate to winning but rather possess the attitude to excel. Keane took the difficult and risky option of leaving his comfort zone to carve a career and i respect him for that.
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Smallings issue under pressure isnt a lack of guts, he is very poor with his weak foot, both in controlling the ball and passing it. When he gets into trouble its most often a function of his left foot control letting him down or also his being caught out while attempting to get onto his right foot. He passes back under pressure when he cant safely get on to his good foot. Its been that way since he joined us. Its the main thing that holds him back.
With respect to the attitude to excel you do realise that Smalling made it to Utd having once been a non league player, surely thats excelling?
There is a certain irony in an anonymous person hiding behind a keyboard referring to someone else as a coward.
 
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I think people are getting hung up on price when the reality is that clubs like Burnley are now getting massive TV money too and don't need to sell, whereas even a couple of years ago they'd surely have found £10m hard to resist.

I doubt Keane wants to come back to sit on the bench, especially after making his England breakthrough, but all of our centre backs spent long periods out injured last season and it's a recurring theme with at least two. He'll fancy his chances of establishing himself.
 
Stack said:
Smallings issue under pressure isnt a lack of guts, he is very poor with his weak foot, both in controlling the ball and passing it. When he gets into trouble its most often a function of his left foot control letting him down or also his being caught out while attempting to get onto his right foot. He passes back under pressure when he cant safely get on to his good foot. Its been that way since he joined us. Its the main thing that holds him back.
With respect to the attitude to excel you do realise that Smalling made it to Utd having once been a non league player, surely thats excelling?
There is a certain irony in an anonymous person hiding behind a keyboard referring to someone else as a coward.
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I was struggling to make sense of the comment myself
 
Stack said:
Smallings issue under pressure isnt a lack of guts, he is very poor with his weak foot, both in controlling the ball and passing it. When he gets into trouble its most often a function of his left foot control letting him down or also his being caught out while attempting to get onto his right foot. He passes back under pressure when he cant safely get on to his good foot. Its been that way since he joined us. Its the main thing that holds him back.
With respect to the attitude to excel you do realise that Smalling made it to Utd having once been a non league player, surely thats excelling?
There is a certain irony in an anonymous person hiding behind a keyboard referring to someone else as a coward.
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Perhaps you should familiarise yourself with the term "comfort zone". While i do respect his meteoric rise from non league, he has done nothing worthy after playing with Rio and Vidic with regards to steering the ship through the storm of managerial transition, something i felt is expected of senior players from the Ferguson regime. Also, JM called him out with regards to playing through the pain barrier and i know who i will side with. Fans express different opinions all the time for the good of the club. I don't have to ride the wave alongside fanboys like yourself. Hope it clear things up.

Ps: That being said, i agree that his lack of ability on the ball shouldn't be labelled as an act of cowardice. I retract that statement which was nonsenical.
 
SouthPredators4 said:
Perhaps you should familiarise yourself with the term "comfort zone". While i do respect his meteoric rise from non league, he has done nothing worthy after playing with Rio and Vidic with regards to steering the ship through the storm of managerial transition, something i felt is expected of senior players from the Ferguson regime. Also, JM called him out with regards to playing through the pain barrier and i know who i will side with. Fans express different opinions all the time for the good of the club. I don't have to ride the wave alongside fanboys like yourself. Hope it clear things up.

Ps: That being said, i agree that his lack of ability on the ball shouldn't be labelled as an act of cowardice. I retract that statement which was nonsenical.
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Im not a fanboy, my criticism of his play didnt alert you to that?. I have criticised his play for years. I was merely pointing out that his main problem was a lack of technical ability with his left which contributes to his back passing and other playing problems. The whole lack of guts argument is a very simplistic argument which really lacks any substance.
 
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tomaldinho1 said:
I guess therefore my question is, do you think he is a good enough signing? I can think of a few players I would rather get that I think are attainable, just none who used to be in our youth setup which seems to be a big part of why we want him back.
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I think you are doing him a disservice as he's a really good young centre back. I'd have him in a minute for around £20m. He's very dominant in the air and we lack this badly without Smalling but Smalling has his own issues.
 
dichinero said:
If we are that desperate for home grown players, we should have more than enough in store in the likes of Pereira, Tuanzebe, CBJ and any other youth player that wasn't registered last season.
If we need a defender then we should be looking for the best ones available. At least better than what we have.
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I wouldn't want us to start a new season with the champions league and our back up defenders are kids from the youth team. We need to build a strong squad, I'm sure signing Keane won't hinder a move for a stronger defender
 
Stack said:
Im not a fanboy, my criticism of his play didnt alert you to that?. I have criticised his play for years. I was merely pointing out that his main problem was a lack of technical ability with his left which contributes to his back passing and other playing problems. The whole lack of guts argument is a very simplistic argument which really lacks any substance.
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Exactly.
 
SirScholes said:
I wouldn't want us to start a new season with the champions league and our back up defenders are kids from the youth team. We need to build a strong squad, I'm sure signing Keane won't hinder a move for a stronger defender
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We do not need to buy more than one CB. Usually once Mourinho finds a CB pairing he can trust he will play them until he is forced not to. I think he has found at least one in Bailly.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
We do not need to buy more than one CB. Usually once Mourinho finds a CB pairing he can trust he will play them until he is forced not to. I think he has found at least one in Bailly.
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Ok so we have Bailly New centre back and rojo, keeping in mind that jones is injured most the time and smalling could be on his way.
Do you think that is enough for a team who will push to win 4 competitions with out priority
 
SirScholes said:
Ok so we have Bailly New centre back and rojo, keeping in mind that jones is injured most the time and smalling could be on his way.
Do you think that is enough for a team who will push to win 4 competitions with out priority
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Most clubs can get by with 4 CBs. Not to mention we have Blind as well.
 
Keane's price is fair given Burnley have invested faith in him and his development for the past few years; they've earned it.

Rob Holding looks top class for Arsenal, acquired from up the road of peanuts, about the same price as Stones from Barnsley. Factor in Alli as well, and it becomes glaringly obvious that despite the chimps' insistence that no English players are good enough/too expensive, there's an abundance of rough diamonds available in the lower leagues if you have the foresight to pick them up rather than pursuing exclusively exotic names. Same applies to Mawson and Maguire; both becoming very good Premier League footballers. Spurs picked Walker and Rose up from the football league on the cheap as well.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Most clubs can get by with 4 CBs. Not to mention we have Blind as well.
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That is only 3 centre backs mate, rojo Bailly new cb, we have jones but he will be injured and blind isn't right for for the premier league at centre back
 
I don't think Keane is on holiday any more, so what the feck is taking him so long?

Sign already and get the Muppet juices simmering while links to Neymar start back up
 
I wonder if we get him does Mourinho see him as someone to partner with Bailly as a starter, or a backup option in case one of Jones/Smalling leaves?
 
Fracture90 said:
I wonder if we get him does Mourinho see him as someone to partner with Bailly as a starter, or a backup option in case one of Jones/Smalling leaves?
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I'd hope as a replacement for one of Smalling/Jones to compete with Rojo and or a new signing.
 
marukomu said:
Anyone else we got rid of that we can sign again for shit loads?
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£30m
 
I'm just curious.

It's not unreasonable yo expect the following to not be at the club next season:

Young
Shaw
Rooney
Jones
Smalling

This would leave us with only 3 home grown players (pogba, lingard, carrick) in main 25 squad.

Id actually be surprised if both jones and smalling were sold but never know.

How many do we need in the 25?
 
Dracula said:
I'm just curious.

It's not unreasonable yo expect the following to not be at the club next season:

Young
Shaw
Rooney
Jones
Smalling

This would leave us with only 3 home grown players (pogba, lingard, carrick) in main 25 squad.

Id actually be surprised if both jones and smalling were sold but never know.

How many do we need in the 25?
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Doesn't Perriera count and Jose is taking him on tour to integrate him back into the squad after his loan?
 
Dracula said:
I'm just curious.

It's not unreasonable yo expect the following to not be at the club next season:

Young
Shaw
Rooney
Jones
Smalling

This would leave us with only 3 home grown players (pogba, lingard, carrick) in main 25 squad.

Id actually be surprised if both jones and smalling were sold but never know.

How many do we need in the 25?
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Can add Pereira and Rashford to that list as well as probably TFM and Axel.
 
Dracula said:
So you dont need 8 on top of those in inder 21 group?
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We need the experts to chime in. I think Pogba counts as well. I see where you might be going with this though. We might need Keane to help make up the numbers. I'm also hoping we get Ryan Sessegnon as well on that front. He's my muppet signing.
 
Dracula said:
So you dont need 8 on top of those in inder 21 group?
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Honestly, I'm not entirely sure how it works, I think it depends on which group you choose to register players, So Rashford, for example, could be registered as part of the 25 if we needed to make up homegrown numbers.

Edit: I know you can play u23 (?) players from youth/reserve setups at any point, the main 25 registered is mainly to identify your first team players who will almost always consist of players in the prime, the majority of which now come from overseas. The homegrown numbers are to ensure you don't just overload your first team squad with foreign players, I don't think there is any age restriction to this group, mind.
 
Dracula said:
I'm just curious.

It's not unreasonable yo expect the following to not be at the club next season:

Young
Shaw
Rooney
Jones
Smalling

This would leave us with only 3 home grown players (pogba, lingard, carrick) in main 25 squad.

Id actually be surprised if both jones and smalling were sold but never know.

How many do we need in the 25?
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Selling Smalling would be a bigger shock/news to me than any transfer coming in.
 
He was at the concert yesterday and posted a picture on instagram with the comment 'Manchester' and a heart. 100% on.
 
Ok, i *think* you need to list a group of 25. In there you need 8 jomegrown/u21 players. On top of that you can pick anyone from your u21 group, but you still need those 8 in your 25. So we may have

Pereira
Pogba
Lingard
Rashford
Carrick
Maybe one of smalling/jones

Do we'll need to promote 2 from u21 (taking up a valuable squad place) or buy at leadt two home grown players.

Im just going to add this...

Lukaku is home grown...
 
0161_UNITED said:
We need the experts to chime in. I think Pogba counts as well. I see where you might be going with this though. We might need Keane to help make up the numbers. I'm also hoping we get Ryan Sessegnon as well on that front. He's my muppet signing.
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Yes Pogba counts
groovyalbert said:
Honestly, I'm not entirely sure how it works, I think it depends on which group you choose to register players, So Rashford, for example, could be registered as part of the 25 if we needed to make up homegrown numbers.

Edit: I know you can play u23 (?) players from youth/reserve setups at any point, the main 25 registered is mainly to identify your first team players who will almost always consist of players in the prime, the majority of which now come from overseas. The homegrown numbers are to ensure you don't just overload your first team squad with foreign players, I don't think there is any age restriction to this group, mind.
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You don't need to make up the numbers. You can have no homegrown players if you like, in the PL, the CL is different I believe. But PL is max of 17 non-homegrown players over the age of 21. Under 21 players are not registered, homegrown or not they are not registered to the quota.
 
Dracula said:
Ok, i *think* you need to list a group of 25. In there you need 8 jomegrown/u21 players. On top of that you can pick anyone from your u21 group, but you still need those 8 in your 25. So we may have

Pereira
Pogba
Lingard
Rashford
Carrick
Maybe one of smalling/jones

Do we'll need to promote 2 from u21 (taking up a valuable squad place) or buy at leadt two home grown players.

Im just going to add this...

Lukaku is home grown...
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You don't 'need' to. As far as I know City haven't been able to do it. It just means you can only register 17 non home grown players.
 
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