That's the funny thing really. People keep saying that fans don't want him because he's English when the reality is that his nationality is almost certainly why the club actually want him.
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That's the funny thing really. People keep saying that fans don't want him because he's English when the reality is that his nationality is almost certainly why the club actually want him.
By we do you mean the club or people on the Caf?
Shawcross isn't as good at reading the game and isn't as technically strong (something that doesn't get much chance to be shown at Burnley). Keane is a better player.
I'm all for buying English players, it's what this club has been built upon for decades now but that said, they have to be at a certain standard which for me Michael Keane isn't.
I'd say both to be honest.
Our fans have a fascination with academy players which has frequently ended up with players becoming seriously overrated (e.g. Cleverley, Welbeck, Lingard, Rashford, Keane etc)
I'm sure some on the Caf would like him back because of the romantic aspect of having academy players in the first team, but I don't believe that's a major factor for the club. We've spunked plenty of money over the last 3-4 years while letting academy players go that I find it hard to believe it's a major factor in their decision making. It seems more likely to me that Mourinho just rates him more than many posters here and that he's also likely to be a very gettable target unlike somebody such as Varane or Marquinhos, 2 targets we've been linked with previously, who would likely result in drawn out transfer sagas that Mou seems keen to avoid this summer.
Keane isn't the best CB we could buy, obviously, but I feel there are factors beyond his status as an ex-academy player that warrant our interest in him.
Yep, he's a decent CB but nothing more and if he weren't English I doubt us or Chelsea would have looked his way, but all of the top sides have an eye on their quota. There's just this pattern on the Caf right now with regards to dismissing any opinion that isn't simply agreeing with everything, the replies are always either "You'd want him if his name had inho on the end" or some variation on the FM putdown or the classic idea that no one has a valid opinion if it's different to the manager, like every single manager doesn't have a stack load of badly misjudged transfers to their name.
Better than what we have .. That's the very definition of improving the squad ..Bailly and Keane next season .. Jones and Smalling where they belong hopefully Sunderland
If the rumours are true...
Why would he come back to united after being discarded only to sit in the bench?
No ways he will be a starter, we have to be aiming higher
Why would he come back to united after being discarded only to sit in the bench?
No ways he will be a starter, we have to be aiming higher
Why? At United all of these guys will play over 25 games.. Some will play 50+. What we need is a solid defender who isnt injured or rubbish with the ball at his feet. Paying 65m + for a CB is just crazy talk and with City of late we can see it isnt easy.. Keane over Stones any day for half the price sounds like a plan to me..
I like this signing. Bailly and him could be great partnership. Rojo and bailly also. Blind as backup.
No problem if one of smalling/jones are sent out.
No problem if one of smalling/jones are sent out.
Well mate it is what the club was built on. You do support Manchester United. Keane has proven himself to be a very good PL defender, you might disagree with that but I think it's a valid reason to judge over him just being a youth product.
I know it's not the right thread but I got to ask Rashford, overrated really?
I'm happy to see us give chances to academy players when they are good enough but I don't think Keane is worth it.
I'm not saying Rashford is poor or anything but I don't think he's good enough to start for us and I think our fans talk about him becoming world class like it's inevitable when I don't think he will.
Not sure he would want to be a sub when he clearly valued playing first team football even if it meant playing for relegation fodder
I will bet money on him playing more games for United in a season than he ever did at Burnley..
So what are his strengths as a defender? Any decent analysis?
It's ridiculous at times. I'm a big supporter of promoting youth myself but it's not like Keane is an unknown quantity to us and we've not had the privilege of watching him play. He is almost 25 and decent but we need more.
In a season where José has complained about injuries and fatigue, I'll not be surprised at him buying players for the sake of numbers. Off the top of my head, Marin, Baba, Salah, Papy, Sidwell, Hector, the last 3 just being the most ridiculous of the lot.
He's good player but we need to gunning for better players. 2 cups cannot paper over the cracks, we finished 6th
With the systems we play, the biggest problems we have with defence is having people fit enough consistently and being reliable enough to play the majority of the games.
We dont leak goals
Getting a body in like Keane would be a positive if it goes through. He would know what it means to play for us and you would probably get close to ten years out of him without him wishing to move to a sunny climate, or a different league or something. (also providing there isnt a big long term freak injury that occurs).
But yea, seems like we paid Burnley 5-6m a year to basically help improve him and get him ready.
We dont leak goals
Getting a body in like Keane would be a positive if it goes through. He would know what it means to play for us and you would probably get close to ten years out of him without him wishing to move to a sunny climate, or a different league or something. (also providing there isnt a big long term freak injury that occurs).
But yea, seems like we paid Burnley 5-6m a year to basically help improve him and get him ready.
You may be onto something there. As long as we have the players in before pre season thats all that matters. Forget the press. They have us trying to sign everybody. when we dont and they go elsewhere we have been snubbed. Who knows who is on the list apart from the two that matters.
I like that way of looking at it: he van be like a modern day Wes Brown or John OShea.
The cost is a separate issue but he would never have developed into the player he became had he stayed at the club. Our problem, not his.
Honestly not a fan of this at all.
Keane is no improvement over Smalling and Jones.
We can afford anyone and we sign Michael fecking Keane. I don't understand it.
Keane is no improvement over Smalling and Jones.
We can afford anyone and we sign Michael fecking Keane. I don't understand it.
He's played 90 games for them since he signed 2 years ago...
I mean he can stay fit. Smalling could be Maldini but who cares, he's never available. We need players that are ready to play.
No no no
My only problem with Keane is that we have 4 of him already and only Blind as contrast. While I like Blind he is just not a top drawer centre half. Bloody good player n all that but square peg because he is that good to adapt. I would keep him and make sure he gets 30 games a season. Not a bad lad to have around at all. But back to Keane, he is just not in the same class as VVD and im not sure we will get VVD but he is the one we need to come. He looks the real deal.
He might be an upgrade on some but not on Rojo or Bailly. So unless its 2 in and 2 out i'd prefer another or something like that.
My only problem with Keane is that we have 4 of him already and only Blind as contrast. While I like Blind he is just not a top drawer centre half. Bloody good player n all that but square peg because he is that good to adapt. I would keep him and make sure he gets 30 games a season. Not a bad lad to have around at all. But back to Keane, he is just not in the same class as VVD and im not sure we will get VVD but he is the one we need to come. He looks the real deal.
He might be an upgrade on some but not on Rojo or Bailly. So unless its 2 in and 2 out i'd prefer another or something like that.
As a backup for Bailly it would be a decent buy, but i doubt he would join us to sit on the bench.
I would prefer that we go for a natural LCB. We already have 3 natural RCB's in Smalling, Jones and Bailly. van Dijk would be nice, but it seems many clubs are in for him.
I would prefer that we go for a natural LCB. We already have 3 natural RCB's in Smalling, Jones and Bailly. van Dijk would be nice, but it seems many clubs are in for him.
Smalling will never be Maldini
Maybe on the PlayStation.You would think they would know that, but nope.
No, we shouldn't sign him because he's not one of the best CBs in the world right now.
Cause that's a realistic transfer policy to have.
Cause that's a realistic transfer policy to have.
Last time I watched him play 90 Lukaku made mince meat out of him.
That's what I mean. He could be Messi, it doesn't mean shit if your always injuredSmalling will never be Maldini
Who, Keane?
Based on that 10 second clip and his around the world technique, I want.
We can get away with more ball playing defenders, the way Mourinho sets up his team. Imagine Baily and Blind/Keane actually trying to pass their way out from the back and breaking through that 1st press/opening up the opposition inbetween the lines
I would take either one of Ajax's two starting centrebacks from the EL final rather than him to be honest, and would probably be cheaper too
Davinson Sanchez won't be cheaper, and De Ligt won't move yet. We actually already tried to sign De Ligt last year when he was 16.
Keane is presumably a bit more developed than the other two. Perhaps they might go on loan next year.
That's easily solved, we'll just buy them both
He will get that at United.. How many games did United play this season 60+. He will get more than 40 games if he stays fit.
Smalling's played 91 games over the last two seasons. Those aren't the numbers of someone who is never available.
LOL at Michael Keane being a 'dominant'
Its mental, mate.
I've said before, if there was a 25yr old Dutch lad playing CB for Burnley with the same stats who'd come through the Vitesse Arnhem academy - how many fans on here would wnat him?
And how many would say "decent player but nowhere near the level we should be aiming for. He is no better than what we have, probably worse."
I'd say the majority.
We're aiming to sign another Jonny Evans basically. Decent on the ball, physically weak, easily bullied, and a bit timid. Evans was a superior player, though.
Oh well, have to get behind him as it looks likely he'll be coming but I'd bet a lot of money we seriously regret spending 25million here.
Its mental, mate.
I've said before, if there was a 25yr old Dutch lad playing CB for Burnley with the same stats who'd come through the Vitesse Arnhem academy - how many fans on here would wnat him?
And how many would say "decent player but nowhere near the level we should be aiming for. He is no better than what we have, probably worse."
I'd say the majority.
We're aiming to sign another Jonny Evans basically. Decent on the ball, physically weak, easily bullied, and a bit timid. Evans was a superior player, though.
Oh well, have to get behind him as it looks likely he'll be coming but I'd bet a lot of money we seriously regret spending 25million here.
Based on that 10 second clip and his around the world technique, I want.
We can get away with more ball playing defenders, the way Mourinho sets up his team. Imagine Baily and Blind/Keane actually trying to pass their way out from the back and breaking through that 1st press/opening up the opposition inbetween the lines
His all around the world technique is a bit awful tbh
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