[Footyislife]

My thing is, couldn't care less if we're rinsing other teams players.... They're all cnuts. But some of you lot seem to enjoy rinsing ours and it doesn't make sense to me unless it's a player that's turned out to be a wrong un.

We are supposed to be the 12th man but we're trying to be the 12th man for the oppo, the match day thread is a madness...

I get it I'm getting old football is emotion blah blah... Just feels shit and the end result with players looking a shambles and shook is pretty predictable and detrimental.

Anyway continue....

You're so wrong. The irony is we're actually trying to be the 12th man. Playing Rashford at LW is probably worse than playing 10 v 11 cause he just doesn't press. This is no different than CR7 2.0 situation or the countless players SAF got rid of when they refused to play hard/within role for the team.

Our issue is we have a media that's so biased against us that it's protecting a player that's like cancer to our team. Ralf and Jose have tried to get rid of Rashford but as per my previous comments we've made some foolish decisions prioritizing commercial importance over football results (which is silly cause long term finance is tied to football results). Rashford is far worse of a player than the likes of CR7, Beckham, Ince, Rudd who we've let go. It's scary but letting go of players who are past their best allows you to develop younger stars. As we saw last couple game's Garnacho, Diallo are far better than Rashford and we need to bring another 1-2 youngsters in. Selling/pushing Rashford out would accelerate that process.

To quote a talented artist "Thank You, Next!" (RASHFORD)

 

[CallyRed]

He's in bad form for sure. Shame that form has lasted for 2 years.

 

[Shark]

He's in bad form for sure. Shame that form has lasted for 2 years.

The question is, when will everyone come to terms that he's finished? Seems to be a longer process than anyone else would be afforded. Rather it's his body, or desire to even play football anymore, he looks shot.

 

[CallyRed]

The question is, when will everyone come to terms that he's finished? Seems to be a longer process than anyone else would be afforded. Rather it's his body, or desire to even play football anymore, he looks shot.

He needs to leave for sure. It might reignite his interest in football or he might think it's not for him anymore and decides to pack it in.
It will be the best solution for everyone.

 

[Leethal]

Woeful.

If Amorim has any aspirations for longevity as a Manager, he’d do well to feck this guy off to the highest bidder. Or any bidder.

He just doesn’t look arsed. And shit-housing out of a 50/50 that Leicester end up counter attacking off, is just standard Rashford.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Hope Amorim sells him. You can’t have a player earning 300K per week playing as badly as he has done for the last year and a half. And the season before 22/23 as well. All these 200K plus per week earners need go if they’re not justifying it on the pitch

 

[spwd]

Can't be blaming online comments for why Rashford has been rubbish for most of the last 3 years surely?

If that is true then it really will be better for both parties for him to move on next summer.

If that's true he should really consider quitting football because it's not going to get any prettier from the fans of lower clubs.

He's had plenty of time to turn it around and gets paid a ridiculous amount of money but every time is the same old shit. Roughly 2 or 3 games he tries but then it's back to not bothering again.
And even worse is he can't be arsed to do it for a legend like Ruud and anybody else in any job in the world would at least try to put some effort in and he knows the new coach is obviously watching and he still can't be arsed.

It's been said god knows how many times in here but every utd fan would give him some leeway for his shit form if they could see him trying. But we don't do we?

 

[Marcus]

If he would just go down the wings and do cutbacks with his left foot, he would create uncertainty in the minds of defenders and give him a better chance to later try to shoot with his right foot. He seems so predictable at the moment, it is painful to watch. Surely, Amorim will not tolerate this sort of inflexibility since cutbacks seem to be Sporting's way of creating goal scoring chances. I think he will get one game as a clean slate and then be subbed off early if he fails to deliver and change.

 

[Malone_Post]

Absolute waste of space.

All he’s doing at this point is stealing minutes from Amad & Garnacho.

Two players who always leave everything they have out on the pitch. The same can not be said for Marcus.

 

[ScholesBrain]

He was better a couple games ago..

shame he has returned to his usual lazy version

 

[MinGin]

I mean to be fair to him how many of us have been?

I really think the most obvious thing about him is he's lacking confidence and has been for a year and a half and like many players has been used weirdly by ten Hag. He has 6 months to save his United career, and I'm not sure many would back him to do it.

I think he is not only lacking confidence...he is losing his pace too (maybe back injury still cause him a lot)..But he has less technical ability without pace..
Including his unmotivated attitude, poor work rate and inconsistent form..
I think he is done...

Today we can see the big different when you have a winger who can track back when losing the ball and another winger who don't do that..

 

[Abhinav]

He is 27, out of form since beginning of last season, and doesn’t seen motivated to do the basics. Need to sell him if we can, even at a lower valuation, else we will be stuck with a high earning player that cannot be played.

No longer ‘young and learnin’.

 

[julianfr]

Until we can get a couple more wide players to rotate or compete with Amad and Garnacho I can't see us letting him go. Those 2 are still young and can't be run into the ground game after game.

That said, I certainly hope Rashford finds some impetus under Amorim and kicks on. Some part of me feels like there's still some gas left in the tank and we're long overdue a run of good form.

 

[Red_toad]

Hope Amorim sells him. You can’t have a player earning 300K per week playing as badly as he has done for the last year and a half. And the season before 22/23 as well. All these 200K plus per week earners need go if they’re not justifying it on the pitch

Sell him to whom? Keep seeing such posts and seems to be zero thought going into them. Who’d buy 2024 Rashford and then pay him 200 odd k a week?

 

[In Absentia]

He is 27, out of form since beginning of last season, and doesn’t seen motivated to do the basics. Need to sell him if we can, even at a lower valuation, else we will be stuck with a high earning player that cannot be played.

No longer ‘young and learnin’.

I don't think he's 'learnt' anything since he came through, though. Is there a thing that he's better at than he was then? He's undoubtedly worse at the stuff he was good at. He's just horribly limited, and you expect him to do awful things like that bursting run off the pitch yesterday. I hope to feck we can get him out of the club under Amorim, but it's hard to see how we'd do it.

 

[Borys]

One thing that concerns me, why nobody gives him a yell on the pitch. Be that Bruno, De Ligt / Martinez or anyone else?
I'd hate to play with someone like that shows so little effort, it would boil my piss.

I'd love to see him playing with Keane on the pitch. That could be first ever case of a red card for slapping a teammate.

 

[Camilo]

I've said it before - he's slow, he's weak, he doesn't work and he's predictable. He isn't a neat and technical player, nor is he an Mbappe style explosive one.

If he was banging in the goals none of this would matter, but he's never in position for the easy finish, and his only real attempts seem to be from cutting onto his right foot outside the box.

If he hasn't found something by the end of the season, he has to be forced out surely?

 

[JBG]

Sell him to whom? Keep seeing such posts and seems to be zero thought going into them. Who’d buy 2024 Rashford and then pay him 200 odd k a week?

I truly believe that he's still highly rated by European top clubs, for some reason. Maybe they think that 30+ goal season is his norm(but we know it really isn't).

 

[Pughnichi]

At thi point he doesn’t even deserve the bench.

 

[UpWithRivers]

Might be better off better off playing Antony.

 

[Malons]

I don't think he's 'learnt' anything since he came through, though. Is there a thing that he's better at than he was then? He's undoubtedly worse at the stuff he was good at. He's just horribly limited, and you expect him to do awful things like that bursting run off the pitch yesterday. I hope to feck we can get him out of the club under Amorim, but it's hard to see how we'd do it.

This is the point. What has improved in his game 400 matches on? Absolutely nothing. I think it's quite impressive by itself that. Not sure how that's even possible for someone to have gone backwards from the starting point of his debut.

 

[NotChatGPT]

Nah it's more that I don't think it helps... not surprised the nuance eludes some of you

He gets just as much love and support online as he gets abuse. Every social media post is full of both worlds, which is exactly what you get online and it’s exactly what him and most other famous players are getting and what they’ve been getting for years and years now.

There’s no big shift in either direction towards Rashford, it’s not as if he wasn’t getting shit online when he went on that freakish scoring streak about two years ago.

It’s just such a lazy take, has little to do with nuance, where you make a claim that you have no grounds to make and pretend that the negative comments online are having a detrimental effect on players

 

[Adisa]

Can’t believe of these “fear of backlash, lack of support” etc posts. Our fans are one of the most patient among top clubs. I will never condone abuse but look at what Barca and Madrid players go through when the fans get on their backs.

He’s playing for one of the world’s biggest clubs. If he can’t deal with the pressure of playing for the club, he needs to leave.

He’s had one good season in the last 4 or 5. It’s not acceptable.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

My thing is, couldn't care less if we're rinsing other teams players.... They're all cnuts. But some of you lot seem to enjoy rinsing ours and it doesn't make sense to me unless it's a player that's turned out to be a wrong un.

We are supposed to be the 12th man but we're trying to be the 12th man for the oppo, the match day thread is a madness...

I get it I'm getting old football is emotion blah blah... Just feels shit and the end result with players looking a shambles and shook is pretty predictable and detrimental.

Anyway continue....

The idea that the “12th man” stuff could ever refer to a load of muppets mashing keyboards and venting their spleens online is one of the weirdest takes I’ve read on here. That phrase was only ever meant to be used in the context of match-going fans. Who, as I said, have shown Rashford more patience, love and support than he would get at basically every other club on the planet. Despite him doing almost nothing on the pitch to deserve that support for a crazily long period of time.

 

[PaulRich]

Sadly he was always a bit one dimensional and that was sussed out two or three seasons back. Couple that to the work ethic of a Mexican village on a bank holiday and you have what you have which is a long way from what we want or need.

 

[MinGin]

Until we can get a couple more wide players to rotate or compete with Amad and Garnacho I can't see us letting him go. Those 2 are still young and can't be run into the ground game after game.

That said, I certainly hope Rashford finds some impetus under Amorim and kicks on. Some part of me feels like there's still some gas left in the tank and we're long overdue a run of good form.

Will it be a good environment when other teammates are watching someone making 350k weekly salary but cannot run, pass, shoot, defence, lose the ball anytime on the pitch almost every matches?

 

[Malons]

Will it be a good environment when other teammates are watching someone making 350k weekly salary but cannot run, pass, shoot, defence, lose the ball anytime on the pitch almost every matches?

This is what gets me, he's playing for the club he supports and supposedly loves that's paying him astronomical wages and we're here talking about how we hope he finds the impetus, motivation or an ounce of give-a-feck.

St Marcus of Manchester, please bless us with effort.

Meanwhile a cutting Tweet sent in 2019 justified running the ball of the pitch last night because "nuance".

Anyone who thinks this guy is close to a top level football are not serious people.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Sell him to whom? Keep seeing such posts and seems to be zero thought going into them. Who’d buy 2024 Rashford and then pay him 200 odd k a week?

Pay part of his wages. Or loan with obligation to buy

 

[afrocentricity]

The idea that the “12th man” stuff could ever refer to a load of muppets mashing keyboards and venting their spleens online is one of the weirdest takes I’ve read on here. That phrase was only ever meant to be used in the context of match-going fans. Who, as I said, have shown Rashford more patience, love and support than he would get at basically every other club on the planet. Despite him doing almost nothing on the pitch to deserve that support for a crazily long period of time.

Arguing for the sake of it again PM? My 12th man comment refers to a global fanbase not just redcafe.... and for players that clearly spend a lot of their time on social media, it's an extension of the match going fans, and they don't seem to be able to draw enough of a distinction....

All you guys arguing that you should be able to rinse your own players are just making excuses as to why you feel you should be able to. But I'm not actually saying you cant, I'm just calling you out on it, and asking who it helps? ...not my fault it makes some of you uncomfortable

You (to whom it applies) are moany cnuts and you make this place tedious to frequent.... it is what it is

 

[Jock Steins Boots]

My thing is, couldn't care less if we're rinsing other teams players.... They're all cnuts. But some of you lot seem to enjoy rinsing ours and it doesn't make sense to me unless it's a player that's turned out to be a wrong un.

We are supposed to be the 12th man but we're trying to be the 12th man for the oppo, the match day thread is a madness...

I get it I'm getting old football is emotion blah blah... Just feels shit and the end result with players looking a shambles and shook is pretty predictable and detrimental.

Anyway continue....

There's a difference between rinsing players just for the sake of it and rinsing players because they're playing shite and Rashford falls into the later.

I would argue that you as the "12th man" is part of the problem, if you believe we should get behind every player no matter what. He's earning 300k a week to be the very best he can be and he hasn't been for years. Are you suggesting we just turn a blind eye to it? Carry on letting him off the hook for dire performances because he got a nice smile and gives sandwiches to kids?

I admire your camaraderie, but this isn't Game of Thrones. We don't have hordes of game changing Dolthraki and Unsullied on the bench to take his place and just let him blend in.
He's meant to be the John Snow of wingers, not fekin Samwell Tarly.

 

[afrocentricity]

There's a difference between rinsing players just for the sake of it and rinsing players because they're playing shite and Rashford falls into the later.

I would argue that you as the "12th man" is part of the problem, if you believe we should get behind every player no matter what. He's earning 300k a week to be the very best he can be and he hasn't been for years. Are you suggesting we just turn a blind eye to it? Carry on letting him off the hook for dire performances because he got a nice smile and gives sandwiches to kids?

I admire your camaraderie, but this isn't Game of Thrones. We don't have hordes of game changing Dolthraki and Unsullied on the bench to take his place and just let him blend in.
He's meant to be the John Snow of wingers, not fekin Samwell Tarly.

You're new here but I've been saying the same shit since the days of Brown and O'Shea - we are all different and see things differently, and thats ok.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Arguing for the sake of it again PM? My 12th man comment refers to a global fanbase not just redcafe.... and for players that clearly spend a lot of their time on social media, it's an extension of the match going fans, and they don't seem to be able to draw enough of a distinction....

All you guys arguing that you should be able to rinse your own players are just making excuses as to why you feel you should be able to. But I'm not actually saying you cant, I'm just calling you out on it, and asking who it helps? ...not my fault it makes some of you uncomfortable

You (to whom it applies) are moany cnuts and you make this place tedious to frequent.... it is what it is

I’m honestly confused about what you’re asking for here? We’re not allowed to call out footballers that are playing badly, on a forum dedicated to discussing football? Do you have any idea how dull this place would be if everyone followed your rules?

Having a targetted go at players individually is different. Either in person or online. Whether that’s comments on their Instagram feed or queuing up outside OT to film yourself telling them that they’re shit. I do think that anyone who does this is an asshole. I’m with you on that one. Although I also think the sort of player we need to be a successful club will have the mental strength to perform on the pitch despite assholes being assholes. And assholes being assholes is nothing new. Beckham is a great example of someone who used contempt from his own fans to inspire himself to the best football of his career.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Arguing for the sake of it again PM? My 12th man comment refers to a global fanbase not just redcafe.... and for players that clearly spend a lot of their time on social media, it's an extension of the match going fans, and they don't seem to be able to draw enough of a distinction....

All you guys arguing that you should be able to rinse your own players are just making excuses as to why you feel you should be able to. But I'm not actually saying you cant, I'm just calling you out on it, and asking who it helps? ...not my fault it makes some of you uncomfortable

You (to whom it applies) are moany cnuts and you make this place tedious to frequent.... it is what it is

You seem to have an issue with the entire concept of football forums and the entire internet as a whole. In your nearly 20 years on Redcafe have you never criticised a Utd player or manager?

In the pub after a match where Rashford has more than likely played badly and someone in the pub was saying Rashford was rubbish today would you be leaning over to him in the pub and giving him the " we're supposed to be the 12th man" spiel?

Rashford is supposed to be our main man and he's heading towards a 3rd disaster season in the last 4 years. The idea that fans shouldn't be able to point that out is mad!

 

[afrocentricity]

I'm talking specifically about the excessively moany cnuts, I assume the guys quoting me think I'm talking about them....

If this uncontroversial take is triggering you maybe ask yourself why you want to die on this hill? and tbf if you find yourself defending this over several posts then yes you probably are one of the people I'm referring to - as most posters ignore my point and move on

 

[BarstoolProphet]

I'm talking specifically about the excessive moany cnuts, I assume the guys quoting me think I'm talking about them....

If this uncontroversial take is triggering you maybe ask yourself why you want to die on this hill

Or maybe ask yourself why you want to die on this hill? After all you are the one shifting goalposts all the time and never really explain what you exactly mean, instead giving subtle hints. Also your arguments are really poor in general, especially the 12th man thing (which in itself is a diffuse concept), when that refererence has exclusively been attributed to matchgoing fans. Seems to me that most, if not all, are disagreeing with you here, and your response is by hinting that those are moany cnuts.

 

[clarkydaz]

You seem to have an issue with the entire concept of football forums and the entire internet as a whole. In your nearly 20 years on Redcafe have you never criticised a Utd player or manager?

In the pub after a match where Rashford has more than likely played badly and someone in the pub was saying Rashford was rubbish today would you be leaning over to him in the pub and giving him the " we're supposed to be the 12th man" spiel?

Rashford is supposed to be our main man and he's heading towards a 3rd disaster season in the last 4 years. The idea that fans shouldn't be able to point that out is mad!

 

[Woodywizz]

It’s great that Marcus has become the new Tony Marshall. Won’t be long before he’s wearing gloves in every match.

 

[afrocentricity]

Or maybe ask yourself why you want to die on this hill? After all you are the one shifting goalposts all the time and never really explain what you exactly mean, instead giving subtle hints. Also your arguments are really poor in general, especially the 12th man thing (which in itself is a diffuse concept), when that refererence has exclusively been attributed to matchgoing fans. Seems to me that most, if not all, are disagreeing with you here, and your response is by hinting that those are moany cnuts.

Is their anything wrong with the hill I've chosen? as opposed to being a negative cnut and getting touchy when a random person online criticises you for it?

I think Nacho can be criticised on aspects of his game, my point is never against legit criticism (Rashford for example). It's that some of you go too far - its the internet of course you do, and from time to time I'll say something about it...

Applies here

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Is their anything wrong with the hill I've chosen? as opposed to being a negative cnut and getting touchy when a random person online criticises you for it?

Yeah, what kind of weak willed sap would get all touchy when a random person online criticises them?

Wait… you’re not talking about Rashford here, are you?

 

[The holy trinity 68]

Not good enough, tbh Antony deserves more minutes especially if Rashford can be so bad and continue to start. At least Antony works hard and puts in a shift. Rashford should be behind him in the pecking order for now. If he doesn't work for his spot then he needs to be sold.