[harms]

I wouldn't call that a big chance. Big chances are what Garnacho regularly squanders. Marcus actually caught that cross quite well anf was unlucky not to score as he hit the cross bar. He got one chance and very nearly took it, yet gets subbed every game so a 20yr old winger can stay on the pitch and basically prevent us from scoring more goals.

Rashford has 1 big chance missed in 10 PL games this seasons, Garnacho should have about 10 so far. Yet Garnacho completes 90mins every game, refuses to pass whenever we're in good attacking positions and shoots at will. Now if you're Rashford getting shifted to the RW so Garnacho can act like a superstar, how would you view that? I'm actually surprised that some fans are so critical of Rashford's body language because he's genuinely being sidelined in favor of a winger with barely 20 career goals and its costing the team goals and points.

I think I’d agree with Lampard that he wasn’t really unlucky that he hit the bar. The technique was totally wrong in that shot, if anything, he got lucky that it even managed to hit the bar. Of course, we wouldn’t have been talking about luck had it gone in but still, it’s the technical issue, not a luck issue, that lead to that miss.

And Rashford’s attitude issues way predate Garnacho’s emergence. Unless he saw it coming when the latter was still playing for our academy and decided to swiftly take action?

 

[Lentwood]

We know now don't we conclusively that his actual level is bottom half / mid-table PL winger / wide forward and those three spells that have made his name where nothing more than short purple patches.

There's no point debating it any more, if we have ambitions to achieve anything he can't be starting games.

 

[Malons]

I think I’d agree with Lampard that he wasn’t really unlucky that he hit the bar. The technique was totally wrong in that shot, if anything, he got lucky that it even managed to hit the post. Of course, we wouldn’t have been talking about luck had it gone it but still, it’s the technical issue, not a luck issue, that lead to that miss.

And Rashford’s attitude issues way predate Garnacho’s emergence. Unless he was it coming when the latter was still playing for our academy and decided to swiftly take action?

He's a visionary is our Marcus. Last night's sulk was actually a protest against being dropped for a fixture next April

 

[spwd]

Does Rashford (and probably others) have a minimum playing time, or X number of starts clause in his contract. I've heard it speculated a lot.

I could perhaps understand this but if anything he doesn't look like he wants to play half the time so it's perhaps backfired on him.

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

Who speculated, and who are you expecting to refute it? Has there ever been any actual evidence that United have included such a clause in a contract for any other player ever?

Speculated by fans, last season when he was stinking up the joint week after week and barely ever dropped or even taken off.

It could be bullshit, but I certainly wouldn't rule it out as a possibility, the way this club has been run for the last 10 years.

 

[ScholesBrain]

I think I’d agree with Lampard that he wasn’t really unlucky that he hit the bar. The technique was totally wrong in that shot, if anything, he got lucky that it even managed to hit the post. Of course, we wouldn’t have been talking about luck had it gone it but still, it’s the technical issue, not a luck issue, that lead to that miss.

And Rashford’s attitude issues way predate Garnacho’s emergence. Unless he saw it coming when the latter was still playing for our academy and decided to swiftly take action?

I think our players are too obsessed with blasting the ball to the roof of the net. Him, Garna, Bruno are all usual culprits.

It is actually easier to score by aiming at the two bottom corners of the goal

 

[TempusFugit]

I think I’d agree with Lampard that he wasn’t really unlucky that he hit the bar. The technique was totally wrong in that shot, if anything, he got lucky that it even managed to hit the post. Of course, we wouldn’t have been talking about luck had it gone it but still, it’s the technical issue, not a luck issue, that lead to that miss.

And Rashford’s attitude issues way predate Garnacho’s emergence. Unless he saw it coming when the latter was still playing for our academy and decided to swiftly take action?

I've seen two pundits actually say that the chance Rashford got was actually fairly easy to score : Lampard and Scholes. Of course Rashford's ball striking isn't on their level, but Rashford is fairly good at that and we've seen it over the years. He has a good shot on him. Back on topic, imo that's a difficult chance for most players so Lampard and Scholes saying it was fairly easy doesn't really mean much.

I didn't see any attitude issues with Rashford yesterday. If anything he worked hard and actually did his defensive duties. What I've been saying is that his body language isn't great because let's face it, he's by far our most proven forward and arguably our best yet he always, always gets taken off by the hour mark. Garnacho plays on the LW, plays selfishly and misses a million chances yet completes every single 90 while Rashford is invariably the early sub no matter how he plays. I don't think it's a debate that we'd get more out of giving Rashford the "privileges" Garnacho currently has in the team.

Just to comment about Rashford's attitude issues I think the stress fracture + shoulder injury needing surgery was where it all went wrong for him. Since that injury he doesn't use his frame as much and avoids challenging for physical duels. His workrate decreased as well. This season he seems to be putting in the work for the team but things aren't clicking for him offensively. They won't anytime soon when he's always the first attacker off the pitch, it has to be frustrating for him. I hope Amorim is able to get more out of him, i don't agree with the narrative that he's past his peak or was never that good. He's still got it.

 

[Oranges038]

I think I’d agree with Lampard that he wasn’t really unlucky that he hit the bar. The technique was totally wrong in that shot, if anything, he got lucky that it even managed to hit the post. Of course, we wouldn’t have been talking about luck had it gone it but still, it’s the technical issue, not a luck issue, that lead to that miss.

And Rashford’s attitude issues way predate Garnacho’s emergence. Unless he saw it coming when the latter was still playing for our academy and decided to swiftly take action?

I thought he should have went across the keeper Shearer style, side foot guided into the far corner.

Instead he went for the Hollywood option, the move that has the least chance of coming off. But that's him all over.

 

[Hughes35]

Can't believe we didn't see him a year or so ago when his stock was high. I don't believe he will ever be good enough on a consistent basis.

 

[FootyGirl88]

We should be looking to get rid in the summer, he's 27 now he should be one of or most reliable and consistent players.

 

[Borussia Teeth]

You have google. Personally I think you're either paid to make this weird comment, are Marcus Rashford himself or closely related to him, or aren't really a United fan. Prove me wrong... You and the Rashford "fans" are the deluded ones if you think it's normal for a club thats focused on "winning it all" to pay a Forward who is OBJECTIVELY (THIS MEANS ITS A FACT NOT AN OPINION) worse than 80% of ALL other Wingers in the EPL over the last 5 years as a top 10 player in the league.

Mourinho and LVG have publically commented and warned managers about how United's focus on commercial vs football excellence makes it very hard for a manager to do their jobs and be successful. Jose publically called out Rashford/Martial/Shaw/Lingard as spoilt and lazy. That's not great company. Shaw's the best of the bunch and he's always hurt cause he doesn't take care of himself. Martial is in the Greek league and Lingard is in China? We need to get rid of the last 2 problem players that Jose warned us about if we want to have a shot at winning.

This is no different than what SAF had the balls to do clearing out the trash. That's what setup the culture that let him dominate for 26 years

I have been critical of Rashford over the years, I'm far from a fan. I'm not defending him here.

I've checked Google and can't find any quotes from any previous managers stating that their bosses (being Woodward, Judge, Murtough, Glazers etc.) had any say in team selection.

Please provide the source of this information

 

[Buster15]

We should be looking to get rid in the summer, he's 27 now he should be one of or most reliable and consistent players.

Good point. He has looked a bit better this season. But he is rarely a real threat.

 

[van Nistelrooy]

I wouldn't call that a big chance. Big chances are what Garnacho regularly squanders. Marcus actually caught that cross quite well anf was unlucky not to score as he hit the cross bar. He got one chance and very nearly took it, yet gets subbed every game so a 20yr old winger can stay on the pitch and basically prevent us from scoring more goals.

Rashford has 1 big chance missed in 10 PL games this seasons, Garnacho should have about 10 so far. Yet Garnacho completes 90mins every game, refuses to pass whenever we're in good attacking positions and shoots at will. Now if you're Rashford getting shifted to the RW so Garnacho can act like a superstar, how would you view that? I'm actually surprised that some fans are so critical of Rashford's body language because he's genuinely being sidelined in favor of a winger with barely 20 career goals and its costing the team goals and points.

Are you really defending Rashford with the same defence that he's been guilty of for years under ten Hag?

Up until recently, Rashford has always been the one playing 90 minutes and Garnacho was always the winger to be sacrificed ahead of him. The Old Trafford crowd were even booing Garnacho being subbed off on a number of occasions as everyone knew Rashford should be the one coming off.

Garnacho has been playing poorly and should be dropped, but with so few options it''s not so likely. Garnacho had a better chance in the second half which he messed up, but that shouldn't dilute the quality of the chance Rashford squandered. Hitting the crossbar is off target and it only clipped it going over, so it was a big miss on his favoured right foot. If you're a young lad like Garnacho, you can understand the selfishness and make him learn. Rashford was taught this, yet he is no longer a young upcoming player and should be doing better.

Rashford is a hit and hope merchant who has lost his pace. There really is no reason why he should be rebuilding the team with him in mind.

 

[Reapersoul20]

Garnacho has been playing better than Rashford recently, even though Garnacho has been playing shite. At least Garnacho somehow finds himself with chances to squander. Passing the ball to Rashford these days is passing it down a cul de sac of hope.

 

[VP89]

Garnacho has been playing better than Rashford recently, even though Garnacho has been playing shite. At least Garnacho somehow finds himself with chances to squander. Passing the ball to Rashford these days is passing it down a cul de sac of hope.

I dont know about this. I think Rashford is more threatening on the left, Garnacho is more adaptableon the right.

 

[Fallon d'Floor]

Since winning The League Cup:

22/23 season: 17 games, 5 goals
23/24 season: 43 games, 8 goals
24/25 season: 16 games, 4 goals

17 goals across his last 76 games (20 months).

 

[Born2Lose]

Since winning The League Cup:

22/23 season: 17 games, 5 goals
23/24 season: 43 games, 8 goals
24/25 season: 16 games, 4 goals

17 goals across his last 76 games (20 months).

Shocking but sadly unsurprising. Two penalties last year too.

I have it that he's scored 6 open play goals in his last 43 appearances in the PL.

That's less than 1 goal every 7 PL games.

 

[afrocentricity]

I trust the club to make the right call. Threads on here go off the deep end with very little nuance but at the end of the day it's all speculation and feelings....

 

[diawl_coch]

Shocking but sadly unsurprising. Two penalties last year too.

I have it that he's scored 6 open play goals in his last 43 appearances in the PL.

That's less than 1 goal every 7 PL games.

Personally I'd just play him a striker in rotation with RH.

 

[Swiss_Red89]

Is there a logical reason why he was switched to the right again right after the penalty situation? (Was 100% a pen, should have been given)
I really dont understand it.

 

[Strachan8]

Shocking but sadly unsurprising. Two penalties last year too.

I have it that he's scored 6 open play goals in his last 43 appearances in the PL.

That's less than 1 goal every 7 PL games.

Shocking numbers. It will soon be two years of abject performances. Hopefully Toney’s move to Saudi has set the precedent for English forwards and allows Marcus and the club to move on.

 

[jem]

You have google. Personally I think you're either paid to make this weird comment, are Marcus Rashford himself or closely related to him, or aren't really a United fan. Prove me wrong... You and the Rashford "fans" are the deluded ones if you think it's normal for a club thats focused on "winning it all" to pay a Forward who is OBJECTIVELY (THIS MEANS ITS A FACT NOT AN OPINION) worse than 80% of ALL other Wingers in the EPL over the last 5 years as a top 10 player in the league.

Mourinho and LVG have publically commented and warned managers about how United's focus on commercial vs football excellence makes it very hard for a manager to do their jobs and be successful. Jose publically called out Rashford/Martial/Shaw/Lingard as spoilt and lazy. That's not great company. Shaw's the best of the bunch and he's always hurt cause he doesn't take care of himself. Martial is in the Greek league and Lingard is in China? We need to get rid of the last 2 problem players that Jose warned us about if we want to have a shot at winning.

This is no different than what SAF had the balls to do clearing out the trash. That's what setup the culture that let him dominate for 26 years

Actually that’s pretty much the definition of an opinion.

 

[Doracle]

Is there a logical reason why he was switched to the right again right after the penalty situation? (Was 100% a pen, should have been given)
I really dont understand it.

Me neither. I thought we looked good with Rashford left and Garnacho right. Then they swapped and we looked less effective, so I just assumed that they’d switch back at half time but there was no change. The only thing I could think was he’d slightly injured himself sliding off the pitch and they felt it would be better for him to play right as a result but I couldn’t think why that would be.

 

[Posh Red]

Actually that’s pretty much the definition of an opinion.

Still waiting on that poster to share the quotes he referenced multiple times, from managers stating they were forced to pick certain players in the match day lineups against their will.

 

[Borussia Teeth]

Still waiting on that poster to share the quotes he referenced multiple times, from managers stating they were forced to pick certain players in the match day lineups against their will.

I'm also waiting for @Footyislife to provide quotes/sources but I think he's just a bullshitter tbh

 

[Lay]

Shocking but sadly unsurprising. Two penalties last year too.

I have it that he's scored 6 open play goals in his last 43 appearances in the PL.

That's less than 1 goal every 7 PL games.

Horrible stats. I'm not sure what's gone on with him but he doesn't seem to enjoy playing. I thought being dropped by England might give him some motivation but he's still the same player.

We should really try to sell him but I can't see it happening

 

[Strachan8]

Interesting discussion on Gab and Jules podcast about Son’s reaction to being substituted v Villa ie along the lines of at least we all know that Son doesn’t read or engage with the English media unlike a certain wide player from a team in the north of England. Jules stayed silent which says it all as he usually is he the first to defend a high profile player.

Until the club get rid of underperforming players who have undermined managers no sustainable progress will occur.

 

[elmo]

I've seen two pundits actually say that the chance Rashford got was actually fairly easy to score : Lampard and Scholes. Of course Rashford's ball striking isn't on their level, but Rashford is fairly good at that and we've seen it over the years. He has a good shot on him. Back on topic, imo that's a difficult chance for most players so Lampard and Scholes saying it was fairly easy doesn't really mean much.

I didn't see any attitude issues with Rashford yesterday. If anything he worked hard and actually did his defensive duties. What I've been saying is that his body language isn't great because let's face it, he's by far our most proven forward and arguably our best yet he always, always gets taken off by the hour mark. Garnacho plays on the LW, plays selfishly and misses a million chances yet completes every single 90 while Rashford is invariably the early sub no matter how he plays. I don't think it's a debate that we'd get more out of giving Rashford the "privileges" Garnacho currently has in the team.

Just to comment about Rashford's attitude issues I think the stress fracture + shoulder injury needing surgery was where it all went wrong for him. Since that injury he doesn't use his frame as much and avoids challenging for physical duels. His workrate decreased as well. This season he seems to be putting in the work for the team but things aren't clicking for him offensively. They won't anytime soon when he's always the first attacker off the pitch, it has to be frustrating for him. I hope Amorim is able to get more out of him, i don't agree with the narrative that he's past his peak or was never that good. He's still got it.

I thought it was an easy finish actually. Getting to the end of the ball in the first place, now that’s the hard part.

 

[Doracle]

Come on guys. A first time volley from a cross coming across you is not an easy chance. If he’d crashed it into the top corner, rather than against the bar, it would have been in the goal of the month list. It was a decent chance and a decent effort.

 

[clarkydaz]

Interesting discussion on Gab and Jules podcast about Son’s reaction to being substituted v Villa ie along the lines of at least we all know that Son doesn’t read or engage with the English media unlike a certain wide player from a team in the north of England. Jules stayed silent which says it all as he usually is he the first to defend a high profile player.

Until the club get rid of underperforming players who have undermined managers no sustainable progress will occur.

how did Son react, what was their insinuation?

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

I dont know about this. I think Rashford is more threatening on the left, Garnacho is more adaptableon the right.

I think Garna is extremely ineffective on the right, Rashford is far better there, not that any of them are playing that good but that's the current issue, last game I think I saw Garna point the bench to switch and by 28th min he was on the left.

 

[Snow]

I thought it was an easy finish actually. Getting to the end of the ball in the first place, now that’s the hard part.

Much easier than Caicedo's shot at the very least.

 

[Strachan8]

how did Son react, what was their insinuation?

Frustrated at the time as didn't expect to be taken off but he will move on quickly from it ie he will not let this fester in the media

 

[JBG]

Much easier than Caicedo's shot at the very least.

If Caicedo tries that same shot in the next 10 matches, it's more likely to hit himself in the face rather than it go in. Just typical it went in against us.

 

[Footyislife]

I wouldn't call that a big chance. Big chances are what Garnacho regularly squanders. Marcus actually caught that cross quite well anf was unlucky not to score as he hit the cross bar. He got one chance and very nearly took it, yet gets subbed every game so a 20yr old winger can stay on the pitch and basically prevent us from scoring more goals.

Rashford has 1 big chance missed in 10 PL games this seasons, Garnacho should have about 10 so far. Yet Garnacho completes 90mins every game, refuses to pass whenever we're in good attacking positions and shoots at will. Now if you're Rashford getting shifted to the RW so Garnacho can act like a superstar, how would you view that? I'm actually surprised that some fans are so critical of Rashford's body language because he's genuinely being sidelined in favor of a winger with barely 20 career goals and its costing the team goals and points.

Delusions of the highest

Actually that’s pretty much the definition of an opinion.

Not really. An opinion would be me saying I think Jem doesn't know the definition of opinion. Facts would be Jem has shown in redcafe.net in 1/1 instances he doesn't understand what statistics are.

See the difference? My opinion would be Marcus Rashford is overrated and his body/work ethic doesn't along with a top EPL player. A fact would be that statistically Marcus Rashford is worse than 80% of wingers. There's no argument to be had here. It's not an opinion. JUST EMPERICAL fact. That's how the normal sensible people in the world live.

 

[Footyislife]

I'm also waiting for @Footyislife to provide quotes/sources but I think he's just a bullshitter tbh

Hold on let me just get the club insiders together to admit to their 600M fanbase that they don't really care about winning and only milking money. That should go well.

 

[izak]

Cash in on him, surely there inverted forwards that are creative forces in today's game we can go on and in as his replacement.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

I've watched him play last season and this season and it makes me feel like he is just a mid/average level player, but then his career numbers are superior to many players including someone like Diaz who's the same age as him, I don't watch Liverpool games except when they play us, and I checked Diaz numbers and it's not that impressive but this season his doing very well, and you gotta wonder, what's going on with Rashfor, he looks slow and sluggish, his shooting isn't as good as it used to be, doesn't work hard enough, basically lost whatever dribbling skills he had, his 2022-2023 season feels like it never happened!!

I think if he doesn't get better under Amorim, then the club should consider selling him, there will be takers for sure at 50m-70m.

 

[Apokalips]

Since winning The League Cup:

22/23 season: 17 games, 5 goals
23/24 season: 43 games, 8 goals
24/25 season: 16 games, 4 goals

17 goals across his last 76 games (20 months).

We need to stop making excuses for and accommodating such pathetic performances.

No forward with this level of performance should be a United regular unless they are a player like Iniesta whose magic goes beyond the simple statistical output.

 

[Leethal]

It’s a shame. He’s just such a polarising footballer. Fantastic highs, but horrendous lows. Unfortunately, his highs are fewer and farther between nowadays; and I believe he’s going to struggle to find a place in the squad under the new manager - who has zero affiliation to him.

It’s been said before, but I think it’s probably the best for all parties involved to move Marcus on. I just frankly cannot see him rediscovering a consistent level at this club. There’s a hell of a footballer in there; but the constant managerial change, I believe, has managed to prolong his stay and mask his inconsistency to some degree. All the managers that come in believe they can be the one to get the best out of Marcus, because as mentioned, there is a hell of a footballer in there. Whilst they may succeed and get the best out of him for a while, he inevitably returns to what we’re seeing right now.

Again. A shame.