Would be a ridiculous strategy, because it was touch and go that he would even get selected for England given his injury woes. Proper conspiracy theory stuff in here.
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https://www.skysports.com/amp/footb...uries-and-are-100-per-cent-fit-enough-to-play
I remember reading something along those lines in fairness. Had to go search for it now and only got this Sky comments from Rooney, albeit he’s just guessing and trying to deflect blame from the manager etc.
Ok after reading this post I actually suggest you do go back to posting about tin foil hats. I’ve taken you out of your comfort zone by suggesting an adult debate. My mistake.
I fully agree, this was pretty predictable.
I only judge what I see tbh, ETH has little credibility in my eyes
Right. If you're going to question the commitment of a player, it's hardly unreasonable to expect a better supporting argument than some vague sentiment about what some ex-footballers might have said about players in general.Luke Shaw has a history of injury problems. He has been one of our better performers in recent seasons when fit. It isn't in his interests to rule himself out of an entire season of club football when there is an international tournament on the horizon. He has already come out on social media denying the suggestions you're making. Do you really think he would've chosen not to play in the FA Cup final if there was any chance he could've been available to play in it?
If you're going to ignore all of that to peddle some conspiracy that he just doesn't want to play for United, I don't really know what kind of response you're expecting. I can't understand why anybody who purports to be a United fan would choose to buy into a theory with that level of toxicity when there is no evidence to support it.
Everything you say has already fallen apart. You think that you’re arguing about what I’ve said. But the problem is the things you seem to think I’ve said I haven’t actually said. 99% of your responses are you arguing against your own assumptions of what I meant.
Luke Shaw has a history of injury problems. He has been one of our better performers in recent seasons when fit. It isn't in his interests to rule himself out of an entire season of club football when there is an international tournament on the horizon. He has already come out on social media denying the suggestions you're making. Do you really think he would've chosen not to play in the FA Cup final if there was any chance he could've been available to play in it?
If you're going to ignore all of that to peddle some conspiracy that he just doesn't want to play for United, I don't really know what kind of response you're expecting. I can't understand why anybody who purports to be a United fan would choose to buy into a theory with that level of toxicity when there is no evidence to support it.
Glad you've realised how stupid your initial position was. Have a good one.
Wait...Let me get this straight...
You think he's faked injury for the last third of the season, missed a cup final and is still faking injury to miss any warm up friendlies to build his fitness and will probably miss the group games too?
Do you actually believe this or do you just dislike the player?
So why's he not played any friendlies? If he was perfectly fit then he'd be using them as a warm up. He almost certainly won't start the first game either. He's been picked purely because all the other options are shite.
You too. Enjoy playing with your crayons
Nope I don’t think he’s faked an injury
Ok...
So you think he's faked being unfit?
You seem to suggest that he doesn't want to play for United but he wants to go to the Euros.
You think he'd want to go to the Euros without any match sharpness or rhythm, miss all of the friendlies and possibly the group games? You think a professional footballer wouldn't be interested in playing in an FA cup final either?
You are blinded by your hatred.
I don’t hate any footballer. Doubt I ever will
And Shaw was one of my favourites at one point. But if you honestly think he’s done everything he can do to play for United in recent years then we’ll forever be at an impasse on the subject. I don’t know how anyone can think it.
How’d I guess you’d have nothing to offer
No point arguing with Mystic Meg
So Maguire was left out as he's injured and not certain to be playing in the group games.
Yet Shaw who has had a much worse injury, hasn't played in 6-7months, hasn't even been able to play a minute in any build up games is seen as safe to name in the 26 and as the only left back.
Bonkers
Yet Shaw who has had a much worse injury, hasn't played in 6-7months, hasn't even been able to play a minute in any build up games is seen as safe to name in the 26 and as the only left back.
Bonkers
Fit or unfit, one thing is for sure, he will probably injure himself playing for England during training or game not being quite ready for a challenge and will miss good part of the next season too. It's inevitable.
We need new left back.
We need new left back.
Yes and no.
I guess a lot of that is to do with alternative options. As you say, Shaw is the only LB in the squad - which I imagine says a lot about our limited alternatives there. And thus leads to a gamble on the fitness of the first choice.
Whereas there were other good options to Maguire at CB, so probably less of a need to gamble on his fitness.
From a United point of view I'd have obviously much preferred to see Shaw resting and fully recovering instead of risking further injury. But I can understand the gamble from his and England's viewpoint.
You spout all of this patronising bollocks and have the cheek to criticise the points of others?How’d I guess you’d have nothing to offer
It seems you don't think he 'faked an injury', but missed the start of the season because he couldn't be arsed to get fit. Then he came back for a few games before getting injured then deciding he couldn't be arsed to play the rest of the season and FA Cup final.
Now he presumably can't be arsed to get fit for any England friendlies. Is he saving himself for the final if we get there?
What don’t you think he has done to make himself available?
Right because that makes sense…
I just want to know what you think he hasn't done so that he can be able to play.
Don't waste your time. He hasn't directly addressed any of the points I've made either. He just keeps doubling down with his vague, senseless conspiracy theories
Do you genuinely in your heart of heart believe he’d miss so many games if he had the mentality Bruno Fernandes has?
I’ll also commonly joke that Shaw will get an injury when United start getting pelted in the press. Then he does for real. Each and every single time.
Would like to be wrong. Don’t think I am.
I answered your post. Also “conspiracy theories” has become such a lazy thing on here. Basically means you disagree but can’t think why, so it’s easier for you this way. Nobody here has addressed what I’ve said is the truth.
What I truly believe in my heart is that unlike you I understand that injuries can happen to anyone and given that Shaw is quite an explosive athlete more likely to sustain muscle injuries, and that trying to compensate for injuries more often than not causes other injuries.
You could be right, you can’t prove it but then I can’t prove it’s not the case but seems wild to think that a professional athlete wouldn’t want to play.
I don’t like to believe it either but it’s something I read commonly. Rooney the most recent example, which Mitten (who I trust) backing up that what Rooney said was well sourced and not just speculation.
So unfortunately i believe it happens
Yes you answered my post but you failed to address the points I made about Shaw intentionally missing the FA Cup final as well as England's friendlies and group games, meaning he would have no match fitness or rhythm. Obviously this would be ridiculous going into a major tournament, even for a player that can't be arsed as you're assuming.
So, do you think Shaw can't be bothered to play for Utd and he also thinks international friendlies and group games are beneath him but he can waltz in for the knockouts after an extended period of no football? That's what you're suggesting. Ridiculous opinion!
This “ridiculous opinion” is just what you’re assuming though. As you’ve effectively stated yourself.
Me answering your assumptions is counterproductive. What have I actually typed that you disagree with?
Urgh FFS!
Post 1,117 you say that you 'knew he'd be fit for the Euros' and 'its glaringly obvious what he's doing.'
YOU are suggesting that Shaw is pretending to be injured/unfit. YOUR suggestion would mean Shaw intentionally missed the FA cup final, is missing the friendlies and is likely missing group games. These are not MY assumptions (they're YOURS) as I do not believe that Shaw is faking being injured/unfit.
And yes, your opinion is ridiculous, because if Shaw was faking being injured/unfit as you claim, he would have returned prior to the FA Cup final.
Calm down. It’s not that deep.
I never said Shaw was faking anything as I’ve already told you
I did predict he’d be at the Euros, but not United several months ago. Correct. And as time has shown, I was correct.
Do I believe that Shaw would have significantly more appearances for United if he had a stronger mentality and was desperate to play like Bruno is. Yes, absolutely.
Not every injury a player gets would be so long if he was desperate to get back imo. Like if a staff member kept having 2 weeks off every time they got ill. And always with different ailments. It’s not like it’s a recurring issue for Shaw.
“I felt something against Aston Villa and came off at half-time at Villa Park,” Shaw said. “It’s kind of everyone’s fault. Partly my fault, partly medical staff, I think everyone would admit that. I didn’t train the whole week. The scan came back and there wasn’t too much there. But I didn’t train all week, then trained the day before the game. If the manager asks me to play, I’m never going to say no. I shouldn’t have played."
I think people have seen that there was a setback, but I was actually very close to returning to team training. I was, of course, pushing to try and get back for the games and the final and I think I pushed too hard.
“I came back too quick and I actually ended up getting another injury in my hamstring, which was three weeks from the final and they said it was a six-week injury, so that’s why there was that setback. I think people have been getting confused with what’s actually happened because nothing had been said.
“I got a few people coming up to me, saying: ‘How can you not be fit for United but fit for England?’ But the circumstances were that I did push to do everything I can to be fit for United, and that’s been really my whole season. It’s been disappointing for me, but I want to do everything I can, first and foremost, for United.
“It’s better for me to come out and say what happened, because I think there were a lot of questions over how I could be here and not United. That’s been playing on my mind a little bit because I don’t want people thinking that that’s what I’m doing.”
I think people have seen that there was a setback, but I was actually very close to returning to team training. I was, of course, pushing to try and get back for the games and the final and I think I pushed too hard.
“I came back too quick and I actually ended up getting another injury in my hamstring, which was three weeks from the final and they said it was a six-week injury, so that’s why there was that setback. I think people have been getting confused with what’s actually happened because nothing had been said.
“I got a few people coming up to me, saying: ‘How can you not be fit for United but fit for England?’ But the circumstances were that I did push to do everything I can to be fit for United, and that’s been really my whole season. It’s been disappointing for me, but I want to do everything I can, first and foremost, for United.
“It’s better for me to come out and say what happened, because I think there were a lot of questions over how I could be here and not United. That’s been playing on my mind a little bit because I don’t want people thinking that that’s what I’m doing.”
The people in charge must ask Ten Hag about Shaw against Luton away.
Everyone could see he wasn't fit to play.
How many times has that happened with players??
Everyone could see he wasn't fit to play.
How many times has that happened with players??
Your prediction doesn't mean anything at all. Especially since he isn't really fit yet either. If England had any other leftbacks he wouldn't play.
And he clearly has a completely different bodytype than Fernandes. Sure, Fernandes is really good at playing through injury but he doesn't tend to get injured worse by doing it. Shaw does. It has a lot more to do with physical aspects than mental. If he had pushed himself like Fernandes has, who's to say if he would still be playing at the level he has been when fit the last seasons.
It was absolutely ridiculous to force a player with a spotty injury history to play with only 1 day training.
I think a lot of shaws injuries are in his head and could be to do with fear from the leg break, it’s been spoken about in the past how some players have the mentality to play through injuries where others shy away from it - this is what Rooney was alluding to not faking injuries or fitness but not pushing themselves through the barrier.
I think Shaw is held back by his own mind.
I think Shaw is held back by his own mind.
It honestly correlates to what I’ve heard from behind the scenes. That a lot of our fitness problems this year was down to training methodology and poor decision making in the rehabilitation phase. And unfortunately the buck stops with the manager on that one. He can’t be blamed for all the injuries, but from what I’ve heard the fitness regimes were the root cause of a lot of it. And the decision making on playing unfit players, compounded the issue.
And that’s a perfectly reasonable and understandable response which I can respect. Other posters can take note.
So he has said he had yet another set back due to attempting to rush back for the fa cup final, when will we learn
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