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2023-24 Performances

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Pickle85 said:
Doesn't the fact that they're not doing this tell you something...?
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Well I'd be very surprised if we don't go for a new LB next season which in turn will be the first step to phase Shaw out. That's hardly a vote of confidence towards him. But time will tell
 
kouroux said:
And miss out on the Euros ? Why would he do that to satisfy some fans who, in the grand scheme of things, don't matter at all ?
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It's not our view that is at stake but his future with united. As said Id be very surprised if we don't add another lb next season. According to rumours he won't be a backup type
 
devilish said:
It's not our view that is at stake but his future with united. As said Id be very surprised if we don't add another lb next season. According to rumours he won't be a backup type
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I want another LB too tbh cause Shaw's story at Man Utd needs to end (even if I rate him very highly when fit). Can't blame him for going to the Euros, a good tournament from him will benefit United
 
devilish said:
I understand the player's POV however you also have to understand the club's perspective as well. They had a horrible season where they had to live without a LB for an entire season. Their injury prone lb has now decided to go straight to the national team with barely any match fitness in his legs whatsoever. Will they be as accommodating to him if he picks an injury? Can you blame them if they question his commitment to their cause?

Id be very surprised if we don't sign a lb next season
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Obviously we should sign a left back since Malacia appears to be on a gap year and Shaw is injury prone. Even better if the new guy is as good or better than Shaw. Doesn't mean we should ship Shaw out or that he's not committed - we clearly don't have enough depth there as things stand.
 
Players that haven’t played for a season should not be picked for England whether you’re the best full back or not, full stop. Absolute joke to be picking him never mind if he swung the lead or not.
 
devilish said:
I understand the player's POV however you also have to understand the club's perspective as well. They had a horrible season where they had to live without a LB for an entire season. Their injury prone lb has now decided to go straight to the national team with barely any match fitness in his legs whatsoever. Will they be as accommodating to him if he picks an injury? Can you blame them if they question his commitment to their cause?

Id be very surprised if we don't sign a lb next season
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I think we will buy one as well but for the reason that Malacia was out for the whole season and I don't think he is good enough to fill in for Luke when required.
 
Bondi77 said:
I think we will buy one as well but for the reason that Malacia was out for the whole season and I don't think he is good enough to fill in for Luke when required.
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I believe we will go for a better player then a mere backup. Meanwhile we will send amass on loan. If he or/and malacia do well next season then Shaw will be phased out
 
devilish said:
I believe we will go for a better player then a mere backup. Meanwhile we will send amass on loan. If he or/and malacia do well next season then Shaw will be phased out
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I like the look of Harry but he is yet to play against men so we will have to see how he copes with that as he would have to excel quickly to stake any sort of claim in the first team squad.
Dalot will play at LB before Malacia but I hope he gets over his injury from last season as it must have been serious to miss a whole season.
 
Hughes35 said:
Yea, I agree. Weird people making out like he hasn't been injured. He's gained nothing by not playing recently.
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People are increasingly inventing scenarios in their heads and then angrily posting as if they’re true. One of them is now apparently Shaw pretending to be injured so he can make the Euros. Bizarre stuff.
 
What a bunch of weirdos. Blaming a great player for being injured. Utter oddballs.
 
fe33er said:
Players that haven’t played for a season should not be picked for England whether you’re the best full back or not, full stop. Absolute joke to be picking him never mind if he swung the lead or not.
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Have you seen the other left back options? Chilwell has been utter shite this year, I guess Konsa is an ok stand in in a pinch, but Southagte sent Branthwaite home and didn't even have a look at Kilman so...Shaw is your only left footed defender option. Personally I'd probably have picked Trent there as an inverted full back and had a left footer at LCB who drifts out to cover but if you're not doing that then stick it all on red and hope Shaw is ok.
 
devilish said:
I believe we will go for a better player then a mere backup. Meanwhile we will send amass on loan. If he or/and malacia do well next season then Shaw will be phased out
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If Shaw is fit next season the new Lb we buy will end up a back up anyway. There aren't many out there better than Shaw when he's fit. Obviously if Shaw has another injury hit campaign we'd be looking to move him on anyway regardless of who we buy this summer.
 
kouroux said:
I want another LB too tbh cause Shaw's story at Man Utd needs to end (even if I rate him very highly when fit). Can't blame him for going to the Euros, a good tournament from him will benefit United
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There's a chance that Shaw has a great EURO which in turn might land United a bid. However the chances of that happening is pretty small. I fear that he either doesn't play which in turn would disrupt his rehabilitation with United or worse still he ends up picking an injury with England. Both scenarios will hardly be beneficial to either United or himself.
 
TwoSheds said:
Have you seen the other left back options? Chilwell has been utter shite this year, I guess Konsa is an ok stand in in a pinch, but Southagte sent Branthwaite home and didn't even have a look at Kilman so...Shaw is your only left footed defender option. Personally I'd probably have picked Trent there as an inverted full back and had a left footer at LCB who drifts out to cover but if you're not doing that then stick it all on red and hope Shaw is ok.
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I just think you should earn your place by playing. And to top it off he’s injured. He shouldn’t be there by default because he was a good player 2 years ago. If Chilwell is all we have then so be it or change the formation.
 
Bondi77 said:
I like the look of Harry but he is yet to play against men so we will have to see how he copes with that as he would have to excel quickly to stake any sort of claim in the first team squad.
Dalot will play at LB before Malacia but I hope he gets over his injury from last season as it must have been serious to miss a whole season.
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I believe that Amass needs a year on loan. Its a shame that Lausanne got relegated again as that would be a good move for him (INEOS could make sure that he'll play week in week out). Regarding next season I can see United going for a first team LB. The club will take no chances especially since we can't closely monitor Luke Shaw's progression (ie Euros) and we can't afford spending another season without a LB. With INEOS busy slashing the wage bill, I very much doubt that there will be a lot of patience around an injury prone LB on 150k a week. That's the reason why I believe it would have been wise for Shaw to stick around Carrington and prove to them that he's still has what it takes to justify that salary.
 
Shaw has never fully recovered from that awful tacke against PSV. On his day he is the best left back in the world. Unfortunately he cannot do this week in week out. I would keep him and rotate him with young Amass. I think a right back is more important as I don't rate AWB and we have no food ones coming through the youth teams.
 
dutchred said:
Shaw has never fully recovered from that awful tacke against PSV. On his day he is the best left back in the world. Unfortunately he cannot do this week in week out. I would keep him and rotate him with young Amass. I think a right back is more important as I don't rate AWB and we have no food ones coming through the youth teams.
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I disagree, he came back and reach a world class level.
 
devilish said:
I believe that Amass needs a year on loan. Its a shame that Lausanne got relegated again as that would be a good move for him (INEOS could make sure that he'll play week in week out). Regarding next season I can see United going for a first team LB. The club will take no chances especially since we can't closely monitor Luke Shaw's progression (ie Euros) and we can't afford spending another season without a LB. With INEOS busy slashing the wage bill, I very much doubt that there will be a lot of patience around an injury prone LB on 150k a week. That's the reason why I believe it would have been wise for Shaw to stick around Carrington and prove to them that he's still has what it takes to justify that salary.
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There will be no one around Carrington....the season is over.
I am sure big Jim will be watching and supporting the campaign of England and hoping we can bring a bit of glory and pride back to the home of football and if our two representatives can contribute to that then it will be all the sweeter.
 
fe33er said:
Players that haven’t played for a season should not be picked for England whether you’re the best full back or not, full stop. Absolute joke to be picking him never mind if he swung the lead or not.
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He was mostly fit for a three month period in the middle of the season. It's obviously not great, but it's not like he missed the entire season.

Even so I'm sure he normally wouldn't get picked, but it's by far England's weakest position where there's barely any options. If Shaw can get fit and be in remotely decent form, he's easily England's best player there.
 
Bondi77 said:
There will be no one around Carrington....the season is over.
I am sure big Jim will be watching and supporting the campaign of England and hoping we can bring a bit of glory and pride back to the home of football and if our two representatives can contribute to that then it will be all the sweeter.
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I don't think that we'll shutting down Carrington during the Summer recess. Some players whose got injuries will still be there, players who hasn't been called for the Euros will return early etc. Shaw had just returned from injury. There would be a gentle path to full recovery. You can't have that at a major tournament were every game count.

Regarding Big Jim if you think that he'll put England ahead of his own business interests then think again. Shaw is ultimately a 20m-50m asset in a business that is struggling with FFP.
 
devilish said:
I don't think that we'll shutting down Carrington during the Summer recess. Some players whose got injuries will still be there, players who hasn't been called for the Euros will return early etc. Shaw had just returned from injury. There would be a gentle path to full recovery. You can't have that at a major tournament were every game count.

Regarding Big Jim if you think that he'll put England ahead of his own business interests then think again. Shaw is ultimately a 20m-50m asset in a business that is struggling with FFP.
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Don't underestimate national pride....it is a powerful thing.
 
Bondi77 said:
Don't underestimate national pride....it is a powerful thing.
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If he cared about that then following the Brexit he wanted, he would have returned to the UK and paid taxes there. Yet he is still in Monaco, despite Brexit and despite buying the club he supported since forever.

I am not criticising the guy. I am just saying that self made billionaires are wired differently to us. There's less room for emotional BS in them. Else we would all be like him.
 
devilish said:
If he cared about that then following the Brexit he wanted, he would have returned to the UK and paid taxes there. Yet he is still in Monaco, despite Brexit and despite buying the club he supported since forever.

I am not criticising the guy. I am just saying that self made billionaires are wired differently to us. There's less room for emotional BS in them. Else we would all be like him.
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Well, you clearly are criticising the guy. You've been anti him from the jump.

And are you seriously implying that the only thing that prevents us all from being billionaires is that there's more room for emotional BS in people that aren't?!
 
Pickle85 said:
Well, you clearly are criticising the guy. You've been anti him from the jump.

And are you seriously implying that the only thing that prevents us all from being billionaires is that there's more room for emotional BS in people that aren't?!
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I was only mentioning facts. Actually from a Man utd supporter perspective it's more of a praise really. SJR is a self made billionaire. God knows how much we need a person at ownership level that understand the value of each pound sterling given both in terms of fees and salaries. He'll expect to get performance and benefits out of every pound spent.That's something United have lacked of for a long long time.

And yes one of the main reasons why self made billionaires became so rich in the first place is because they are able to put sentimentality and emotion to the side and take the most sound decision from a business perspective. Now back to the subject.
 
devilish said:
I was only mentioning facts. Actually from a Man utd supporter perspective it's more of a praise really. SJR is a self made billionaire. God knows how much we need a person at ownership level that understand the value of each pound sterling given both in terms of fees and salaries. He'll expect to get performance and benefits out of every pound spent.That's something United have lacked of for a long long time.

And yes one of the main reasons why self made billionaires became so rich in the first place is because they are able to put sentimentality and emotion to the side and take the most sound decision from a business perspective. Now back to the subject.
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No, there's no way in which this is praise:

devilish said:
If he cared about that then following the Brexit he wanted, he would have returned to the UK and paid taxes there. Yet he is still in Monaco, despite Brexit and despite buying the club he supported since forever.
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Again, you have been anti SJR ever since it looked as though you wouldn't get your Qatari piggybank fantasy owner. At least try to be objective now that SJR is in though.
 
I’m probably making this up, but wasn’t there an article close to the end of the season questioning players’ commitments to getting fit versus trying to take it easy and relax to ensure they were fit for the euros? I’m not sure if it was about United, or just in general. Seem to recall it but my memory ain’t what it used to be. Probably making all that shite up in my own head.
 
Pickle85 said:
No, there's no way in which this is praise:


Again, you have been anti SJR ever since it looked as though you wouldn't get your Qatari piggybank fantasy owner. At least try to be objective now that SJR is in though.
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I think I had explained myself perfectly. If you want an argument regarding nonsense then please find someone else. I also suggest you check my posts regarding INEOS since the aquisition. As promised prior to it I was willing to give them a chance if they end up buying the club and I have since kept my word
 
Ish said:
I’m probably making this up, but wasn’t there an article close to the end of the season questioning players’ commitments to getting fit versus trying to take it easy and relax to ensure they were fit for the euros? I’m not sure if it was about United, or just in general. Seem to recall it but my memory ain’t what it used to be. Probably making all that shite up in my own head.
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Yeah, probably making it up...

Good subtle dig tbh and definitely not talked
 
Wibble said:
What a bunch of weirdos. Blaming a great player for being injured. Utter oddballs.
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It's completely bizarre. Using injury as an opportunity to snipe at one of our best players, as though he's intentionally missing games.

He likely won't start the tournament for England anyway.
 
Not sure why anyone is advocating for selling him as he's still a good player when fit and home grown. For me he just needs to be moved to backup LCB as a less explosive role due to his injury history and occasional LB with a younger more explosive LB brought in as first choice like Loko or Dorgu. Still a good squad option and not the quality of player we need to get rid of.
 
Red00012 said:
Give it a rest
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He’s right though isn’t he

I knew back in Jan/Feb that he’d go to the euros but not push himself to get fit for United. Did I simply predict some bollocks which just happened to become true. Or is it glaringly obvious what he’s up to?
 
LawCharltonBest said:
He’s right though isn’t he

I knew back in Jan/Feb that he’d go to the euros but not push himself to get fit for United. Did I simply predict some bollocks which just happened to become true. Or is it glaringly obvious what he’s up to?
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That tinfoil hat fits really well
 
CM said:
That tinfoil hat fits really well
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If you don’t think that some players declare themselves unfit for their clubs when they could play, and/or when they want to stay fit for their country (and vice versa) then I think you need to grow up

It’s a sentiment shared by reputable journalists and ex-pros. But sure, tin foil hat, because you have nothing clever to counter with
 
LawCharltonBest said:
If you don’t think that some players declare themselves unfit for their clubs when they could play, and/or when they want to stay fit for their country (and vice versa) then I think you need to grow up

It’s a sentiment shared by reputable journalists and ex-pros. But sure, tin foil hat, because you have nothing clever to counter with
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So you think a player who has had his career blighted by persistent injury has arbitrarily ruled himself out at the start of the season, returned, played a few games and then decided he doesn't actually fancy playing again this season? Because he's saving himself for Gareth Southgate?

All while his position remains vacated in the team, and he has decided to miss a cup final with his club because... reasons? Yeah, I'm the illogical one here.
 
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