Just get rid, he has been as available as Martial. We need to just let go of all these players that have stopped us from moving forward and can’t be relied upon
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I don't understand the confusion on him being fit now. It was always expected to be a rush to get him back for the cup final so this seems about right.
The reason he was ever a doubt for England was because of a lack of time to get match fit
The reason he was ever a doubt for England was because of a lack of time to get match fit
Goes to Euros, makes all the right noises about the new season to justify his ludicrous contract, gets injured again.
We even had Brandon Williams on £65k a week too. Disneyland indeed.
We even had Brandon Williams on £65k a week too. Disneyland indeed.
Yea, I agree. Weird people making out like he hasn't been injured. He's gained nothing by not playing recently.
Don't care how good Shaw is during the handful of games he is fit for per season, we need a new first choice left back. We can't continue going into new seasons knowing there are certain players who are completely unreliable and will almost certainly be missing for months
Bizarre isn’t it. I’m sure he definitely wanted to miss an FA Cup final and have zero match fitness before a tournament where he’ll need to play every four days.
I don’t think we’ll have much of a choice but to keep him given the wages and injury record. Personally I think he’d be better off learning to play centre back properly and focusing on that, his injury record is only going to get worse at left back.
It might depend how Amass is viewed internally. If he’s rated as a potential first team/international player then I don’t think it would be wise for us to spend big on a left back. If we think he’s at least two years away from first team football, we need to sign a left back.
We spent an entire season waiting for Shaw only for him to feck off to the Euros despite him not being match fit. Can you imagine how sir Alex would react to that? We are talking of a 150k a week players who was available for us less then martial was
If he is fit than all English fans should be happy as he is our best LB and all true Manchester United fans should be happy if he has a good tournament as it will be a bonus for next season.
The Martial comparison makes very little sense as Shaw is a much better player. Even if Martial was fit this season he would have barely features as he's almost useless now.
And it was widely reported how much he wanted to get back for the final and was working hard to do so.
Its a shame he didn't make it back in time for us, but if he's now fit enough to start training on grass and potentially play in a couple weeks time, then what is he supposed to do? Turn down the chance of winning the euros simply because he wasn't available last season? It makes no sense, and there's not a player on the planet who would do so.
Don't blame him for playing when he can and willing to trust he's not pulling the wool with the timing.
Difficult decision to make, part of me thinks that he should dedicate the summer to getting fit for Utd, but the other part thinks he probably doesn't have much longer in the game and if the timing is genuine you can't blame him for wanting to play what he can.
Difficult decision to make, part of me thinks that he should dedicate the summer to getting fit for Utd, but the other part thinks he probably doesn't have much longer in the game and if the timing is genuine you can't blame him for wanting to play what he can.
He should stay at Carrington and work on his fitness so he's available for next season. Someone should remind him whose paying his salary. SAF would most certainly would.
There was a time when United players would go through a brick wall for the badge. Now we've got players going to the Euros despite spending the entire season injured, players skipping training because they wanted to stay at the pub a teeny weeny longer, players arguing with the manager on twitter etc. Then we wonder why we're not winning anymore
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we're talking about availability here
Just confirming what most of us knew from the start
I think that United fans should be happy if he remained put and he built his fitness slowly therefore minimizing the risk of an injury. If you think that Southgate gives a feck about Shaw past the tournament then think again. If he has to choose between winning the Euros and having Shaw fit for us then he'll choose the former, every, single time.
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A serious administration would make sure that the time he's got left in the game is done somewhere else. He made his bed and he will now have to lay in it.
what happens if gets injured at the Euros ? 
what happens if gets injured at the Euros ?
I can see the club going after the FA for compensation
That makes no sense whatsoever.
How?
Kind of baffling that some want one of the few quality players we have be shown the door. Like there's at least 5 players I'd rather see go before Shaw. He's had an unfortunate season due to injuries, but he's still a quality player, who can play at least 2 positions in a crucial line for our team.
If we're getting rid of Shaw due to availability, we should also ditch Martinez, who's played one game less this season than Shaw, and two games less the previous one.
If we're getting rid of Shaw due to availability, we should also ditch Martinez, who's played one game less this season than Shaw, and two games less the previous one.
can you please explain yourself?
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But it's not like for like, as if Martial is available he's a peripheral player at best whereas if Shaw is available he's a starter and one of the best left backs in the league.
If he is fit to play then he is fit to play and it would be obvious he has not been twiddling his thumbs while he has not been playing for us but working to get back on the pitch.
I think it is fairly obvious that representative football is about the best players playing for their country in their best positions and Luke is the best LB we have and who are we to deprive him of that.
If on the other hand a true fan would rather our players do not represent their countries because of the chance of injury then that makes absolutely no sense to me.
I replied to someone else but its all there.
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- I was comparing Martial and Shaw's availability not talent. That's a different yardstick altogether.
- Shaw is a decent player but he's hardly an Irwin or an Evra let alone a Maldini. He can and quite frankly we should replace him
- We have no idea of how Shaw will return. Martial was a decent player as well up until he lost a yard of pace following injury. That can happen to Shaw as well.
- Availability is key in football. There's no point in having a Messi in the squad if he plays 4 games a year
Odd that people seem to think Shaw's injured because he's lazy/disloyal as opposed to just being injury prone. He's always been injury prone, is he supposed to will it out of existence? Paranoid mindset to think he's going to be magically fit for England just because he wants to. It's because his injury has healed...for now.
From a Manchester United's perspective what truly matters is what he does on the pitch in a red devil's shirt. That's why he's paid a 150k a week. Shaw has every right to go and play with England following a horrific season where United had to play without a LB. On the other hand United has the right to question Shaw's judgement and commitment to their cause considering that he's fresh from a horrific season, he's made of glass and he's entering a tournament with zero match fitness. The wise move for him would have been to stay at Carrington and slowly build his fitness up. He chose otherwise. United have every right to plan for a future without him.
United need committed players who put the red shirt as the prime focus of their football career. That was the core belief during our glory days and is the main culprit as of why we descended into banter level. Many moons ago Alan Hansen was ridiculed for saying that you cannot win with kids. I stick my neck out to say that you cannot win without players who are fully committed to the cause.
If he's injury prone then maybe its time to call quits on the national team. That's what many professional players do when their body can't take it anymore. If he's so committed to England then he can move to a smaller club were the game tend to be slower and there are less games. That would unfortunately hit his pocket though. Nothing indicate that he's doing anything of the sort.
As said, Shaw has every right to go with England. On the other hand United has every right to question his judgement and commitment and to plan a future without him.
We've won two out of the three major honours in English football in the last couple of seasons, though. So does that mean we do have players fully committed to the cause? Or that you'll have to change it to 'you cannot win the PL or CL...'
What I am referring to is major honors ie the CL and the EPL title. Managers were sacked after winning the FA cup. That shows how 'major' that cup is from a top club's perspective. Now if you think that all our players are fully committed to the cause especially after such banter season then lets agree to disagree.
Rooney and Beckham have both gone injured, or just returning from injury, to international tournaments, I don't see anyone questioning their love for United.
Shaw tried his hardest to get fit for the FA-Cup finale, didn't make it. It's not outlandish at all that he's ready to go now, three weeks later.
I agree, ideally, for us United supporters, he would spend the summer getting ready for next season, but it doesn't work like that. Of course he wants to go to the Euros with his England.
And even more ideally, I would want Mainoo to stay home and work on his pace and stamina and start next season fresh as a love child of Kantè and Zidane. Not going to happen.
Shaw tried his hardest to get fit for the FA-Cup finale, didn't make it. It's not outlandish at all that he's ready to go now, three weeks later.
I agree, ideally, for us United supporters, he would spend the summer getting ready for next season, but it doesn't work like that. Of course he wants to go to the Euros with his England.
And even more ideally, I would want Mainoo to stay home and work on his pace and stamina and start next season fresh as a love child of Kantè and Zidane. Not going to happen.
Rooney and Beckham were built like a challenger 2 tank while Shaw has an injury track record as long as an arm. Ultimately everyone has to take their own decisions and live with the consequences. I doubt the club will be happy if he returned with yet another injury
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Good luck to Shaw, I hope he gets to full fitness and has a good tournament and helps England do well.
All this nonsense about him not caring for United is ridiculous, injuries happen to so many athletes and I am sure 95%+ of them are gutted for missing any game/event/tournament.
Very easy for keyboard warriors to say they should just get of the treatment table and play through the pain, and yes this applies to the likes of Jones and Martial who would have loved to be available 100% of the time.
All this nonsense about him not caring for United is ridiculous, injuries happen to so many athletes and I am sure 95%+ of them are gutted for missing any game/event/tournament.
Very easy for keyboard warriors to say they should just get of the treatment table and play through the pain, and yes this applies to the likes of Jones and Martial who would have loved to be available 100% of the time.
Robson, Beckham and Rooney,
That is just three names off the top of my head that were legends at Utd but all would have representing their country as the pinnacle of their careers.
I think the honour of a player representing their country seems to have little value in your eyes and yet again that makes no sense to me whatsoever.
Doesn't the fact that they're not doing this tell you something...?
And miss out on the Euros ? Why would he do that to satisfy some fans who, in the grand scheme of things, don't matter at all ?
I understand the player's POV however you also have to understand the club's perspective as well. They had a horrible season where they had to live without a LB for an entire season. Their injury prone lb has now decided to go straight to the national team with barely any match fitness in his legs whatsoever. Will they be as accommodating to him if he picks an injury? Can you blame them if they question his commitment to their cause?
Id be very surprised if we don't sign a lb next season
Don't give a shit really. We need a new first-choice LB, that is all.
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