I hope this place, me included, isn't too devastated when we don't hire Pep, Carlo or Jose. I really do hope I'm wrong, but I'm still convinced they'll keep LVG until the end of his contract, and then appoint Giggs. The only thing that may guarantee that doesn't happen is if we finish outside of the top four. Personally, as much as I don't want LVG for any longer than necessary, I'd rather have him and Champions League football next season. Again, I hope I'm wrong. Loyalty aside, football is a ruthless business. I really do hope the club recognizes that the Manager is the most important person at the club. If they don't, then the Fergie era taught them nothing.
What both Ancellotti and Jose have going for them is that both are premiership proven and can build their own teams.
Pep, as many have pointed out, picks teams that are already well set up. And would need some adjustment time in the PL.
I'm actually beginning to warm to the idea of Mourinho. Fergie likes him, he has an aura that our club needs, tactically very astute, a proven winner, and always seems to get on well with English players. I think he'll love working with Smalling, Jones, Shaw, Rooney (lol), Carrick. The only issue is his history with youth, but maybe Fergie can be in his ear about that.
Pep, as many have pointed out, picks teams that are already well set up. And would need some adjustment time in the PL.
I'm actually beginning to warm to the idea of Mourinho. Fergie likes him, he has an aura that our club needs, tactically very astute, a proven winner, and always seems to get on well with English players. I think he'll love working with Smalling, Jones, Shaw, Rooney (lol), Carrick. The only issue is his history with youth, but maybe Fergie can be in his ear about that.
What about Pep as manager, Mourinho as assistant and Ancelotti as first team coach ?
Pep would be perfect to build on the foundations LvG has put in place. Make no mistake though, Ancelotti would be a great choice in his own right. Wouldn't want Mourinho anywhere near the club, he might win us a trophy or two but he'd leave chaos behind.
You could argue Fergie won a trophy or two and it's been chaos pretty much ever since he left.
Fact is Mourinho puts trophies in the cabinet and a lot if the ensuing chaos once he goes stems from the new man not being able to replicate his achievements and that speaks volumes for Mourinho. Over the period of, say, a three year contract I'd back Mourinho over any other to deliver more silverware.
Yeah, not sure on this "chaos theory". The team he left at Porto and Chelsea kept on winning. Inter had a dip, but was it because of Mourinho? Real won the Champions league the season after he left.
I'd rather the club be in a good place when the next manager leaves.
Mourinho falls out with his players, look at the mutiny he left Real Madrid in, he can be disrespectful and derogatory towards other clubs and their managers especially if he considers them a threat. United don't need his negative drama, the club is far bigger than him.
Pep and Carlo are winners as well and most would back them to win a fair amount of silverware here.
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It has been probably already pointed out but Ancelotti is mainly about the CL. His success in domestic leagues is unimpressive.
I feel that City will sign Guardiola and we will end up with Mourinho.
I feel that City will sign Guardiola and we will end up with Mourinho.
The point he's making is the club was in a terrible place even after SAF left, despite him doing so much good work. No guarantees in football.
Do you have feelings for Mourinho?
kidding
If we don't get Pep, then my next choice would be Mourinho. Nothing to do with 'dynasties', since I don't believe that we will have another one like before, but because of their abilities to win silverware, which is what we need to get our current standing to match our reputation.
So Ancelotti's gone apparently, this man has been off all season but Manchester United are just too slow. If City do get Guardiola I will be really disappointed, if you're top player would you choose to play for Van Gaal or Guardiola, it's not even a contest. If Pellegrini is fired we would be stupid not to go for him, I don't care that he managed the blue side. He's a very good manager.
yeah agreed with this
I'm on the fence re: Jose vs Pep.
But considering everyone wets themselves over Pep, I have to be the devil's advocate in the argument to make my mind up...
Where?
LvG is as good as gone into. We can't bottle the next managerial appointment otherwise the club will collapse. Giggs and Mourinho are the realistic options as Ancelotti is off to Bayern and Pep seems to be headed to City. I have no idea who's the better option, this sounds naive because if this was 2013 I'd say Mourinho all the way but so much negativity surrounds him now I don't think it's as straightforward of a decision as it seems.
We can't let Van Gaal keep spending money this winter.
Ancelotti now would be perfect, so he could spend some money in at least a couple big players for him. He could snatch one of PSG's players... (not fecking Di Maria of course)
Pep would be the ideal candidate, but if we have to wait till summer, then its a no go. We are risking not getting into the UCL if we dont make changes now.
Ancelotti now would be perfect, so he could spend some money in at least a couple big players for him. He could snatch one of PSG's players... (not fecking Di Maria of course)
Pep would be the ideal candidate, but if we have to wait till summer, then its a no go. We are risking not getting into the UCL if we dont make changes now.
ESPN have reported that Carlo has been offered the Bayern job in principle. Odds are we might be left with Jose or Giggs.
Voted Pep, would be happy with Carlo, we'll get neither as they go City and Bayern. So it'll be the Jose circus I guess.
Ideally, Guardiola, but the situation has presented itself for Jose to seek redemption at United in an attempt to restore the team to glory. It's basically a film script.
This.
I like the football Ancelotti plays but I am not totally convinced he is a good fit for United. He seems like somebody who works well with his players but in other areas of managing a club as big as United i'd worry for him.
Guardiola I like but still think there are questions marks over whether he would experience the same issues LVG has without having game changers in his team. Also the football he plays whether it is suited to the EPL or not i'm not sure.
Mourinho I hate to say it but is a manager who gets players playing beyond there ability(at least for a couple of years!) and has the necessary personality to handle a job as big as United. We need to get back to the top and under him we are pretty much guaranteed to get some stability back which is important to buck this downward spiral. I'd go for Mourinho even for his faults, I think if SAF still has any influence he would push for Mourinho as well. He gives us the biggest guarantees of success if we let go of LVG and we can't afford another managerial disaster or the SAF years become a distant memory.
Guardiola I like but still think there are questions marks over whether he would experience the same issues LVG has without having game changers in his team. Also the football he plays whether it is suited to the EPL or not i'm not sure.
Mourinho I hate to say it but is a manager who gets players playing beyond there ability(at least for a couple of years!) and has the necessary personality to handle a job as big as United. We need to get back to the top and under him we are pretty much guaranteed to get some stability back which is important to buck this downward spiral. I'd go for Mourinho even for his faults, I think if SAF still has any influence he would push for Mourinho as well. He gives us the biggest guarantees of success if we let go of LVG and we can't afford another managerial disaster or the SAF years become a distant memory.
Any info on who is favorite for the Job at Chelsea? Are they going for Ancelotti?
I just thought if we got Mourinho, Chelsea Ancelotti and City Guardiola we might see 4 of the top
Yep good post. It seems as if Mourinho really wants the Job and would go that extra mile. With Klopp and Simeone not being available and Guardiola and Ancelotti being uncertain Options I vote for Mourinho taking over now.
I just thought if we got Mourinho, Chelsea Ancelotti and City Guardiola we might see 4 of the top
Yep good post. It seems as if Mourinho really wants the Job and would go that extra mile. With Klopp and Simeone not being available and Guardiola and Ancelotti being uncertain Options I vote for Mourinho taking over now.
You make it sound like Sir Bobby is the owner, I doubt he'd have much of a say.
I'm reminded of this... only this time, it's so obvious... United and Jose both find redemption with the title this season.
Obviously Pep would be the first choice given what he has achieved. I'm intrigued as to whether he could succeed at a club who aren't already the top dogs in their league.
Second choice would be Ancelotti, simply because I think he is more likely to build a platform for long term success.
I'm not opposed to Mourinho, but I would worry a bit about what state he'd eventually leave us in, even if he did turn out to be successful in the short term.
Ultimately though, there will never be a better array of managerial talent available, so I will be very disappointed if we either persevere with van Gaal or go with an unknown quantity like Giggs.
Second choice would be Ancelotti, simply because I think he is more likely to build a platform for long term success.
I'm not opposed to Mourinho, but I would worry a bit about what state he'd eventually leave us in, even if he did turn out to be successful in the short term.
Ultimately though, there will never be a better array of managerial talent available, so I will be very disappointed if we either persevere with van Gaal or go with an unknown quantity like Giggs.
Yeah, they could easily be of that mind. In fact, it's the only sort of plan which fits the evidence - but it has to be said that the latter is almost non-existent. I have no idea what they're actually thinking. It's been very hard to see any kind of clear direction on the board's part ever since Fergie retired.
However, even if the above is the plan, they could be forced to abandon it if LVG simply can't motivate the players any longer. Waiting for that "mathematically impossible" trigger, as they did with Moyes, may not be on in LVG's case. This season is very much salvageable: With a new man in charge we could end up doing fairly well. Problem is (many would say) that they may not look beyond Giggs for the "new man" part.
I wish Guardiola and Ancelotti would announce their futures so this stuff will stop.
When is Pep or Bayern going to announce he's leaving? Thought it was meant to be yesterday
I heard similar, mate.
There were plans for the board to hold talks with Pep about his future this week and then announce a final decision, but it seems as if Pep has already made up his mind to leave and is already gone on holidays. The media more or less in unison expect Bayern to make the announcement today, that Pep will leave at the end of the season. Most expect Ancelotti to take over, no idea if we learn more about that today as well. I don't expect it, because I doubt we've already finalised the deal.
Jose is a better manager than both Pep and especially Ancelotti. The poll results are laughable even taking into account certain cnutish aspects of Mourinho (Not that Saint Pep is squeaky clean either).
This.
Absolutely nothing laughable about it. His record both in the league and cups speak for themselves. He also won the CL with Porto which is a bigger achievement that anything Pep or Ancelotti have done.
Well looks like 2 out of 3 are gone, leaves us with Jose or non of them.
Could have argued it a few years ago, before Mourinho joined Madrid. If you think that now, you're either convincing yourself because you know Mourinho will join Utd, or you need sectioned.
Mourinho has done something very bad to Bob, so naturally Bob hates him.
Him and Mendes are the two biggest stains on football. The sport will be much better once they go.