This is very true. Pep had Messi. Moyes wold have looked good with Messi. OTOH he will have the rep to attract top players and that counts for a lot.
This is very true. Pep had Messi. Moyes wold have looked good with Messi. OTOH he will have the rep to attract top players and that counts for a lot.
No way we will get Jose. Sir Bobby did not want him when Fergie retired, I doubt he would have changed his mind now.
Either of Ancelotti or Pep would do nicely.
Either of Ancelotti or Pep would do nicely.
Anyone but Mourinho.
Anyone.
Anyone.
I don't get why people would prefer Pep who plays similar style to what we have now? Just with better players. That's mind boggling in fact. Stick with LvG if that's the case.
My vote is for Ancelotti. I would take Jose too if he was available too.
My vote is for Ancelotti. I would take Jose too if he was available too.
My thoughts exactly. With it looking like Carlo is going to Munich, I think it's really important we get Guardiola. As much to stop City or Chelsea getting him as anything else.
Pep's tactic/style is nothing like what we have.
Probably because he doesn't
E.Woodward made one mistake already with Moyes.
If he hires Giggs and it goes tits up, he'll be sacked.
The Glazers are wealthy/smart businessmen, who won't allow the CEO of MUFC to screw up twice and continue with the organization.
Yeah but if they keep on repeating it it eventually becomes fact.
I am not saying Guardiola is a bad coach. He is a great coach but he has been gifted some great teams to work with. Yes, he is really good at continuing the success but not sure how good he is at creating it himself without game-changing players.
1. Pep
2. Mourinho = Ancelotti.
Guardiola achieved everything, yet it's almost imediatly reduced simply to Messi geniality. I mean, he had one of the best players to ever play the game, and prime Xavi, but his man management, tactics and football inteligence is second to none.
He's amazing and my first choice. Easily.
2. Mourinho = Ancelotti.
Guardiola achieved everything, yet it's almost imediatly reduced simply to Messi geniality. I mean, he had one of the best players to ever play the game, and prime Xavi, but his man management, tactics and football inteligence is second to none.
He's amazing and my first choice. Easily.
Pep is openly short term-ish isn't he?
Just seems the type of character (and evidenced) of someone not willing to hang around.
Whereas Jose Mourinho has been singing of his preferenance to stay a club and 'build a dynasty'
Just seems the type of character (and evidenced) of someone not willing to hang around.
Whereas Jose Mourinho has been singing of his preferenance to stay a club and 'build a dynasty'
I don't like Mourinho's antics as much as the next man, but those saying they want him nowhere near the club are a little over the top, don't you think? I mean, Ferguson was hardly a saint either. He never poked people in the eye, but still. I'd be very happy if he was our next boss.
Can't believe people on here were discussing Ancelotti's league record with AC Milan without taking Calciopoli into account.
Hate to break it to you, but the Serie A was rigged during that time. And when it got out there was the aftermath of the scandal too, which had a lot of influence on various teams.
That league was never a 'fair' or 'normal' contest back then, so I'd say drawing conclusions from performances of teams during that period is rather pointless, and a bit silly too.
As for the next United manager, I don't really care as long as he's not a *********** who decides to challenge for the league and Champions League without a good amount of real top players. I doubt many coaches would be so stupid, so that's good news. If we can't get Ancelotti, Guardiola would be more than fine. Or the other way around. If we can't one of those two, I'm not sure yet.
Hate to break it to you, but the Serie A was rigged during that time. And when it got out there was the aftermath of the scandal too, which had a lot of influence on various teams.
That league was never a 'fair' or 'normal' contest back then, so I'd say drawing conclusions from performances of teams during that period is rather pointless, and a bit silly too.
As for the next United manager, I don't really care as long as he's not a *********** who decides to challenge for the league and Champions League without a good amount of real top players. I doubt many coaches would be so stupid, so that's good news. If we can't get Ancelotti, Guardiola would be more than fine. Or the other way around. If we can't one of those two, I'm not sure yet.
Tricky really. I'm hanging my coat on the idea that a former '92 great will come good, in particular Gary Neville who has been talking the talk for the past half decade or so.
Guardiola seems too easily stifled by teams that are defensively compact (Copa Del Rey vs Mourinho's Real Madrid 2013), and Ancelotti does not possess particularly outstanding tactical skills (vs Mourinho's Inter 2010).
Despite the freakish happenings at Chelsea over the past couple of months Jose Mourinho is still the number one manager in the world, if he can learn from his mistakes he'd be ideal but even if he doesn't he can still get us back up to where we need to be in the next few seasons from which someone longer term can take over, which hopefully loops back to my first paragraph...
Guardiola seems too easily stifled by teams that are defensively compact (Copa Del Rey vs Mourinho's Real Madrid 2013), and Ancelotti does not possess particularly outstanding tactical skills (vs Mourinho's Inter 2010).
Despite the freakish happenings at Chelsea over the past couple of months Jose Mourinho is still the number one manager in the world, if he can learn from his mistakes he'd be ideal but even if he doesn't he can still get us back up to where we need to be in the next few seasons from which someone longer term can take over, which hopefully loops back to my first paragraph...
good post.
If anyone deserves to be called the best manager in the world right now it is undoubtedly Simeone.
1. Pep
2. Mourinho = Ancelotti.
Guardiola achieved everything, yet it's almost imediatly reduced simply to Messi geniality. I mean, he had one of the best players to ever play the game, and prime Xavi, but his man management, tactics and football inteligence is second to none.
He's amazing and my first choice. Easily.[/QUOTE]
How do you know these things, you say them as if they are a fact?
Let's look at it objectively.
If Peps tactics and football intelligence, ie his game plan for each fixture were so great and second to none, then it's very reasonable to conclude that if Pep wasn't there using these tatics, then Barca would suffer considerably. But as it happens, Barca won La Liga with 100 points the season following Pep's dismissal.
He then went to Bayern and they bought the star player of the next best team, even though that team had finished 26 points behind them. So given Pep is second to none, would it not make sense that Bayern would be even better? But they weren't.
As I've said earlier in the thread, I'm not saying Pep isn't a good coach, but simply it's very tough to appraise him if you take off the rose tinted glasses. If what you were saying was really true, then Barca would have gone further backwards when Pep left and Bayern would have further progressed, but neither of those things happened.
Imagine Brendan Rodgers had a 28 year old Steven Gerrard to play in the same team as Suarez in 2013/14. Surely you think Liverpool would have won the Premier League. I think anyone who denies thinking that is just trying to avoid having to accept that a couple of great players can make an idiot look brilliant. I'm not saying Pep is an idiot. But he did have a squad Brendan Rodgers would have won the CL with. It wasn't just a case of him having Messi and Xavi. He had Iniesta, Thierry Henry, Busquets, Puyol, Eto and Villa etc. Let's not forget that Henry was the best player in the Premier League and was not even a star in the Barca team as they had so much talent. YaYa Toure struggled to get into the midfield, yet has been the best midfielder in the Prem in recent years. That's the insane level of quality in the Barca squads during that period.
So it's very, very reasonable to be unsure about Pep and to claim he's "amazing" isn't based on objective analysis, but very selective. An amazing manager takes Aberdeen to win UEFA Cup. That's truly and amazing achievement. The odds of Barca winning La Liga and the CL in the same season with the squads Pep had would have been considerably shorter than Leicester topping the Premier League after 16 games.
Anyway it's all academic as Pep wont take the Utd job. If he was really looking to test himself he wouldn't have gone to Bayern. He'll either be at City or PSG, as they are the easiest jobs around.
2. Mourinho = Ancelotti.
Guardiola achieved everything, yet it's almost imediatly reduced simply to Messi geniality. I mean, he had one of the best players to ever play the game, and prime Xavi, but his man management, tactics and football inteligence is second to none.
He's amazing and my first choice. Easily.[/QUOTE]
How do you know these things, you say them as if they are a fact?
Let's look at it objectively.
If Peps tactics and football intelligence, ie his game plan for each fixture were so great and second to none, then it's very reasonable to conclude that if Pep wasn't there using these tatics, then Barca would suffer considerably. But as it happens, Barca won La Liga with 100 points the season following Pep's dismissal.
He then went to Bayern and they bought the star player of the next best team, even though that team had finished 26 points behind them. So given Pep is second to none, would it not make sense that Bayern would be even better? But they weren't.
As I've said earlier in the thread, I'm not saying Pep isn't a good coach, but simply it's very tough to appraise him if you take off the rose tinted glasses. If what you were saying was really true, then Barca would have gone further backwards when Pep left and Bayern would have further progressed, but neither of those things happened.
Imagine Brendan Rodgers had a 28 year old Steven Gerrard to play in the same team as Suarez in 2013/14. Surely you think Liverpool would have won the Premier League. I think anyone who denies thinking that is just trying to avoid having to accept that a couple of great players can make an idiot look brilliant. I'm not saying Pep is an idiot. But he did have a squad Brendan Rodgers would have won the CL with. It wasn't just a case of him having Messi and Xavi. He had Iniesta, Thierry Henry, Busquets, Puyol, Eto and Villa etc. Let's not forget that Henry was the best player in the Premier League and was not even a star in the Barca team as they had so much talent. YaYa Toure struggled to get into the midfield, yet has been the best midfielder in the Prem in recent years. That's the insane level of quality in the Barca squads during that period.
So it's very, very reasonable to be unsure about Pep and to claim he's "amazing" isn't based on objective analysis, but very selective. An amazing manager takes Aberdeen to win UEFA Cup. That's truly and amazing achievement. The odds of Barca winning La Liga and the CL in the same season with the squads Pep had would have been considerably shorter than Leicester topping the Premier League after 16 games.
Anyway it's all academic as Pep wont take the Utd job. If he was really looking to test himself he wouldn't have gone to Bayern. He'll either be at City or PSG, as they are the easiest jobs around.
He's been unbelievable at Atletico, I'm just wary of these "perfect storm" managers that are outstanding at one club under very specific conditions and untested elsewhere.
We gonna miss out on all three of them and end up with another year of LvG and Giggs as his successor. 
They won't give a monkeys as long as he's signing us up to lucrative sponsorship deals and making them even more money.
Early exits and/or failing to qualify for CL will cost the club a lot of money.
Ed Woodward did not signed Moyes and was allegedly against his appointment.
As most voted, would prefer Pep to City too.
I understand but for me what Simeone has achieved is much much much harder than winning titles in different leagues with big teams with big resources. Many managers have done that but very few managers have done what Simeone has done. Atletico were a midtable team at best when he arrived. They had finished top four 3 times in 20 years(and also got relegated in between). Since joining in 2011 he gradually transformed them into title contenders against all odds with a fraction of the cost of Real/Barca and reached CL final. Now they are once again joint top of La Liga and comfortably topped their CL group. Atletico are a top team not just in Spain but in Europe as well. It would be like Roberto Martinez winning the premier league with Everton and reaching the CL final. Unprecedented.
A lot are saying Simeone's style is similar to Mourinho but what makes Simeone more favourable for me is that he has a great record at integrating youth unlike the latter: Saul, Oliver (Yes, I know he was loaned), Giménez and Ángel Correa and even their goalkeeper Oblak after losing Courtois to a certain extent. And this is a huge fabric of our club no matter who turns out our manager. That's just one aspect of it, his achievements have been incredible considering he's managed to get his club actually competing with Barcelona and Real.
Yes, the language barrier is the main issue and probably why he'll never be our manager as he heavily relies on his communication and motivational qualities as well as his tactical knowledge of the game.
Yes, the language barrier is the main issue and probably why he'll never be our manager as he heavily relies on his communication and motivational qualities as well as his tactical knowledge of the game.
Good post and totally agree. I think what he's done at Atletico has been probably the best managerial feat over the last 5 years for sure.
The concerns with him are the same as Mourinho except he seems to be better at squad building over a period and with younger players, and has generally had more of a restrain on him with regards to playing style as he's not at a proper mega-club with mega-club resources.
And every year he loses some of his best players - Falcao, Aguero, Costa, Turan and he keeps defying the odds. Next year he will likely lose Griezmann as well. Although Atletico are finally in a position to spend some money like they did this summer. It wouldn't have been possible without Simeone though.
Mourinho for the circus.
Guardiola is clearly the best option but unfortunately looks nailed on to join City. Ancelotti could potentially provide more long term stability but I don't think he is on the same level as the other 2.
With Mourinho, I really didn't want him to succeed Fergie mainly because he is a grade A prick. People may say the same about Fergie but he has far more class than Jose. That said, the idea of him becoming the next United manager is really growing on me.
I don't know if he is capable of being a long term manager but I think he is keen to be. I also think Giggs could learn an awful lot from him and he is a much more appropriate mentor than LVG. If Giggs does go on to be a top manager, I think he would be more similar in style to Jose.
The main thing I miss from the Fergie era is the big game feel and the confidence that your team will beat your rival in the really big games. Mourinho's teams win the big games. Where City failed at Anfield, he took a weakened Chelsea side and won. He was the reason Liverpool didn't win that league.
Compare that to Ancelotti, who really has to take the blame for Milan's complacent attitude in a Champions League final in Istanbul. I don't know if Mourinho could behave in an appropriate way for a United manager but I think he could be the best available option in the summer.
With Mourinho, I really didn't want him to succeed Fergie mainly because he is a grade A prick. People may say the same about Fergie but he has far more class than Jose. That said, the idea of him becoming the next United manager is really growing on me.
I don't know if he is capable of being a long term manager but I think he is keen to be. I also think Giggs could learn an awful lot from him and he is a much more appropriate mentor than LVG. If Giggs does go on to be a top manager, I think he would be more similar in style to Jose.
The main thing I miss from the Fergie era is the big game feel and the confidence that your team will beat your rival in the really big games. Mourinho's teams win the big games. Where City failed at Anfield, he took a weakened Chelsea side and won. He was the reason Liverpool didn't win that league.
Compare that to Ancelotti, who really has to take the blame for Milan's complacent attitude in a Champions League final in Istanbul. I don't know if Mourinho could behave in an appropriate way for a United manager but I think he could be the best available option in the summer.
The decisions the board has made since SAF retired makes me think this. Although I think Giggs would do well.We gonna miss out on all three of them and end up with another year of LvG and Giggs as his successor.
+ Koke who has developed immensly under Simeone.
Atletico's football this year also got more attacking and generally over the years with him they have had some great results in big games where they created several chances and won convincingly (4-0 vs RM or the CL semi final 2nd leg at Stamford Bridge).
Simeone would be my choice but somehow I can't see it happening.
Guardiola top. Ancelotti a close second. Guardiola has the edge for me because he's younger and seems to take a more long term view than Ancelotti, though Ancelotti seems to be the better man manager (Guardiola has fallen out with a few people while Ancelotti managed Real Madrid and wasn't hated). Both play attacking football and are pretty likeable.
Either would be an improvement over LVG.
Mourinho, like Giggs, is not even in the running for me. He's cynical, paranoid and selfish. He doesn't know how to bring through younger players or play attacking football and is, imo, a petty arsehole.
Either would be an improvement over LVG.
Mourinho, like Giggs, is not even in the running for me. He's cynical, paranoid and selfish. He doesn't know how to bring through younger players or play attacking football and is, imo, a petty arsehole.
Off course they care because if we don't compete and repetedly fail top 4 those deals will dry up to an extent.
At the end of the season:
Mourinho -> Real Madrid
Ancelotti -> Bayern
Guardiola -> ???
If we don't get Pep this summer then we will be in a lot of trouble trying to get a replacement for LVG in the summer of 2017.
Mourinho -> Real Madrid
Ancelotti -> Bayern
Guardiola -> ???
If we don't get Pep this summer then we will be in a lot of trouble trying to get a replacement for LVG in the summer of 2017.
I actually do not think that any of these will be our next manager. If I had any, I'd put money on it, but I'd be interested to see what each of them would bring to the table. It might be my own United mega-bias speaking (probably, in fact), but I've suspected for a long time that Mourinho was sure he'd be the next United manager after SAF and that he'd been (secretly) waiting for that to come around. I suspect that, if he were to come here, we'd see a happier and more settled manager who would actually want to stick around and not allow it to go tits up. So with that in mind and the fact that he's obviously a very talented manager when in the right frame of mind, I'd like to see how that turned out. I'd still take Pep first and Ancelotti second though.....in case I'm wrong 
Edit: If I were to take a guess, including Chelsea since they are in the market I'd say that by the summer:
Chelsea: Simeone (possibly Guardiola)
City: Guardiola (unless Chelsea beat them to it)
Bayern: Ancelotti
United: LVG
And I think Mourinho will end up at a larger club in Spain, Italy or something.
Edit: If I were to take a guess, including Chelsea since they are in the market I'd say that by the summer:
Chelsea: Simeone (possibly Guardiola)
City: Guardiola (unless Chelsea beat them to it)
Bayern: Ancelotti
United: LVG
And I think Mourinho will end up at a larger club in Spain, Italy or something.
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Obviously you can point out the fact that we hired a manager who was not proven at the highest level and he failed misrably but, I find it sort of depressing that a few managers basically play musical chairs with the biggest clubs in Europe.
Ferdinand obviously not towing the party line to promote the cause of saint Ryan.