He won the league 7 months ago ffs while Ancelotti was getting sacked by Real.
Swap their teams and it would have been Mourinho getting sacked (again) with Ancelotti winning the league with Chelsea.
Swap their teams and it would have been Mourinho getting sacked (again) with Ancelotti winning the league with Chelsea.
Pep gone this summer
Replaced by Carlo
Official - confirmed by Bayern
Replaced by Carlo
Official - confirmed by Bayern
Ancelotti is near as allergic as Benitez when it comes to winning the league.
Not his fault that Gerrard slipt on his arse.
You don't know that. In fact, given Ancelotti somehow managed to finish 3rd with Real, I very much doubt he would have bettered Jose. Jose is quite simply a better manager and by some distance.
Ancelotti is near as allergic as Benitez when it comes to winning the league.
Not his fault that Gerrard slipt on his arse.
I've despised Mourinho long before that. When people look back at his influence on football what are they going to remember? It'll be petty (at best) antics, poor sportsmanship and making horrible bus parking football so popular.
His trophy wins (except Porto) are hollow because of the circumstances around them.
I think in an ideal world we would get Pep, Jose would leave the premier league imo and probably go to like PSG and Ancelotti has already been confirmed as Bayerns next coach. Leaves City with Audrey and no major replacement for Chelsea either.
Didn't Mourinho also finish 3rd the season when Ancelotti finished 3rd? One of them finished behind Liverpool though, that's almost Moyes-esque failure
.For what it's worth. I happily admit that as of now, Mourinho's overall career is more impressive than Ancelotti's.
Didn't Mourinho also finish 3rd the season when Ancelotti finished 3rd? One of them finished behind Liverpool though, that's almost Moyes-esque failure
For what it's worth. I happily admit that as of now, Mourinho's overall career is more impressive than Ancelotti's.
Not really. They weren't very good when Jose picked them up and in fact they were quite lucky to even make the CL places the season before that and finished 6th two years ago. If not for a late collapse they would have probably won the league. Nothing to scorn at either way.
Nonsense
Trophies are everything. I'd take The Dark Lord of Football as long has would win for us.
So, Bayern have now issued an official statement - Pep will leave Bayern in the Summer and be replaced by Ancelotti.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35144474
So, now that Ancelotti is unavailable, we only have a 2 of the big 3 to choose from - Jose and Pep.
I really do hope we get one of these.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35144474
So, now that Ancelotti is unavailable, we only have a 2 of the big 3 to choose from - Jose and Pep.
I really do hope we get one of these.
You do realize that the Catenaccio was "invented" long before he was even born?
Pep is the easy first choice for me.
Mourinho has to change his attitude towards younger players if he wants to manage us IMO. If he manages us it's for the club for the long-term, not to boost his trophy haul using quick fixes. Plus I think our board would want him to rein in the cuntishness. It was fine at Chelsea because they have so much gratitude towards him.
Mourinho has to change his attitude towards younger players if he wants to manage us IMO. If he manages us it's for the club for the long-term, not to boost his trophy haul using quick fixes. Plus I think our board would want him to rein in the cuntishness. It was fine at Chelsea because they have so much gratitude towards him.
Parking the bus is a much better term though, it was a wonderful creation by Mourinho. He really deserves all the credit he gets for it. I mean the term, not the style to play. He doesn't deserve much for the latter, because like you say, there was nothing new about it.
I doubt he'll ever change that aspect of his managerial repertoire
I realise that yes. It wasn't extinct when Mourinho started bus parking but there's no doubt at all that that shit on a stick style became more popular again because of him.
Guardiola gave the world his brand of football, Mourinho his. I know which one I'd rather have as my legacy.
While I would love Pep, it worries me that he has never had a job like this before. Here he needs to build a team, very few players if any would get in that Bayern team. It's difficult to stay competitive while building a team and the Premiership is probably the hardest league in the world.
For me José is the safer bet.
For me José is the safer bet.
Are you sure he invented that term? I was under the impression it was the media who came up with it.
You're giving him too much credit if you think he was the one who brought back defensive football in big games.
Didn't Greece apply exactly that tactic when he was winning the CL with Porto?
Mourinho used it when he moaned about Jol's tactics in a game against Tottenham during his first spell with Chelsea.Are you sure he invented that term? I was under the impression it was the media who came up with it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...eft-to-moan-as-Spurs-blockade-the-Bridge.html
That's why it's so funny that it's his prefered tactic in big games. Since then it became popular, but that's where it all started as far as I know.
Interesting, but anyway, style is not the main concern right now. Even Sir Alex did it on occasions. That away game at City before that Aguero moment springs to mind.
Honestly though, I think you and a lot of other Man Utd fans are being too unambitious. There's absolutely no reason not to demand style AND success.
Plenty of big teams have been successful in big games without being defensive. It's a complete myth that the best way to win tough games is to be defensive.
I know many don't like him on here but I went Jose, he's proven in the league and he's the one that I could pick out the 3 that Id be certain we'd win the league with. He's a serial winner and would get us winning games.
....it will be like our transfer policy, the club talk of Pep and deliver someone like LVG again who 'once was good'. We're signing Managers and players generally that the other big teams don't want anymore. Would have been more impressed it Pep came here after Barca rather than his now 'tour of big clubs'...
With our attack, demanding style is probably impossible no matter who the manager
In it's current state, maybe. Absolutely no reason why you can't ask for both from whoever you hire from next season onwards. So many around here seem to dislike Mourinho but feel panicked into accepting him because of the football you've put up with recently. Shouldn't that make you less likely to want Mourinho? This is your chance to put it right and hire a progressive, forward thinking manager...even if they take a few months to stamp their mark on the squad.
Think long term, don't make a panic decision.
Well, we know it won't be Ancelotti and it seems certain that it won't be Guardiola either. I actually don't think that we'll go for Mourinho either though, so we might need to look elsewhere.
appointing Maurinho would not be a panic decision. He is proven and the best manager in the world atm. The last 4 months will be discussed I am sure. No manager these days are going to be long term unless they come internally...most likely from teh Co92. But even then, with the crazy money involved, nothing is certain.
Very fair comments. You could be right.
Carlo is now confirmed to Bayern, with Pep on the way out. Pellegrini's comments concerning Guardiola strongly suggest that, as has been heavily rumoured, Pep will go to City. That leaves us with Mourinho. Honestly, we'd be foolish to pass up on him. Given his knowledge of the league and his apparent desire to get back to work sooner rather than later, I'd appoint him now. Again, though, I have a feeling that United will stubbornly stick to their plan to have Giggs take over. I hope I'm wrong!
By long term I mean think about beyond the next few months i.e. don't hire someone on the basis that no one could get this team playing attacking football anyway, because that can easily be fixed next summer.
I don't think you need to target a manager who will stay long term, but I do think you need to look for a manager who has the longer term in his mind when making decisions. You need to get someone who won't just buy a load of experienced players, who forgets about bringing through youth and who sells of potentially top class players. That'll leave you back to square 1 in 3 or 4 years time.
If the club can't sign up Pep for next season, then I don't know what to say.
You have to admire Bayern no BS, they have appointed another top manager. I'm starting to believe the rumours are true that Guardiola may end up at City no smoke without fire and all that.
Manchester United have been quite unambitious when it comes to managers, for a club that says it wants to be the best in the world we sure do not act like it. Signing Guardiola is like signing Messi or Ronaldo. He's the creme de la creme of management. If Guardiola does go I would take Pellegrini I think he's a really good manager and certainly been better than Van Gaal in the PL.
Manchester United have been quite unambitious when it comes to managers, for a club that says it wants to be the best in the world we sure do not act like it. Signing Guardiola is like signing Messi or Ronaldo. He's the creme de la creme of management. If Guardiola does go I would take Pellegrini I think he's a really good manager and certainly been better than Van Gaal in the PL.
LvG to be gone immediately is a no brainer. He has lost the dressing room and certainly Giggs. He will be sacked by teh board in a day or two. The board is in discussion with Maurinho. I'm certain of it. The issues of Youth players, our normal style of play and what happened at Chelsea will all be discussed I'm sure. Maurinho appointment makes sense because United can still win the title this season. We wont do it with an untried Giggs. And there is no one else available to help us win it. The key is LvG is toxic and must leave immediately.
What he absolutely do not want is to be stuck in trophy limbo like the years before Sir Alex. Mourinho is as close to guaranteeing a title in his 2nd season as it gets.
Unfortunately, most United fans now realise that long term thinking is only good if you were winning stuff which we don't look like doing anytime soon. Two, there is no perfect manager out there who ticks all the boxes.
Different viewpoints I guess. I'd rather be playing well and staying within reach of the big guns while a progressive manager builds towards long term title contention, than actually winning the trophy with football that makes me hate watching my own team.
I would actually disagree with the idea that Mourinho plays tumescent football. He's a defensive manager at heart, no doubting that but his teams hardly play Pulis like football. Chelsea in his first played some decent stuff, as did Real and Inter. It's only last few months that things have gone to complete shit. Another thing that I like he seems to like his pacy wingers. He had Duff and Robben at Chelsea in his first spell, Di Maria and Ronaldo at Real. Didn't quite work out that way at Inter but he did sign Quaresma and Mancini to play out wide. If he comes in and get's rid of Mata and buys quick wingers that immediately puts him in good books.
Although I am a pessimist by nature I seriously believe only Pep can get us back to winning the league and European success. We must try as hard as possible, offering him anything or else we'll be the new Liverpool.
Ideally, Guardiola.
Realistically, Mourinho.
In over ten years as a 'top manager', this season is the first where you can say Mourinho has been genuinely poor. But as I see it, he's still massively in credit, and we'd be getting one of the best managers in the world, who last won the Premier League as recently as 18 months ago, with a point to prove. There's no way he's lost his ability overnight, and is still relatively young at 52.
It's an absolute no-brainer that we'd appoint him, and any rumblings of discontent would soon die down as we started to win football matches again.
Personally, i'd not only accept Mourinho as manager of Manchester United - I would absolutely flippin' *love it*.
Realistically, Mourinho.
In over ten years as a 'top manager', this season is the first where you can say Mourinho has been genuinely poor. But as I see it, he's still massively in credit, and we'd be getting one of the best managers in the world, who last won the Premier League as recently as 18 months ago, with a point to prove. There's no way he's lost his ability overnight, and is still relatively young at 52.
It's an absolute no-brainer that we'd appoint him, and any rumblings of discontent would soon die down as we started to win football matches again.
Personally, i'd not only accept Mourinho as manager of Manchester United - I would absolutely flippin' *love it*.