If Jose got the United job he wouldnt poke any eyes or demote any doctors or throw any players under the bus. I can guarantee you that.
He respects this club.
He respects this club.
Fine. Apart from Perreira & Januzaj, who are these outstanding young players that a manager would be looking to bring through, or should a manager just do it because it's a "tradition"? We've fallen behind in terms of producing top young talents, instead of us looking inwards and trying to rediscover that aspect of the club, we're here arguing about managers that bring through youth. Where did bringing through the likes of Cleverly and Welbeck take us?
I want to believe that but I don't. How can he have more respect for United than Chelsea?
Indeed.
The falling behind thing is about the other (lower) crop.We're having some of the best talents that we have produced (or bought and produced) since a long time in Januzaj,Pereira and Wilson (Pogba and Morrison shown more promises but everyone know what happened with two of them).For the next group we have for example Tuanzebe,Fosu-Mensah,Gribbin,... as the ones to groom.I can guarantee with you if Mourinho is the manager nobody out of them will make it because he doesn't know how to blood youth into the team and wouldn't want to take that risk also.Unless you have an early developer freak like Rooney it's taking time and planning to blood these talents into the first team and you won't get that with Jose.
Mourinho got the best crop that academy football has witnessed since a very long time in their FA Youth Cup winning squad last season plus others like Christensen and so far has promoted only 1 of them (RLC) to play a few matches then dropped while their seniors are seriously underperforming.
If you're fine with a manager like that it's your thing.I absolutely can't stand his football ideology and character.Got any problem with that?
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Sounds like Guardiola has already signed with Manchester City. They are not just getting a fantastic manager, they are getting a man with a massive pull. Players want to play for Guardiola. He's going to find this league so easy.
Yeah like Guardiola doesn't fight with medical staff. I mean the club doctor who was there for 30 years left because of him. He's now fighting with the medical team again because of Riberys injury.
But let's all forget all that. Only Jose fights with medical staff.
But let's all forget all that. Only Jose fights with medical staff.
That's the one thing that makes me against Mourinho but you never know maybe he will understand that it is in United's DNA, it wasn't in Chelsea, Inter or Real Madrid's.
Although he did great with Varane.
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Mourinho also pokes opposition staff members in the eye, calls his rivals "fatty" and "specialist in failure", blames his players to absolve himself, says referees are scared of giving decisions, and does stuff like the medical staff thing.
There are very legitimate reasons to appoint him. Namely - his trophy haul over the last decade. But in terms of behavior, he's absolutely woeful and one of the worst. Pep has got nothing on him in that regard.
Managers are generally authoritative and head-strong because they have to be, and that sometimes leads to conflict. Mourinho is an extreme case though, from what I've seen.
True.
Academy football means jack shit. Aston Villa used to have a good academy team a few years ago. A lot of their players were promoted and that's why they been in the relegation zones for the past few years.
He won a title with that team. It was more a political decision at Roman to play the first teamers because he wasn't happy with the transfer business.
Potchetinno can blood youth at Spurs because there is no pressure. I'd bet he wouldn't do that at Real Madrid or Chelsea with Perez and Roman buying players for him and forcing him to play them.
Jose wanted Martial, Shaw and Stones over the last few years. He didn't get any of them. But now he'd have 2 of them and have a good chance of getting Stones.
And Fergie didn't have a go at Wenger or Benitez?
The first thing Fergie said about Wenger was that he should stick to talking about Japanese football when he arrived.
Because Wenger said ""It's wrong the programme is extended so Man Utd can rest and win everything". It's not exactly the same as calling your rival a fatty or specialist in failure, or even worse, poking a guy in the eye.
But you are actually right. One has a tendancy to paint Mourinho as a demon because it's easy to, whereas other managers also lose their cool, play mind-games etc. I do think of the football I've seen, and I missed early Fergie, Mourinho is comfortably the worst I've seen.
We're not particularly laden with options, are we? I don't have any problem with your opinion, don't get mad.
Stop talking sense. LVG has used a lot of youth players, why is that not saving him at this time then? In time, our fans will wake up.
Some our fans are so rose-tinted about SAFs conduct in the past. He is just like Jose, did what it take to win. Push it that tiny little bit more....make it edgy. We were lapping it up when it was him.
Plus I agree that he atleast has a DNA to work to here (unlike most of his other places).
Oh and our football was pretty average under the final years of SAF, but guess what, we won - and lapped it up again!
Behind the scenes is a dream here (no silly technical directors or over influencing owners).
And finally has proper footballing people he respects (well mainly SAF) that he can talk to behind the scenes. Add Charlton and Giggs to that and it should be a dream (a genuine dream would be to add G.Neville to it).
Plus I agree that he atleast has a DNA to work to here (unlike most of his other places).
Oh and our football was pretty average under the final years of SAF, but guess what, we won - and lapped it up again!
Behind the scenes is a dream here (no silly technical directors or over influencing owners).
And finally has proper footballing people he respects (well mainly SAF) that he can talk to behind the scenes. Add Charlton and Giggs to that and it should be a dream (a genuine dream would be to add G.Neville to it).
Out of curiosity, how many players have you seen Guardiola pull?
Some people think playing youth just makes you a great manager. It's like a hipster thing. Ancelotti has been at some of the biggest clubs in the world and yet I can't recall many young players he has brought through.
Klopp was great in the transfer market buying Hummels, Lewandowski, Kagawa, Reus, Gundogan, Subotic and few others I forgotten. But according to redcafe he produced them all.
Why not hire Paul Lambert? He has great track record bringing in youth. Wins feck all, but who cares. He brings through youth and that is all that matters. I want more McNairs and Blacketts in the first team.
We been work in progress for 3 years now. It's time to start winning stuff. You know lifting trophies rather than going for more work in progress managers.
How many youth players did Fergie bring through in the last decade? It's not like the academy is producing great players after great.
It's a hard time in the premier league. The lower level and mid table teams are buying good foreign players now. They will expose any top teams playing a bunch of youngsters just like Bournemouth did to us.
Our squad needs world class players not youngsters. Forget the youth setup and let's focus on getting a decent first team for starters. Then we can worry about youth development, when the first team is actually up to scratch. We have Shaw, Martial, Depay, Januzaj, Perriara and Wilson. But that's not enough for some people.
I agree with you 100%. In time, people will wake up to reality.
Because he respects Fergie and Chelsea has nothing on United in terms of history, romance and global appeal.
And i think Jose knows his antics wont fly with the supporters at least until he wins.
The premier league is shaping up to become a managers super league - Klopp vs Pep vs Mou vs Wenger vs Simeone, if all the conjecture turns true.
It's almost as if they're bigger than the clubs they're being touted to manage.
It's almost as if they're bigger than the clubs they're being touted to manage.
The manager who ticks the most boxes is Diego Simeone. But it appears he doesn't speak English and has no interest in leaving Spain.
Pep is almost certainly going to City and we know Carlo is going to Bayern, so that really only leaves Jose, doesn't it?
Yes, there is Pochettino and Koeman, both outstanding managers. But I don't know what they bring that Jose wouldn't bring.
Any manager we bring in presents a risk of some kind, but Jose presents the least risk and the most upside of any of the realistic candidates out there.
This is a no-brainer, actually. The only question is when should we sack Louis? I say rip the bandage now and be done with it.
Pep is almost certainly going to City and we know Carlo is going to Bayern, so that really only leaves Jose, doesn't it?
Yes, there is Pochettino and Koeman, both outstanding managers. But I don't know what they bring that Jose wouldn't bring.
Any manager we bring in presents a risk of some kind, but Jose presents the least risk and the most upside of any of the realistic candidates out there.
This is a no-brainer, actually. The only question is when should we sack Louis? I say rip the bandage now and be done with it.
Am I the only one who not only thinks Jose has proven himself more than pep but is also a class above him?
If Jose is hired, I hope they bring back Special 1 TV.
I might agree with that if we just look at the positives of both.
The problem with Jose is that he also comes with massive negatives, way more than Pep. His behaviour is awful, he seems to wear people around him out and his football isn't near as attractive as Guardiola's.
When you take those factors into account, Pep wins every time imo.
I don't think LVG has lost the dressing room, but the players have been following LVG's methods and are getting nowhere. And they know it, just as we do. As Phil Jones stated - its bad, but not as bad as when Moyes was here.
If we lose the next 2 games (which is probable), I think we will be at Moyes' level of dressing room unrest.
In our last game, it felt as if Giggs was saying to LVG: "LVG we need to do something now. Change something. Do something. Anything." LVG basically gave him a blank look (out of ideas). Then Giggs took to the touchline as that's all he could do. Ultimately, it made no difference, but I think what we saw was sheer frustration.
2 reasons
1. Chelsea isn't really a club with a defined sense of principles and morals. feck look at their club captain and the history of their owner. That's not to say it was the same in the past or future but in its current guise the big men at the club are hardly enforces of good ethics. If people don't think that shit doesn't waft through an organisation they're sadly mistaken.
2. United factor. This is the job he wants. He's had a hard on for it for the past 10 years. Unlike Chelsea and Madrid, he will only get one shot at United and he'll be determined not to feck it up. Similarly there's also the possibility of a long term future here unlike at any other club he's managed and he'll be given a blank cheque to build and sign any player he likes. Even managers of Bayern have the oldies chipping in, in selecting who to buy. We are strictly unique in world football in that we pretty much give our managers free reign to sign whoever.
Pep may have negatives as well. He hasn't been around long enough for them to be exposed yet.
It looks like...
Guardiola > City (this looks nailed on)
Ancelotti > Bayern Munich
Mourinho > Real Madrid
Not sure where all this leaves us. Van Gaal to see out his contract and Giggs to take over?
Guardiola > City (this looks nailed on)
Ancelotti > Bayern Munich
Mourinho > Real Madrid
Not sure where all this leaves us. Van Gaal to see out his contract and Giggs to take over?
Why does that look likely?
Ancelloti was one corner kick away from losing the CL and probably getting the sack. The guy does not win leagues and thats what we really want and need next season!
My one thing with Mourinho is, how the hell did the same group of players who fought for him last year have issues with him a few months later? Its really incredible.
My one thing with Mourinho is, how the hell did the same group of players who fought for him last year have issues with him a few months later? Its really incredible.
The time for Mourinho to have come to United was to follow SAF. That time's gone now. I really hope we don't go near him.
Sounds like there was a chance it could have been Guardiola as well, let's hope SAF is still on good terms with him. SAF is on the board at United, so that could swing it. Unless Pep has already made up his mind. My worry is that dallying with more LvG will stop us getting a good successor.
(with Giggs as the romantic gamble of an option. It might work, but isn't he better placed staying at the club in a coaching capacity, offering continuity & experience, rather than a sh*t or bust management attempt?)
Sounds like there was a chance it could have been Guardiola as well, let's hope SAF is still on good terms with him. SAF is on the board at United, so that could swing it. Unless Pep has already made up his mind. My worry is that dallying with more LvG will stop us getting a good successor.
(with Giggs as the romantic gamble of an option. It might work, but isn't he better placed staying at the club in a coaching capacity, offering continuity & experience, rather than a sh*t or bust management attempt?)
What incentive does he have to change his ways? He just completely fecked up a team whose owner had to put his tail between his legs (for probably the first time in his entire professional life) to reappoint and gets rewarded with a monumental pay off and what most of us here would describe as the biggest job in world football.
Did he not respect Real then?
Think Pep will win in a triple threat match. Carlo is older and movement is an issue. Mourinho will try to be a snide cnut, so in case if its a no holds barred hardcore match, a Mourinho win could be a possibility.
Yes, I think it's naive to believe he would behave much better at United. I thought he might change during his second spell at Chelsea but it seems that's just the way he is. Having said that, I'd still take him rather than endure more comatose football under Van Gaal (and I'd take pretty much any other manager in the premier league over Giggs).
Kind of agree
Pep started it with naming a Portugese ref who he thought was Jose' buddy ahead of a CL game to pressure Uefa not to appoint him.
Well, if Ancelloti wins a 4th CL instead of the league, I doubt anyone will complain..