Jose Mourinho vs Pep Guardiola vs Carlo Ancelotti

[Pyroblazer]

Ideally, Guardiola.

Realistically, Mourinho.

In over ten years as a 'top manager', this season is the first where you can say Mourinho has been genuinely poor. But as I see it, he's still massively in credit, and we'd be getting one of the best managers in the world, who last won the Premier League as recently as 18 months ago, with a point to prove. There's no way he's lost his ability overnight, and is still relatively young at 52.

It's an absolute no-brainer that we'd appoint him, and any rumblings of discontent would soon die down as we started to win football matches again.

Personally, i'd not only accept Mourinho as manager of Manchester United - I would absolutely flippin' *love it*.

It's really not. Only if we are just desperate for trophies and a short-term-fix. Otherwise he couldn't be a worse fit to our team. No playstyle/identity, no chances for youth, negative football and he is annoying cnut too. van Gaal did a good rebuild job in the first season and the window after that, he can't do much more for us and like Bayern we need to sack him now, but also like Bayern we need to build on it and make the next step. Mourinho isn't anywhere a good candidate to do that. He would change the whole squad again, wants a complete different style and mentality and will destroy everything again in 2,3 years and we will start from zero again. Will it make us more successful in the short-term most likely, will it help us to return to the best and to be upthere also in Europe for the next few years and the future like Bayern or Barca in the last few years, I doubt it.

Pep would be the ideal choice, we need to do everything that he doesn't end up at City.
Mourinho should take a rest, I wouldn't touch him right now. I don't think he has lost his quality, but who knows really. Right now I don't think he would be a appointment without risks and which top club hired a manager who just has been absymal at another top club in the same league?

 

[Michael T]

I imagine the Glazers would have to promise a vast amount of cash upfront if they wanted to persuade Pep to come to United over City; probably the same scenario if they want Jose. Considering how far we've advanced as a team after spending £250,000,000* how much of a transfer pot do people think it would take** to ensure we could get our man? Also, with regard to signing Pep or Jose - could Ryan Giggs become somewhat of a 'fly in the ointment' during negotiations due to his own ambitions, and any loyalty the club may feel they owe him?

* Contentious figure, but I'm sure you get the point.
** Can you really see the Glazers handing over the cash required?

 

[Nighteyes]

** Can you really see the Glazers handing over cash required?

Yes. It's in their best interests to do so.

 

[NessunDorma]

It's really not. Only if we are just desperate for trophies and a short-term-fix. Otherwise he couldn't be a worse fit to our team. No playstyle/identity, no chances for youth, negative football and he is annoying cnut too. van Gaal did a good rebuild job in the first season and the window after that, he can't do much more for us and like Bayern we need to sack him now, but also like Bayern we need to build on it and make the next step. Mourinho isn't anywhere a good candidate to do that. He would change the whole squad again, wants a complete different style and mentality and will destroy everything again in 2,3 years and we will start from zero again. Will it make us more successful in the short-term most likely, will it help us to return to the best and to be upthere also in Europe for the next few years and the future like Bayern or Barca in the last few years, I doubt it.

Pep would be the ideal choice, we need to do everything that he doesn't end up at City.
Mourinho should take a rest, I wouldn't touch him right now. I don't think he has lost his quality, but who knows really. Right now I don't think he would be a appointment without risks and which top club hired a manager who just has been absymal at another top club in the same league?

I did say 'ideally Guardiola' myself, but I think the strong rumours about him being City bound are probably correct.

In which case, Mourinho's CV makes him the obvious and outstanding candidate.

Can't believe some of the sniffiness around appointing him. He's Cristiano Ronaldo to Guardiola's Lionel Messi.

A man at the very top of his profession, and who we know has coveted the United job.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

It's really not. Only if we are just desperate for trophies and a short-term-fix. Otherwise he couldn't be a worse fit to our team. No playstyle/identity, no chances for youth, negative football and he is annoying cnut too. van Gaal did a good rebuild job in the first season and the window after that, he can't do much more for us and like Bayern we need to sack him now, but also like Bayern we need to build on it and make the next step. Mourinho isn't anywhere a good candidate to do that. He would change the whole squad again, wants a complete different style and mentality and will destroy everything again in 2,3 years and we will start from zero again. Will it make us more successful in the short-term most likely, will it help us to return to the best and to be upthere also in Europe for the next few years and the future like Bayern or Barca in the last few years, I doubt it.

Pep would be the ideal choice, we need to do everything that he doesn't end up at City.
Mourinho should take a rest, I wouldn't touch him right now. I don't think he has lost his quality, but who knows really. Right now I don't think he would be a appointment without risks and which top club hired a manager who just has been absymal at another top club in the same league?

This is absolutely bang on! I can't think of a more short sited appointment that Mourinho, he literally goes against every belief we have as a club. I think this is just a case of people being so desperate for LVG to go they will literally just take any big name without actually thinking about what we need to progress.

 

[Catt]

** Can you really see the Glazers handing over the cash required?

No doubt about that. They want us to win trophies so that our income continues to increase, they wont be satisfied with the club lingering around 4th spot.

 

[Pyroblazer]

I did say 'ideally Guardiola' myself, but I think the strong rumours about him being City bound are probably correct.

In which case, Mourinho's CV makes him the obvious and outstanding candidate.

Can't believe some of the sniffiness around appointing him. He's Cristiano Ronaldo to Guardiola's Lionel Messi.

A man at the very top of his profession, and who we know has coveted the United job.

Like I said, if you just want trophies, then yes. Otherwise no. For me United and football in general isn't only about trophies. I want us to play a good style and entertain us, I want us to give our youth players a chance, I want us to build something for the future, I want us to have a plan how we want to play and what we want to achieve and stick with it. Barca did that, Bayern did that and you will find other examples for that too. We had that with Fergie too and it's no suprise that those mentioned teams could dominate not only for 1,2 years but for several seasons. I don't want us to win things, no matter how, for 1,2 years and then be shit again for the 3,4 seasons after and repeat. That's what Chelsea or Real and several other teams do or did and many here laughed about them when we had Fergie in charge. I know we won't get a new Fergie and of course we need to adapt to some extent and realize that things have changed (managers need to be sacked or won't be here forever, we need to spend money to be competitive etc..), but United should still mean something and I don't think Mourinho is a good fit for us at all.

 

[NessunDorma]

Like I said, if you just want trophies, then yes. Otherwise no. For me United and football in general isn't only about trophies. I want us to play a good style and entertain us, I want us to give our youth players a chance, I want us to build something for the future, I want us to have a plan how we want to play and what we want to achieve and stick with it.

Then who do you have in mind if, as seems likely, Guardiola is off to City?

Managers who have a track record of delivering trophies, with an exciting style of play, while bringing youth players through and laying foundations for the future are not exactly ten-a-penny . . .

 

[khoazany]

Then who do you have in mind if, as seems likely, Guardiola is off to City?

Managers who have a track record of delivering trophies, with an exciting style of play, while bringing youth players through and laying foundations for the future are not exactly ten-a-penny . . .

We'll most likely have to compromise one of these factors, but absolutely not the latter 3 just for the first one, and there's no guarantee that Jose will bring us success after he has just failed miserably.He would probably buy a lot of players again and his recent track record of that isn't that good...His arrogant character will likely clash with many people at the club as well, as seems to be the case with LVG currently.

 

[Pyroblazer]

Then who do you have in mind if, as seems likely, Guardiola is off to City?

Managers who have a track record of delivering trophies, with an exciting style of play, while bringing youth players through and laying foundations for the future are not exactly ten-a-penny . . .

I would rather take someone like Pochettino than Mourinho to be honest and I have no problem if people can't understand that because of course he is not as proven as Jose, that's not worth a discussion. There are some other interesting names out there, which wouldn't be my ideal replacement either, but who would be still a better fit than Mourinho imo. There won't be the perfect fit anyway, if Simeone is gettable in summer I would also try the best to get him. He isn't a attacking-minded coach either, but not as cautious in big games as Mourinho and I like how he deals with young players and how he integrates them slowly into the team and he is more likeable too. Of course he needs to prove his worth outside Atletico too and I don't know how good his english is. If Pep is really off to City, it's of course a difficult situation for us, but I don't think it's already over and we really should do everything to get him. If we don't get him, I just hope we still really think about more candidates than Mourinho, I just can't really understand that a lot of here are like "It's Mourinho or no one", when there are really a lot of things, that make him a bad fit for us. But in the end I will still rather take Jose than Giggs, Moyes or another C-tier manager, who will be out of his depth here. But he isn't the ideal choice or candidate for me and I think it's weird that a lot of people here changed their vote to "Yes" in the Mourinho-thread, just because we lost another game. What has changed? Jose is still the same and there are still the same flaws, which made most people here vote for "No". But it seems like we are desperate now and will just take everything to win games and get some silverware in the next few months and that's a route which can cause problems in the long-term.

 

[NessunDorma]

I would rather take someone like Pochettino than Mourinho to be honest and I have no problem if people can't understand that because of course he is not as proven as Jose, that's not worth a discussion.

It would be another Moyes-esque gamble for me. He hasn't really done anything with Tottenham that Moyes hadn't done with Everton. Not saying it wouldn't come off, but I wouldn't want to take that risk at this moment in time.

If Simeone is gettable in summer I would also try the best to get him. He isn't a attacking-minded coach either, but not as cautious in big games as Mourinho and I like how he deals with young players and how he integrates them slowly into the team and he is more likeable too. Of course he needs to prove his worth outside Atletico too and I don't know how good his english is.

It's another gamble, although less risky than Pochettino. We don't know if Simeone's methods would translate to the Premier League, or even whether he as a person would adapt to life in the U.K. - it's not for everyone, as Di Maria has shown. But if we could get him, then sure, he'd be well worth giving a chance to.

But he isn't the ideal choice or candidate for me and I think it's weird that a lot of people here changed their vote to "Yes" in the Mourinho-thread, just because we lost another game. What has changed? Jose is still the same and there are still the same flaws, which made most people here vote for "No". But it seems like we are desperate now and will just take everything to win games and get some silverware in the next few months and that's a route which can cause problems in the long-term.

I'd have taken him last week, and the week before that, and the week before that.

Just as clubs should always be looking to sign the best players, we should be looking to sign the best managers as well. And Jose Mourinho is one of those and available. Even if he only stays for 3 years, and delivers a couple of trophies in that period, it'll help remove any doubts about our ability to remain at the top table of European football. And the next man can come in and take it from there.

 

[Cnaiür urs Skiötha]

Ancelotti at Bayern makes a lot of sense. They could become even more dangerous.

Also Guardiola at City sounds like a perfect fit. He will put together the pieces of the puzzle. I can City see becoming a Major force in Europe on par with Barca, Bayern etc. within the next 1 or 2 seasons.

So with Klopp out of the game and Simeone not being a realistic Option I do not see an alternative to Mourinho. At least his Teams have always been feared. He can get a result against any Team.

 

[Michael T]

Yes. It's in their best interests to do so.

No doubt about that. They want us to win trophies so that our income continues to increase, they wont be satisfied with the club lingering around 4th spot.

How big do people here think the war-chest will have to be to ensure a Pep or Jose would sign on the dotted line, and take on the task of putting us back on top?

 

[Sandikan]

Ancelotti at Bayern makes a lot of sense. They could become even more dangerous.

Also Guardiola at City sounds like a perfect fit. He will put together the pieces of the puzzle. I can City see becoming a Major force in Europe on par with Barca, Bayern etc. within the next 1 or 2 seasons.

So with Klopp out of the game and Simeone not being a realistic Option I do not see an alternative to Mourinho. At least his Teams have always been feared. He can get a result against any Team.

Well, except for this season...

It'll be Giggs though. Caretaker job, trial for the permanent position

 

[crossy1686]

Like most, I've been thinking about this all weekend.

After hearing Van Gaal's post match comments and seeing the forlorn figure he's currently cutting, he know's his time is up and he's probably at home now, looking at retirement homes waiting for the axe to swing. I believe we haven't cut him loose yet because we're doing everything within our power to convince Pep to join us. If we weren't, we'd let Van Gaal go once we'd sounded out Mourinho, which I'm pretty sure would be happening right now if we knew we weren't in with a shout of convincing Pep to join us.

I also read somewhere online that we contacted Ancelotti last week but he told us Bayern was his first option. We really do need to make the right appointment this time. We can't afford to fall any further behind.

 

[Catt]

How big do people here think the war-chest will have to be to ensure a Pep or Jose would sign on the dotted line, and take on the task of putting us back on top?

I'm not sure managers ask for a specific figure?, but they obviously know we're a very wealthy club so don't see that being a issue.

 

[Bazi]

Reports from Germany indicate that Pep already knows where he will go next. He reportedly told Karl-Heinz Rummenigge at Bayern's Christmas Party. Anybody familiar with the process behind courting and hiring Pep knows that contacting him now, or a couple of weeks ago, would be far too late to change his mind.

Everything points towards him taking over Manchester City next summer. A club that has been trying to hire jim for almost four years and has a close personal friend of Guardiola's at the top of their football organization.

I fear United's options are being taken away from them though Mourinho certainly is still a top quality option.

 

[Triple.Threat]

 

[VII]

Ideally, Guardiola, but the situation has presented itself for Jose to seek redemption at United in an attempt to restore the team to glory. It's basically a film script.

^This^

And I don't think Jose will hop to another club if given the United job. Make no mistake, this is the job he really wanted, he was practically begging for the job and definitely wasn't kissing SAF's and United's ass all those years for nothing. Just that the timing was unfortunate as he's already given his word to Abramovich.

 

[nick2004]

Moyes is available, too.

 

[Spock]

Ancelotti at Bayern makes a lot of sense. They could become even more dangerous.

Also Guardiola at City sounds like a perfect fit. He will put together the pieces of the puzzle. I can City see becoming a Major force in Europe on par with Barca, Bayern etc. within the next 1 or 2 seasons.

So with Klopp out of the game and Simeone not being a realistic Option I do not see an alternative to Mourinho. At least his Teams have always been feared. He can get a result against any Team.

Perfectly stated.

My first choice would be Simeone, but that's not realistic. Go with Jose ASAP.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Why is there so many rumours of Mou taking over? I hope it isn't true.
Mou will have a checklist starting like this for Utd:

- Sell Mata. I hate him.
- Sell/Loan Lingard, JB, Varela, Tuanzebe etc

 

[Member 5225]

Why is there so many rumours of Mou taking over? I hope it isn't true.
Mou will have a checklist starting like this for Utd:

- Sell Mata. I hate him.
- Sell/Loan Lingard, JB, Varela, Tuanzebe etc

Why? Err cos he's a serial winner and something our club need (a winner)!

Ps and let's be honest, who's done better post the Mata transfer?

 

[RedDevil@84]

Why? Err cos he's a serial winner and something our club need (a winner)!

Ps and let's be honest, who's done better post the Mata transfer?

It is not his winning abilities that are a problem. His whole attitude of I am the best coupled with huge ego and a "OMG!! The world is against us" and the moans accompanying the same, is something I feel would create more problems than solutions. Over a longer period of time, I feel he doesn't have the patience to build something of a legacy. Instant results seem guaranteed though.

PS: Our doing well or not doing well does not completely depend on Mata. I just put it that he doesnt like him.

 

[Member 5225]

It is not his winning abilities that are a problem. His whole attitude of I am the best coupled with huge ego and a "OMG!! The world is against us" and the moans accompanying the same, is something I feel would create more problems than solutions. Over a longer period of time, I feel he doesn't have the patience to build something of a legacy. Instant results seem guaranteed though.

PS: Our doing well or not doing well does not completely depend on Mata. I just put it that he doesnt like him.

Fergie never did that re refs and the FA etc right?

 

[Spock]

Like Jose, Ferguson was a bit of an emotional wrecking ball. Like Ferguson, Jose has won trophies in England.

 

[.Rossi]

Wrestlemania main event?

 

[Member 5225]

Like Jose, Ferguson was a bit of an emotional wrecking ball. Like Ferguson, Jose has won trophies in England.

And let's not forget our other saints like Cantona, Keane, etc.
We love a flawed genius, let's just admit it and lap it up finally

 

[Member 5225]

Ed Woodward will explore the possibility of signing Pep Guardiola in the close season [guardian]

Bollox - we're dithering. This has 'won't get either Pep or Jose' written all over it

 

[Hal9000]

For me it's a toss up between Pep and Jose. I would of actually taken Ancelotti other both to be fair.

I love Pep style of play, but personally not sure how it would suit the Premier League, and whilst he's dominated every league he's been in. He's done it at Barca and Bayern, two teams already at the top of there league. Not proven himself yet to come and build/rebuild a team and get it winning. He'd have a lot of work to do here.

Mourinho, well everyone forgets he's learned his trade under LVG. Everyone remembers the boring boring Chelsea label under him and i'd fear it be more of the same if he came in, but least he's proven to know how to win titles, even with average squads. He also doesn't trust youth.

Ancelotti for me would of been key, attacking stlye of play, great tactician, has done it everywhere and knows how to build a team.

 

[Blackwidow]

Reports from Germany indicate that Pep already knows where he will go next. He reportedly told Karl-Heinz Rummenigge at Bayern's Christmas Party. Anybody familiar with the process behind courting and hiring Pep knows that contacting him now, or a couple of weeks ago, would be far too late to change his mind.

Everything points towards him taking over Manchester City next summer. A club that has been trying to hire jim for almost four years and has a close personal friend of Guardiola's at the top of their football organization.

I fear United's options are being taken away from them though Mourinho certainly is still a top quality option.

Interesting is that Ancelotti told Rummenigge that he would like to manage Bayern already in January when they met and talked at the FIFA award show.

Interview in BILD:
Seit Sonntag ist es amtlich: Pep Guardiola (44) verlässt den FC Bayern zum Saisonende. Und Carlo Ancelotti (56) wird im Sommer den Rekordmeister übernehmen. In BILD spricht Bayerns Vorstands-Chef Karl-Heinz Rummenigge (60) über den spektakulärsten Trainer-Wechsel der Liga....

Translation : Google-Translator

Since Sunday it's official: Pep Guardiola (44) is leaving Bayern at end of season. And Carlo Ancelotti (56) will take over the giants in the summer. In picture speaks Bayern chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge (60) over the spectacular change of trainer-League.

BILD: Mr Rummenigge, why you could not keep Pep Guardiola as a coach?
Rummenigge: "We must not forget: Pep is a young person, and the FC Bayern is only his second coach body. He wants to make a new experience. It was so similar indeed in Barcelona. Pep looking for a challenge. "
IMAGE: Or pay Manchester City just over the FC Bayern?
Rummenigge: "We have not talked in our discussions on Financial. But there will always be clubs that pay even more than Bayern. Just clubs from England! Also on the squad Pep had nothing to complain about. But on the contrary. That's why I'm not disappointed in him. "

IMAGE: When you felt the first time that it would be difficult to extend the contract with him?
Rummenigge: "That was the end of September. Because I suddenly heard nuances that you had to interpret. We have but that does not let on and wanted to give him time to decide alone. At the Christmas party two weeks ago he came to me. He told me that he is looking for a new challenge and has almost apologized. It clearly was hard. I could see that the FC Bayern and its fans Pep Guardiola are really grown to love. "

IMAGE: Pep had repeatedly with physicians trouble. Has that led to his departure?
Rummenigge: "Not at all. Pep is always a bit emotional when a player violates fails. There was always speculation that Matthias Sammer and Pep have problems. That's nonsense."
BILD: Has Pep Guardiola ever met expectations, if he should not win League for the third year the Champions?
Rummenigge: "If a coach Master would three times in three years, we would be very happy. Point. Of course we also want to win the Champions League. I wish Pep and very good-bye - as Jupp Heynckes won the Triple goodbye. I am convinced that team coach and will now work even more intensively on it and achieve great things -. Just because now it is clear that Pep will leave Bayern "

BILD: How Pep has changed to Bayern?
Rummenigge: "His great name, his image, his tactics, his perfection - all this has been good for Bayern Munich. I can see the training ground from my office and I am still impressed by the intensity and detail Love Pep directs the units. "

IMAGE: Three years ago, Guardiola wished on a legendary press conference a transfer when he said: ". Thiago - or nix" Will he requested from his expected new club Manchester City: "Thiago - or nothing"? Or another player poach?
Rummenigge: "I can rule. We no agreement expires end of the season. "
BILD: Has Pep told you where he's going?
Rummenigge: "I think I know where he's going. But I want to leave the promulgation him or his new employer. "

IMAGE: Peps successor at Bayern is Carlo Ancelotti. Goods and Jürgen Klopp or Jogi Löw an issue?
Rummenigge: "Since we had to deal with the issue of who could be the successor to Pep, we came quickly to Carlo. All in the team are convinced that Bayern and Carlo Ancelotti very good match. When he was still coach at Real Madrid in January, we arrived at the World Footballer election in Zurich this week. He has indicated to me that he would love to train once the FC Bayern. Nevertheless, it was to bind a formidable challenge and effort in the last few weeks and days, Carlo. Half of Europe wanted him so have. "
BILD: Why is Carlo Ancelotti is the right coach for Bayern Munich?
Rummenigge: "Carlo Ancelotti has everywhere had success as a coach. At Juventus, Milan, Chelsea, Paris, Real Madrid. He has won three times the Champions League. This is still a record, and of course he has the quality. It suits us. Very easily."
BILD: What kind of coach types need Bayern because fundamentally by Pep?
Rummenigge: "Carlo is a calm, balanced professional who can deal with Stars and lets you play a variant-rich football - we were looking for, which we have found."

IMAGE: Again comes a coach who does not speak German.
Rummenigge: "Carlo learns but already! When we spoke on the phone this week, he said: 'How are you' - and that charms him our difficult language?. He already dominated the French, English and Spanish. "
BILD: What a trainer team he brings?
Rummenigge: "These things we will concretize. But one thing is already clear: Hermann Gerland remains assistant coach ".
BILD: Why Ancelotti is looking forward to Bayern?
Rummenigge: "Bayern is one of the three best clubs in Europe, probably in the world. This helps of course. We wanted Carlo, but Carlo wants to Bayern. He likes our players and the culture and history of our club. "

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I doubt he'll ever change that aspect of his managerial repertoire

If he can't, then I see no point in hiring him. I'd rather we go for a young manager with potential like Pochettino than turn United into another Chelsea who refuse to play the youth in their ranks.

But I don't see why he would refuse to change.

 

[kps88]

LVG came in with a reputation for loving youth and promptly got rid of Cleverley, Welbeck, Januzaj and Wilson. Our brightest youth prospects weren't deemed good enough so I'm not sure why some expect Mourinho to come in and play the youngsters.

 

[khoazany]

If he can't, then I see no point in hiring him. I'd rather we go for a young manager with potential like Pochettino than turn United into another Chelsea who refuse to play the youth in their ranks.

But I don't see why he would refuse to change.

Because Mourinho is a manager who just don't want to take risk.It's always a risk to play someone unproven regardless of their talents especially 99% of young players will have their ups and downs and that is just too uncertain for him.If RLC one of England's brightest youth talents couldn't get games at Chelsea (not even make the bench recently?) I struggle to see how he can bring any youth through here unless we have a new Messi/Ronaldo in the rank.

I doubt Pogba would even make it at a club managed by Mourinho (assuming he stays).

I'm a big fan of Pochettino but obviously not proven enough for the caf, and probably the board.Also, Levi.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Because Mourinho is a manager who just don't want to take risk.It's always a risk to play someone unproven regardless of their talents especially 99% of young players will have their ups and downs and that is just too uncertain for him.If RLC one of England's brightest youth talents couldn't get games at Chelsea (not even make the bench recently?) I struggle to see how he can bring any youth through here unless we have a new Messi/Ronaldo in the rank.

I doubt Pogba would even make it at a club managed by Mourinho (assuming he stays).

I'm a big fan of Pochettino but obviously not proven enough for the caf, and probably the board.Also, Levi.

The first bit is a worry, and for me the reason he's not necessarily the best fit for Manchester United.

Thing with the "proven" bit is, if you don't get Pep and Mourinho isn't a good fit, then you have to go with someone with big potential and who has shown some good track record even if not top drawer yet.

 

[Treble]

Will he requested from his expected new club Manchester City: "Thiago - or nothing"? Or another player poach?
Rummenigge: "I can rule. We no agreement expires end of the season. "
BILD: Has Pep told you where he's going?
Rummenigge: "I think I know where he's going. But I want to leave the promulgation him or his new employer. "

This strongly indicates that Pep's going to City. Personally, I don't have any doubts about that.

 

[legball]

Because Mourinho is a manager who just don't want to take risk.It's always a risk to play someone unproven regardless of their talents especially 99% of young players will have their ups and downs and that is just too uncertain for him.If RLC one of England's brightest youth talents couldn't get games at Chelsea (not even make the bench recently?) I struggle to see how he can bring any youth through here unless we have a new Messi/Ronaldo in the rank.

I doubt Pogba would even make it at a club managed by Mourinho (assuming he stays).

I'm a big fan of Pochettino but obviously not proven enough for the caf, and probably the board.Also, Levi.

And he made it at United under Ferguson?

 

[amolbhatia50k]

This strongly indicates that Pep's going to City. Personally, I don't have any doubts about that.

Yeah it doesn't seem like it's us I'm afraid.

 

[khoazany]

And he made it at United under Ferguson?

As I've stated,assuming he stays.No doubt he would make it if he stayed.Fergie just thought he's not ready yet at that age and he couldn't be patient enough plus influence from the agent.

Fergie in his last few years isn't the best example of a manager who bring youth through either, though he's no where as bad as Mourinho for that matter.

I don't want to sound too much like an anti-Mou here (I am though) but it's already a fact that Mourinho and youth doesn't go together.If we're fine with that then fine.

 

[legball]

Some United fans wants a manager that would ;

Win,
Stay to the tradtions of the club [whatever that means],
Play good football,
Promote young players [whether they are good or not, doesn't matter],
Stay for many years,
Be a nice guy [not pick fight with referee, a true gentle man].

The problem is, this manager does NOT exist.

Whether we get Mourinho or Guardiola, or Ferguson comes back, we still need to address most of the squad issues via the transfer market; a manager is not going to use the young players because it's a tradition, he'll do it because/if he thinks the player is good enough or can contribute. If he thinks they can't, he'll sign from somewhere, this is 2015, not 1984.

Bringing through yough and attacking football isn't a tradition, it's what Ferguson did, other managers may or may not do it, doesn't change Manchester United. Our should we only employ managers that play a flat 4-4-2 with wingers, because it's a tradition? I think we should drop the tradition thing, your tradition or club philosophy [i hate that word] is what your current manager achieves success with, simple. Bayern, a perfect example.

Staying for many years depends on a lot of factors, but you have to be successful to earn that right. And what if the manager is successful, and decides like Guardiola, that he wants to leave? Do you force him to stay as its some form of tradition?

And the last one, about Mourinho being nasty, a cnut etc. So too was Ferguson, and so too is Guardiola, the only nice guy manager at the top right now is Ancelotti, and he has signed for Bayern Munich.

We need to drop all that romantic sentiment about being different and being a gentleman's club, what we need right now is to win, there's a lot of doubts over United as a club right now, we need the best manager around to get us back to winning ways as soon as possible. If Guardiola is available then he'll be my choice, but if he has signed for Manchester City [as it looks likely] then we have to get the next best manager out there, and that is Jose Mourinho. I believe he should have been the perfect person to replace Ferguson, but we went with Moyes, in keeping with that tradition nonsense. Let's not make that mistake again.