Jose Mourinho vs Pep Guardiola vs Carlo Ancelotti

Ideal next manager of Man United

  • Jose Mourinho

    Votes: 60 14.4%

  • Pep Guardiola

    Votes: 306 73.4%

  • Carlo Ancelotti

    Votes: 51 12.2%
  • Total voters
    417
Santiago_KinderBueno said:
If mourhino is better than anvelotti for winning things with porto & inter; he is better than guardiola, only winning things at barcelona.

I do find the love for guardiola a bit weird since not winning the CL with bayern would be a big failure with almost none opposition.
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None opposition? What? Barca and Real Madrid aren't opposition.

All the major teams want to win the European cup. But you need luck especially with injuries. Guardiola was missing Alaba, Robben and Ribery last season against Barca. That's like Barca missing Alves, Neymar and Messi.
 
Guardiola, by a mile. The question marks over whether he could do it without a ready made world beating team are valid, but he has a strong vision and a fearsome reputation.

Ancelotti next. Hes a cup manager for me but he has the credentials and people respect him.

Jose currently is not the right fit. Hes too much of a personality and a bit of a joke figure at the moment in the UK.
 
redmeister said:
However you try and spin it, he still took over in a far better position than Rijkaard did. As I've pointed out in the previous 3 seasons they had finished 4th, 4th and 6th. They were in a real mess, much worse than when Pep took over. Yet even an average coach like Rijkaard, when working in the Barca structure was able to win both La Liga and the CL. So it shows there are very good reasons why people should be unsure about Pep. It's doesn't mean he's not good, but simply that it's hard to tell. I don't get why there is this resistance to that kind of very reasonable thinking. Look at how the Spanish team was dominating internationally at that time, with Xavi and Iniesta at the heart of it. They were the best players at Euro 2008. Am I supposed to believe Luis Aragones is an amazing coach, as Spain were pretty fantastic at that time and this was before Pep? Then when Pep left Barca, didn't they win the league with their best ever points total, despite Tito (RIP) being seriously ill and having to manage without him for much of the season. Isn't that a real head feck for you? If Pep was so vital to Barca's success, then how can he be replaced so easily by someone who is only there part time? Is Luis Enrique an amazing manager?
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Good post.
 
Jose > Carlo > Pep

Pep has only worked with the Barca super-team and with Bayern (that has zero opponents in their domestic league).

Carlo has done it everywhere.

Jose has done it everywhere, more successfully than Carlo.
 
Pep is easily the best choice.

Ancelotti is a good choice.

Mourinho I don't want anywhere near the United job.
 
I think that all depends on who you are and what you want.

For your club in my opinion Ancelotti even would be the best choice after van Gaal. He is a type like Heynckes - he can smooth the waves, build on the system and make some necessary changes like getting better attacking players and succeed with it.
 
Between Ancelotti and Pep for me. The only thing holding Pep back is the 2 teams he has managed happened to be the best and 2nd best in the world. And it's not like it was him making it like that really. When he took over Barca, sure they May have been inconsistent before and he made them click, but they were a team growing and ready to become the great team they were any day really. Messi, xavi, iniesta, etoo, Henry, and having the likes of ibra, David Villa, Dani Alves, etc... Was a team that couldn't fail. But then again, I think he made them even better then their normal level.

He took over Bayern after they won the treble and loads of world class players group out, in a league with 1 team anywhere close to them, and even then, Bayern easily poaches their players. It's always going to be a question mark with him until he is successful with any team that isn't one of the big 3 really. Can he recreate his dominance if the players at his disposal aren't basically the best or second best in the world for their positions?

Mourinho is still a great manager, but his style would irk me and I'm just tired of shit football. We had shit football in fergies latter years, and it's gotten so much worse since then, only now the results have also gotten worse. Someone to get us exciting to watch again is main for me, don't care too much about the results for immediate future.

Ancelotti is best of both worlds. Won loads of trophies, plays good football but also adaptable to what the team has. Might stay for more then just 3 years like pep or Mourinho would, at a good age, not afraid to spend the money, proven even at teams who weren't the absolute best.
 
Pep or Ancelotti. Mourinho has too much baggage, not worth it.
 
The problem with Pep is his 3-year-plan. Adapting to a league and to a team, making this team his own, making necessary transfers (especially if he would end one job in June and take over in July) is very difficult in that time frame if the team is still on the evolution stage your team is right now.

If there is not enough patience with van Gaal then I think Ancelotti would be the right choice. The problem is not the system right now but that you need smart additions to the team - and the transfer market will not be different now than it was in summer. You still need one or two relieable offensive players to be able to let the young ones grow with them. I am not even sure it should be one of the usual muppets - maybe an experienced but relieable middle class player would be something that would help you more.
 
I had an odd dream where we signed Hiddink to replace Giggs as LVGs assistant with a view to taking over the team at the end of the year. On a side note are people forgetting Harry is available!? THE Harry Redknapp?
 
Ancelotti will go to Bayern
Guardiola to Chelsea
Mourinho to Real

and we will get Ryan Giggs
 
Trizy said:
He spent a fortune at Chelsea and Inter (plus a good core at Inter) though and Porto was a good team to be fair. I rate him as one of the best of course but people make it out sometimes that he won trophies with Everton.
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Lol. I'm not saying he won trophies with Everton. I'm just saying he won things with far less resources than Pep or Carlo. You have to say what he did with inter and Porto was remarkable. He deserves much more respect for Jose winning the CL with those clubs.

In fact one could argue that the more money Jose spent the less impressive were his achievements.

By contrast Pep has rocked up to Barca and Bayern where some of the best players ever were already plying their trade. An Carlos best days were funded by Berlusconi.

Style and personality aside, from a pure football history point of view Jose has achieved more than both of the other two IMO. We shouldn't confuse not liking him with not giving him proper recognition.
 
A point to add regarding Ancelotti's lack of league wins in Italy (in addition to what has already been mentioned, like the strength of the opposition) is the role of Berlusconi: He was on Ancelotti's case early on because he found him too cagey, wanted him to play a more high risk game, etc. It's impossible to claim outright that a more cagey approach would have won him more leagues, but it's a point worth mentioning. Berlusconi also wanted Milan to shine in Europe - that was a clear priority. And Ancelotti delivered in that regard - undeniably so.

A final, and obvious, point which should be made is that he won the league in England on his first attempt - and in fine style too, most would say.
 
I think football tradition counts for something. If I had a restaurant and I suddenly decided to change my famous recipe, I'd have to expect that my customers won't be happy. In a way that is what's happening with LvG; people are as annoyed with the style of football as they are with the results. We should be looking for a coach not based on how successful he's been, we should be looking for one who can be successful while delivering the flavor we are used to or as close to it as possible.

They are all good, proven coaches, but from that list, the best fit for us would be Ancelotti first, Guardiola second, and Mou last.
 
It's funny that after all the complaining on these forums about LVGs style of play, some people actually want to suffer another few years of tumescent football by hiring Mourinho. Sure he's s good manager but so is LVG, but if they can't play attacking football in the Utd way then they can find another job.
 
I think Pep above the other two in the OP but there are other options... Mourinho would be my last choice of the three.

As mentioned above, Blanc should probably be considered. I really like Pochettino and although many would likely baulk at the thought, I think Quieroz could be a great fit.
 
zain said:
Where is all this love for Ancelotti coming from?

I don't get why Ancelotti is being rated higher than Jose who has won leagues and trebles with much weaker teams than Ancelotti ever had.
Jose has done it against the likes of Fergie and one of the greatest Barcelona teams of all time.

Ancelotti is a cup manager for me for the most part.

Pep or Jose for me..
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Jose can't sustain it. Eventually after 2.5 seasons everything he builds comes crumbling down. He has a destructive personality.
 
Pep = Jose >> Ancelotti.

Like Ancelotti, but he is not in the class of those two managers.
 
I voted Guardiola as the ideal man but he may need a world class squad to work with, also the same with Ancelotti. However Mourinho could win the league with this current squad and challenge for the champs league immediately whereas Carlo and Pep would more than likely need more time to build a style and squad. Jose has a track record of squeezing success out of average squads and can also work well with excellent squads.

Mourinho might just be the right person, at the right time, with the right squad. I think hes the best choice to steer this ship for the next 3 years.
 
Jose is a twat, but he doesn't help his cause by managing toxic clubs with lunatic chairmen.
 
As mentioned in the other thread am warming to the idea of Jose Mourinho now.
I wanted him to replace SAF but his last 18months have made me despise him.
However, he's still a top5 manager in the world IMO.
Am not bothered by his football (winning is everything to me), but his brash arrogant approach.
But maybe having a SAF or Bobby Charlton to keep him in check, have a sounding board etc might work wonders?
Esp now in this state as he'd be as hungry as ever, esp in England.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
A point to add regarding Ancelotti's lack of league wins in Italy (in addition to what has already been mentioned, like the strength of the opposition) is the role of Berlusconi: He was on Ancelotti's case early on because he found him too cagey, wanted him to play a more high risk game, etc. It's impossible to claim outright that a more cagey approach would have won him more leagues, but it's a point worth mentioning. Berlusconi also wanted Milan to shine in Europe - that was a clear priority. And Ancelotti delivered in that regard - undeniably so.

A final, and obvious, point which should be made is that he won the league in England on his first attempt - and in fine style too, most would say.
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Did you watch that Milan side? They were one of the most cagey sides that era had seen.

Plus the 2nd CL they won, was at the expense of the league. This went way beyond being cagey. They rested all their players in the league game before the return semi final against United, while we literally staggered to a win against Everton. For some reason the same people rating Ancelotti for that win discount Benitez' win in 2005 because of his neglect of the league campaign.

That's overlooking the times they lost in the CL (the disaster at La Coruna, Istanbul). Meagre trophy haul with an excellent team, no two ways about that.
 
adexkola said:
Did you watch that Milan side? They were one of the most cagey sides that era had seen.
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Many times. And all's relative. Most Italian sides of that era were cagey. * Not least in Europe - and I suppose old Silvio was okay with that. It's a fact, at any rate, that Berlusconi wanted Ancelotti to set up in a more attacking fashion - and that Ancelotti did change his approach as a result of this pressure. Whether it resulted in champagne football by our standards or not - is another matter altogether.

Personally, I liked that side. It was a very, if one can put it like that, clever side - and it had plenty of flair too.

* Domestically, he competed against the likes of Lippi and Capello, who both beat him to the title with rather tight teams that conceded less than Carlo's Milan. Mancini's Inter both conceded less and scored considerably less. It obviously isn't a contrast between free flowing attacking football and catenaccio, but still - all's relative, again.
 
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