Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

Why is it an amazing statistic? Genghis Khan could have been leader of the Labour party and I would have voted Remain.

Because based on the geographic spread of votes I assumed it was overwhelmingly Labour voters that had voted leave, and were about to become UKIP voters in a snap election. This data indicates that if the Cons and UKIP cannot unite, a centre-left (Libs + Lab supported by SNP) coalition would win a FPTP election (not necessarily voteshare but seats)
 
Because based on the geographic spread of votes I assumed it was overwhelmingly Labour voters that had voted leave, and were about to become UKIP voters in a snap election. This data indicates that if the Cons and UKIP cannot unite, a centre-left (Libs + Lab supported by SNP) coalition would win a FPTP election (not necessarily voteshare but seats)

Not if metropolitan Labour voters are unsure of the party's commitment to the EU. This is the point I am making. Right now - Labour isn't necessarily seen as an alternative.

It was overwhelmingly Labour voters in the metropolitan areas.
 
Guardian: Jeremy Corbyn plans to address a rally of grassroots supporters at the gates of parliament tonight after facing down his critics within the Parliamentary Labour party.

Labour’s leader will at first attend a crucial meeting of MPs where he is expected to face calls for his resignation including former members of his shadow cabinet.

But after calling for party unity, he plans to address a Momentum rally on Parliament Square, 20 yards from the parliamentary estate, sources said.

He may well be flanked at the rally by up to 20 MPs, who among those who remain loyal to Labour’s leader.

The address will offer a stark reminder to MPs that Corbyn’s support remains outside the Parliamentary party which has always been hostile towards him.

A source close to his office confirmed that he would address the rally following the PLP meeting. Corbyn also thanked Diane Abbott for the casserole.
 
Maybe you would have; that doesn't mean it'd have been the case for others. The problem here is that while people are saying Corbyn should resign after his supposed failure during the EU referendum...there hasn't really been any, unless you think Sturgeon should resign from the SNP as well. Which would clearly be fecking madness.

There's plenty of reasons for Corbyn to go, but this really isn't one of them, and anyone thinking that Dan Jarvis, Chuka Ummuna, or Tony Blairiband would've reaped better results is probably just looking for a way to get Corbyn out. No Remain party was able to secure all of their voters to go that way, including the Lib Dems and SNP.

It's a manufactured crisis in the party which has now become very real. A reckless gamble from the MPs who started it. David Cameron would be impressed.
 
That is an amazing statistic and should change the minds of the people here (if not the PLP). Source?

This is from Lord Ashcroft Polls, I've seen other sources with similar numbers:
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http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/
 
For any Labour voters here (either lapsed on current) that do not think Corbyn should continue in his post, you can send a letter off to your MP/chair of the PLP via this - https://www.savinglabour.com/

Momentum will be doing exactly the same thing, so it's important to have your voice be heard equally.
 
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Kind of ironic that Corbyn and the people that (genuinely) share his politics make up the 21%.

Perhaps he could have tried reaching out to those old socialist thinkers to change their mind?

That graphic overlooks the UKIP voters that were traditionally Labour as well.
 
Looks like personal grievances and the lust for power is more important than old hokey things like loyalty and duty. The SavingLabour website may as well be called MakeLabourMoreLikeTheTories.
 
For any Labour voters here (either lapsed on current) that do not think Corbyn should continue in his post, you can send a letter off to your MP/chair of the PLP via this - https://www.savinglabour.com/

Momentum will be doing exactly the same thing, so it's important to have your voice be heard equally.

I've already filled it in 12,000 times with fake names from the Vatican using a bot.
 
That graphic overlooks the UKIP voters that were traditionally Labour as well.

Which amounted to how many?

It's not like it's Corbyns fault they went to UKIP either. They were lost by the people currently trying to boot him out. They will blame him for not getting those voters back, but it's harder to regain trust than it is to get it for the first time.
 
I'll credit Corbyn with being an honest man. Unless he confirms in public that he voted remain then I will take that as admission by omission that he voted leave. I don't believe he would flat out lie to the electorate.

Nice mental gymnastics there.
 
Not really. He can discredit the coup by admitting that he voted remain. I bet he won't though.

You know as well as I do that he doesn't like giving stupid questions like that the time of day. He nearly punched that bloke the other day who kept asking if he wants to be Prime Minister. He hasn't been asked publicly as far as I'm aware anyway. Just Chris Bryant being a prick.

What is and will continue to happen that Corbyn will get bombarded with a barrage of accusations like this so he can either wear himself down answering them all, or ignore them and let people speculate. It's fecking disgraceful from those doing it, and I'm surprised at people buying into it.
 
You know as well as I do that he doesn't like giving stupid questions like that the time of day. He nearly punched that bloke the other day who kept asking if he wants to be Prime Minister. He hasn't been asked publicly as far as I'm aware anyway. Just Chris Bryant being a prick.

What is and will continue to happen that Corbyn will get bombarded with a barrage of accusations like this so he can either wear himself down answering them all, or ignore them and let people speculate. It's fecking disgraceful from those doing it, and I'm surprised at people buying into it.

I would call that mental gymnastics.
 
I'll credit Corbyn with being an honest man. Unless he confirms in public that he voted remain then I will take that as admission by omission that he voted leave. I don't believe he would flat out lie to the electorate.


He already has confirmed he voted Remain. He tweeted it on the day he voted. This myth that he voted Leave is being peddled by those with an agenda.
 
Looks like personal grievances and the lust for power is more important than old hokey things like loyalty and duty. The SavingLabour website may as well be called MakeLabourMoreLikeTheTories.
Some feel more of a sense of loyalty and duty to people around the country who do not want a Boris Johnson government in control, rather than an incompetent leader who has lost the confidence of the MPs he's supposed to lead in parliament.
 
He already has confirmed he voted Remain. He tweeted it on the day he voted. This myth that he voted Leave is being peddled by those with an agenda.

True enough. I will take that as confirmation. Still, he could have been more active to reach out to the Labour Leave voters, there was no one better than him to do so.
 
Some feel more of a sense of loyalty and duty to people around the country who do not want a Boris Johnson government in control, rather than an incompetent leader who has lost the confidence of the MPs he's supposed to lead in parliament.

Oh feck off. "Our sense of loyalty and duty is more valid than yours".
 
I'll credit Corbyn with being an honest man. Unless he confirms in public that he voted remain then I will take that as admission by omission that he voted leave. I don't believe he would flat out lie to the electorate.

You're falling for spin.

 
Oh feck off. "Our sense of loyalty and duty is more valid than yours".
Didn't mention anything about validity, just responding to someone questioning mine.
 
Are you one of the Shadow Cabinet ministers involved in the coup? The plot thickens...
You referenced the website I linked and said it was to promote Toryism. Seemed fairly aimed at me.
 
Will you at least accept that Chris Bryant is a cnut, and maybe just maybe, a lot of the accusations coming out are stitch ups?

I am not really bothered. Corbyn is a good man but now we are out of the EU I want the country to be saved from Boris Johnson. I would class myself as a centre left pragmatist so want Corbyn out and an electable leader in his place ready to take on the Tories.
 
Didn't mention anything about validity, just responding to someone questioning mine.

It's what you implied in your statement and it's something I've heard time and time again, frankly I'm sick of it.

If it's so right they can prove it in the polls. Don't keep telling us that you know better, fail miserably at knowing better, and then tell us some more that you know better. It's about as effective as telling people that ISIS would vote for Brexit.
 
I am not really bothered. Corbyn is a good man but now we are out of the EU I want the country to be saved from Boris Johnson. I would class myself as a centre left pragmatist so want Corbyn out and an electable leader in his place ready to take on the Tories.

So you're bothered as long the argument hasn't been challenged - as soon as the cracks appear you become the kind of pragmatist that ignores the only actual evidence available. You WOULD make a good Labour MP!
 
It's what you implied in your statement and it's something I've heard time and time again, frankly I'm sick of it.

If it's so right they can prove it in the polls. Don't keep telling us that you know better, fail miserably at knowing better, and then tell us some more that you know better. It's about as effective as telling people that ISIS would vote for Brexit.
And you keep apologising for someone that has shown himself to be incompetent, continually. And who's performed worse than Ed Miliband did in elections and poll ratings, continually.

I'm not gonna tell you to feck off because I'm not a dick, but it's probably best we stick each other on ignore, we aren't going to agree on anything, seems clear.
 
And you keep apologising for someone that has shown himself to be incompetent, continually. And who's performed worse than Ed Miliband did in elections and poll ratings, continually.

I'm not gonna tell you to feck off because I'm not a dick, but it's probably best we stick each other on ignore, we aren't going to agree on anything, seems clear.

That's the sneakiest way of telling someone to feck off I've ever seen.
 
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Pictured: Shamwow outside Parliament today

Corbyn has announced new shadow cabinet on twitter:



New appointments that were not announced earlier:

Barry Gardiner - shadow energy secretary
Richard Burgon - shadow justice secretary
Angela Rayner - shadow minister for women and equalities
Debbie Abrahams - shadow work and pension secretary