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I keep hearing this but I'm not seeing the parallels. The Labour Party isn't the military.Dan Jarvis... leading special forces units and all that
I keep hearing this but I'm not seeing the parallels. The Labour Party isn't the military.Dan Jarvis... leading special forces units and all that
Dunno - there is a fairly open Civil War in the Labour partyI keep hearing this but I'm not seeing the parallels. The Labour Party isn't the military.
That's all good and dandy but I doubt Labour's core supporters or activists are going to care that their leader has a few war medals. The only ones I see giving a damn are the Daily Mail and the Little Englanders.Dunno - there is a fairly open Civil War in the Labour party
I would say though that through my professional career I have met with and worked with some fairly senior ex military folks and the leadership and management training they get (getting the best out of people and making them work as a team) is fantastic and translates well into non military environments
That's all good and dandy but I doubt Labour's core supporters or activists are going to care that their leader has a few war medals. The only ones I see giving a damn are the Daily Mail and the Little Englanders.
Does he even want the job? Last I heard he had no intention running, unless that was a Michael Gove 'no intention of running'.
You've described two things that make Corbyn stubborn and/or consistent. They have nothing to do with leadership.
Name a Labour alternative you'd consider a good leader.
And for heaven's sake man, don't say David Milliband.
We accuse Corbyn of weak leadership, yet you're suggesting Chukka Umunna, the initial frontrunner who pulled out of the last labour election because the pressure got to him. Yeah no thanks.To be fair, Chuka Umunna is fantastic. He could get the leadership without too much hassle IMO and be the best option - but he doesn't want it, which is a crying shame.
Chuka Ummuna. The man who dislikes comparisons with Barrack Obama but changed his own Wikipedia page to compare himself to Barrack Obama. Conceited.
We accuse Corbyn of weak leadership, yet you're suggesting Chukka Umunna, the initial frontrunner who pulled out of the last labour election because the pressure got to him. Yeah no thanks.
Perhaps he can stick to editing his own Wikipedia article.
If it's just the word "strong" that's at issue, perhaps we can just agree that he's a "bad" leader?Well it's easy to throw around different descriptors. I'd consider an unshakeable conviction to their vision as quite important in leadership.
My point really was that 'strong' is a meaningless but carefully selected word they've chosen (along with nice)and others are parroting. The inference being that he's not just a bad leader but also weak, I don't think that's true at all.
It just shows they can't present the real reasoning behind their actions.
Come on. It was him. The Independent ran the best article about it.I mean, there's no actual evidence that it was him who edited it, is there? It was just from a firm he used to work for. He's said or done nothing wrong relating to that incident since.
Some people just aren't in politics for all the 'glory'. Look at the shit that gets thrown up on any major player in politics today, their whole lives are splattered over the tabloids - it's comparable to being a leading PL footballer at times. I completely understand why he wouldn't want to become a Labour leader to protect his private life - it doesn't mean that I'm wrong to think he'd still be an outstanding leader if he wanted to be one.
Come on. It was him. The Independent ran the best article about it.
BlairWonder if Kinnock would take the job again.
Mandelson's eligible.Blair
Name a Labour alternative you'd consider a good leader.
And for heaven's sake man, don't say David Milliband.
The members aren't on Angela Eagle's side though.I think it speaks volumes that Kinnock now seems to be trying to relive the good old days when he fought the left.
"We want our party back" he proclaimed yesterday. I think that's a truer statement of their cause than concerns of electability (not that you can't have both).
"feck off members, this is our party" might be an even mkre accurate line.
Name a Labour alternative you'd consider a good leader.
And for heaven's sake man, don't say David Milliband.
No, he sees the party in severe danger of breaking up and ceasing to exist if something doesn't change soon. I imagine he's quite fond of it, given he previously saved it from death only 30 years back.I think it speaks volumes that Kinnock now seems to be trying to relive the good old days when he fought the left.
"We want our party back" he proclaimed yesterday. I think that's a truer statement of their cause than concerns of electability (not that you can't have both).
"feck off members, this is our party" might be an even mkre accurate line.
I think it speaks volumes that Kinnock now seems to be trying to relive the good old days when he fought the left.
"We want our party back" he proclaimed yesterday. I think that's a truer statement of their cause than concerns of electability (not that you can't have both).
"feck off members, this is our party" might be an even mkre accurate line.
No, he sees the party in severe danger of breaking up and ceasing to exist if something doesn't change soon. I imagine he's quite fond of it, given he previously saved it from death only 30 years back.
How? If he really wants his history in foreign policy to be dragged out front and centre of the debate about him, he's not going to come out of it well.Surely has significantly strengthened his position today?
How? If he really wants his history in foreign policy to be dragged out front and centre of the debate about him, he's not going to come out of it well.