Dennis Skinner just walked up to Jeremy Corbyn in Commons. He shook Jeremy's hand & turned to the Labour Plotters and gave them the V sign.
I'm really on the fence about it all. I love his politics, I love his reflective way of talking about things, I voted for him in the leadership election. However, I think his balanced approach to the referendum hasn't helped Remain a bit, and I know it's because he's ambivalent himself. "Remain and reform" wasn't on the ballot paper. Would he win a General Election for Labour? I seriously doubt it, and yet I don't want him to be ousted.I find it ironic that Corbyn got consistently accused of wanting to deselect MPs but actually all along he's been the one they've been trying to deselect.
Don't know how much truth is in this
but if it true than this idea that Corbyn failed on the Eu Referendum is well shite. Although should state I don't how true it is.
Yep, noticed by others:Socialist worker placards there, opining on the leadership of the Labour Party.
Agree. If the MP's where to make Corbyn resign it would a huge blow to not only the members but the unions backing him, so even if Corbyn wanted to go he knows that he can't really.Yougov reported more Labour remain voters and less Tories. Definitely ball park.
This whole thing is a stitch up, which is a huge reason as to why it can't be allowed to succeed. We're not fighting for Corbyn, we're fighting for integrity in the Labour party.
I'm really on the fence about it all. I love his politics, I love his reflective way of talking about things, I voted for him in the leadership election. However, I think his balanced approach to the referendum hasn't helped Remain a bit, and I know it's because he's ambivalent himself. "Remain and reform" wasn't on the ballot paper. Would he win a General Election for Labour? I seriously doubt it, and yet I don't want him to be ousted.
We didn't hear Boris and his crew balance their rabble-rousing with positive facts about being in Europe. You don't, when you're trying to win hearts and minds to support one way of looking at an issue. Jeremy just didn't pitch it right, I'm afraid, and it was a very big mistake.
Yep, noticed by others:
Not read the piece but yeah they are bit mad, watched a talk from them on youtube and there was a lot of talk about Comrades. Still worth listening if only to hear a different viewpoint.Ladies and Gentlemen, the SWP: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/05/comrades-war-decline-and-fall-socialist-workers-party
Yep, noticed by others:
Lilly Allen is there, so hardly the communist gathering so many are hoping for.I don't think I've ever seen a protest that they didn't turn up to though, and there were plenty of Labour supporters there too.
Out of interest, how come?As a Labour member, if there is a leadership contest, I don't think in good conscience that I can vote for Corbyn.
Yes you're right, it's always more attractive to be selling something new (especially when you don't have to give any detailed description of how it would work). I like your way of thinking about it.Fair points. My issue with having a go at him for the EU campaign is this:
Boris' crew had the advantage of selling a dream, and having an "incumbent" to criticise.
My issue with Corbyn being criticised for not being 100% happy with the EU is - who would it convince? Anyone who already thinks that is going to be voting Remain anyway.
Then you have the people who've seen years (decades?) of headlines criticising the EU. Politicians blaming it for their own failures when it suits (i.e. Tory immigration promises).
So Corbyn comes out and says "The EU is GREAT! I'd give it 10/10". Who is that going to convert? It didn't work for Cameron.
Besides that, Boris crew didn't need a party leader to deliver a win so these Labour MPs having a go at Corbyn should probably have a look at themselves too. Hodge's own constituency couldn't deliver a Remain vote. She should hold a lot of the blame for that, she's their MP.
And if Corbyn is booted out I'm done with the party, so one of us is going to be pissed offAs a Labour member, if there is a leadership contest, I don't think in good conscience that I can vote for Corbyn.
Not seen your previous posts so apologies if you've answered. Do you think Corbyn could win next GE? What about if there is a snap GE before A50 button pressed? I think neither.And if Corbyn is booted out I'm done with the party, so one of us is going to be pissed off
Out of interest, how come?
And if Corbyn is booted out I'm done with the party, so one of us is going to be pissed off
Will have to wait for papers tonight to see the evidence, but if true the guy should not be allowed on the ballot paper.
Do you think Corbyn runs his own social media accounts?That cannot be true, can it? He tweeted that he voted Remain!
Don't know how much truth is in this
but if it true than this idea that Corbyn failed on the Eu Referendum is well shite. Although should state I don't how true it is.
Do you think Corbyn runs his own social media accounts?
Out of interest, how come?