I doubt they can but if you keep bombarding someone with allegations then people start thinking that there can't be any smoke without fire. Cynical tactics are at play.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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I doubt they can but if you keep bombarding someone with allegations then people start thinking that there can't be any smoke without fire. Cynical tactics are at play.
http://www.politico.eu/article/insi...my-corbyn-shadow-cabinet-resignations-brexit/
Ian Murray, Edinburgh South
“It’s not about you Jeremy. You’re not just letting the party down, but the whole country.”
Bridget Phillipson, Houghton and Sunderland South
“You’re not fit to be prime minister and you’ve got to resign.”
Alan Johnson, West Hull and Hessle and leader of the Labour In campaign
“I fought the [EU referendum] campaign and I take my responsibility, but you’ve got to take yours. Your office did not even turn up for the weekly meetings.”
Helen Goodman, Bishop Auckland
“You just don’t get it on immigration. You’ve got John McDonnell there in the background like Marc Antony.”
Clive Efford, Eltham
“I gave you the benefit of the doubt. It’s not about yourself Jeremy but you’re not a prime minister and you’re not electable.”
Chris Matheson, Chester
“You’ve got to step down.”
Chris Bryant, Rhonda
“You’re not uniting the party. You’ve got no vision. The only person who can break this logjam is you by resigning.”
Ivan Lewis, Bury South
“It’s time to be honest with yourself. You’re not a leader. You need to go for the sake of the party.”
Margaret Hodge, Barking & Dagenham
“At this moment of grave danger, we simply cannot allow the party to flounder, become utterly irrelevant to the political debate and disintegrate into a second-rate pressure group. Make no mistake — unless we listen to our voters, our party faces political oblivion.”
Ian Murray, Edinburgh South
“It’s not about you Jeremy. You’re not just letting the party down, but the whole country.”
Bridget Phillipson, Houghton and Sunderland South
“You’re not fit to be prime minister and you’ve got to resign.”
Alan Johnson, West Hull and Hessle and leader of the Labour In campaign
“I fought the [EU referendum] campaign and I take my responsibility, but you’ve got to take yours. Your office did not even turn up for the weekly meetings.”
Helen Goodman, Bishop Auckland
“You just don’t get it on immigration. You’ve got John McDonnell there in the background like Marc Antony.”
Clive Efford, Eltham
“I gave you the benefit of the doubt. It’s not about yourself Jeremy but you’re not a prime minister and you’re not electable.”
Chris Matheson, Chester
“You’ve got to step down.”
Chris Bryant, Rhonda
“You’re not uniting the party. You’ve got no vision. The only person who can break this logjam is you by resigning.”
Ivan Lewis, Bury South
“It’s time to be honest with yourself. You’re not a leader. You need to go for the sake of the party.”
Margaret Hodge, Barking & Dagenham
“At this moment of grave danger, we simply cannot allow the party to flounder, become utterly irrelevant to the political debate and disintegrate into a second-rate pressure group. Make no mistake — unless we listen to our voters, our party faces political oblivion.”
They've failed miserably at listening to their voters and membership every time we've given them the slightest of opportunity in recent years.
She personally is even more of a failure. She nominated Corbyn, because she wanted to "widen the debate" without actually nominating a lefty who had a chance of winning. She can't even listen to her own fecking members.
What gives her the right to lecture Corbyn about that?
Technically his twitter only implies that he voted Remain, it could be his big red bus, you know.
Lovely.
The weird thing about that, 4% of UKIP voted to remain. 4% of the United Kingdom Independence Party voted to remain.
When will Corbyn accept that his performance for England tonight simply wasn't good enough and he has to go?
One of them would have been Farage.The weird thing about that, 4% of UKIP voted to remain. 4% of the United Kingdom Independence Party voted to remain.
He's got nothing to dream about any more. Just the shit reality to wake up to.I can only believe that Corbyn is trying to wreck the Labour Party to the point where they have to start again. If he can win this leadership battle. Even then though, I can't see how he / they do that. Huge amount of de-selections to existing MPs?
If he resigns (eventually) does Jeremy go away from Labour as it then is, and see who he can take with him, how many of them.
No opposition to the Tories going forward, really don't think the Conservatives will fragment whatever happens. Maybe Labour need to.
If he resigns (eventually) does Jeremy go away from Labour as it then is, and see who he can take with him, how many of them.
No opposition to the Tories going forward, really don't think the Conservatives will fragment whatever happens. Maybe Labour need to.
Tomorrow's Mirror front page saying he has to go.
Bring on the split and let voters decide.
Who gets the party machine and name, though?
Not sure I admit. Last time round the centrists did, and managed to boot out militant tendency and the like, but the attraction of millions of ordinary centrist votes means they just wait their chance and come back again.
I'd be happy to see a new centre-left party, it wouldn't win power overnight but it would give voters an honest choice.
I think his policies are the correct answers but he can't sell them to the wider public ss he hasn't the personality.
Those who are attacking Corbyn want a harder line on immigration even though they know it's not immigration that is making those out voters in the north angry. We can't pander to their bigotry
I think he needs to go, but I hope it doesn't empower the latter group of feckwits
Those who are attacking Corbyn want a harder line on immigration even though they know it's not immigration that is making those out voters in the north angry. We can't pander to their bigotry
I think he needs to go, but I hope it doesn't empower the latter group of feckwits
It kind of is, though. I'm sure some are just anti-establishment and are tired of Labour, but I'd imagine a considerable number of those who went UKIP in 2015 and voted Out have some fears regarding immigration. Telling them that they don't is unlikely to sway them.
I'm not sure that those who want Corbyn out want a much harsher stance on immigration, though, which is why I think attempts to replace him largely on the basis of the Northern vote are quite misguided.
They list problems in their lives, infrequent work, poor public services, shitty welfare and then instead of blaming Westminster they blame migrants. I recognise they have fears on migration, but it is irrational, I don't think going hard on migration will solve their problems
I saw on newsnight a labour MP says Corbyn doesn't get it on migration, I.e. he's got the wrong policy on them. I heard a snippet of John Mann on the radio saying something similar
This is true, the trouble is that you can't fix any of this unless you're in government, and it's going to get even harder for Labour to win support, particularly in the north with UKIP sprouting roots and fanning flames, by merely explaining to voters that they're wrong about immigration.
I also think it would be disastrous for Labour to adopt tough rhetoric on it, given that the EEA is looking like our main hope of keeping the economy from going under, and the party shouldn't be engaging in the kind of bait and switch that Vote Leave pulled. There'd be genuine danger of the north going the way of Scotland, but this time with nationalists from the right sweeping up the rewards.
I still think the fears on immigration can be trumped - at least temporarily - if the leader is a believable PM, is trusted on the economy and defence, and looks like they understand the issues faced. Jarvis ticks all those boxes but I'm not sure he's the right candidate to unite the party at the moment.
Without Corbyn there is no left wing, i like left wing. if Woody Guthrie was still around he'd vote for Corbyn.
That suits me
That suits me
The evidence turned out to be some completely random bloke who said Corbyn told him in a restaurant. What a twat George Eaton is."Listen mate your concerns are irrational, immigrants are great come on just vote Labour. We're fighting for you". Yeah brilliant
What doesn't he get? His policy was exactly what you've said which is why he champions reintroducing the immigration impact fund.
They keep coming out with the line that he doesn't get immigration but then they go out and deny it's a problem themselves. Clueless the lot of them.
To be fair to John Mann, I think he has been saying similar things for well over a decade.
Their fear is irrational so nothing you do can satisfy them with regards to migrants, all you'll achive is making migrants lives misrable
There was me slightly worrying about it. Some of the desperate shite coming out at the moment, very odd bit on BBC last night when they reported there was about a 1000 or so supporters outside backing Corbyn outside(Real number was closer to 5,000). Don't what to put the tin foil hat on but that's really odd stuff.
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That's your opinion mate and they have every right to hold their own without it being disregarded as irrational.
There's plenty that can be done and starting that conversation to set out what is acceptable to Britain is one that's overdue.
Control of our own borders is the first aspect and having a clear policy on what benefits can be claimed is another. Managing the population growth via better city planning to ensure there's no overcrowding to services is another.
This general election needs to be fought on the parties vision for immigration. Saying we don't think it's a problem so we don't have a policy won't work anymore
I found this interesting presentation on "white flight" and "white fear", and it goes into a bit of detail on what we can do to make integration better: http://www.smf.co.uk/wp-content/upl...alk-Eric-Kaufmann-Ethnic-Change-UK-201114.pdf (PDF)
It has always appeared obvious to me. The older generation are more likely to react badly to immigration because they remember a time when there were hardly any immigrants. The younger generations have grown up in a multicultural society and went to school with immigrant and have friends of other ethnicities. It becomes normalised and a part of 'British culture'. It helps to explain the age demographics of the Leave vote.
It is also why I said Merkel made a huge huge mistake around the immigrant crisis because a society cannot adapt peacefully to that level of immigration at once. It could be one of the key moments that we look back on as deciding the fate of the EU.
It is fear rooted in ignorance. But to continue to dismiss or demonise the phenomenon will get you no where IMO. It has to be tackled with logic and understanding.
I don't think the hard left are capable of that.
Good post CM.
Corbyn has gone up in my estimations. He has the support of the base and the unions, just not the support of the career politicians in his party. I admire the fact that he is refusing to bend to their will, perhaps this will lead to Labour offering a credible alternative to the Conservatives.
They werr refugees. Close the borsers and leave them trapped in the southern european states. Send them back to a warzone? What should she have done?
Its irrational as areas with little migration still vote out
Housing is too expensive because we don't build enough, not because of migrants. Hospitals are too busy because of an ageing native population. The only area you can say has some pressure is schools but you've a 4 year lead time before babies are old enough for school. If there aren't enough spaces its the government fecking up
What was the final ratio of opportunist migrants and genuine refugees? I think it was 70/30 IIRC. She made it worse for the refugees and the EU IMO. Although my point isn't the specifics of that, it is how to deal with the consequences.
For the right it gives them leverage. The hard left just want to bury their head in the sand, denigrate the section of society complaining about it and come out with insanely stupid comments from the top like 'in the future there won't be any borders'.
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I take you are a Tory then?
It probably should have been made very clear that refugee status is temporary and the aim is to send them back to their home country if and when it is safe to do so. That is what refugee status is after all.
The Thick of It is reality.
Absolutely not, but evra is, the wummer.