If 80% of your MPs have no confidence in your leadership, I think it's fair to consider that maybe, just maybe, it's the fault of the leader rather than the MPs.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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He has said he won't resign...
Long drawn out fight (and probably ending up with the party splitting) it is then
Long drawn out fight (and probably ending up with the party splitting) it is then
Not sure I understand the significance?
The Labour Party was formed by the workers (unions) for the workers and Corbyn has stood by that. Maybe some of the other Labour party members are in the wrong party.....a split seems sensible for everyone.
I'm now worried about the future of the left in Britain, should the Labour party go under or fade into irrelevancy who will be there to counter the right? My fear is, the right will dominate UK politics with our main choices being the near-right or the far-right.
If still filled to the brim with the warmongers the party will be buried in the aftermath of the Chilcot report and not a moment too soon.
Doesn't seem like a good outcome for the public.
I don't even give a shite anymore. Lib Dems have my vote as it stands.
Yeah we'd believe that if they hadn't made it clear how this would play out since august last year.
So Labour now have a leader less popular than Michael Howard, who was crap at local elections, crap in the EU referendum, has completely lost the confidence of basically all of the Labour MPs, and yet he sees no reason to resign.
If there is a snap election in the Autumn, I suspect Tim Farron and Nigel Farage are going to have one hell of a night.
If there is a snap election in the Autumn, I suspect Tim Farron and Nigel Farage are going to have one hell of a night.
Oh I don't know. The party has had no real identity for years now. Just feels like a milder version of the Tory party. The left have not really had anyone to represent them which is why I think it's important to keep Corbyn as the leader of the Labour party. As for some of the rest...well....when they didn't vote against the welfare bill I was appalled. Their desperation to "please all" has lost them many votes and I really don't think that they'll ever win an election with so many middle of the road politicians who don't stand by traditional Labour values.
Believe it. They have seen it up close as everyone else has seen from afar, Corbyn is incompetent and would make for a terrible Prime Minister. It really is that simple.
You may like his politics, fine, but find someone competent who can represent these ideals and lead the party.
It be interesting to how much public interest is still with the Iraq war(Hopefully a lot).
It's irrelevant to me now. The public don't get many chances to have their say. When you give then one you better fecking respect it or lose their trust entirely. I'm supporting Corbyn because the others have wiped their arse with my trust time and time again. No more.
Both him and eagle voted for the Iraq war and against an investigation. They were both caught up in the expense scandal as well . Eagle was also the one described earnings about the housing market as macroeconomic nonsense just before they tanked.
Eagle can do a good angry voice though so I think that trumps all the above
It's the Labour Party not the Corbyn Party. Are you really saying Corbyn is the only person you'd support as leader of the party?
The fact Corbyn ended up being voted leader by such a massive majority in the first place, despite only being put on the ballot as some kind of token alternative, suggests there is very much a problem with the MPs.
When MPs...i.e. members of a democratic party, decide to go about deliberately undermining and ignoring the result of a democratic vote from their members, then there is VERY DEFINITELY a problem with the MPs. A very serious problem. It's not 80% of them who fall into this category. It's 80% who have lost faith in Corbyn's ability to sort this out, which isn't an unreasonable view to take at this point even if you like or want to support him...I don't reallly have faith in Corbyn's ability to sort this out, but I certainly don't see how it's his fault. If it was his fault he'd never have been elected in the first place.
What exactly is the pplan of this lot who've been deiberately undermining their own party for months? None of them have offered any political direction themselves. None of them offer a plan. They have just thrown their toys out of the pram because their members told them in no uncertain terms that they were a bit shit. Corbyn is merely the result of that.
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No. This isn't really about Corbyn for me any more.
Not sure how much this makes a difference but Eagle's CLP(Constituency Labour Party)asked her to publicly back Corbyn.
I get that you think some in the party have harmed his chances by not supporting him since the leadership election, but what do you think of his performance since that point? Have you watched the VICE documentary? He's been absolutely terrible as leader of the opposition, let alone leader of the Labour party, and if there's an election in the next six months he has no chance of leaving the party in a stronger position than he found it in last year.
He's Labour's David Moyes. He's had his 10 months, been an embarrassment and now needs to go.
"But I have a 6 year contract".
I haven't seen the VICE documentary, not hugely interested by that sort of thing. I get that he's not good at a lot of stuff - especially the superficial media stuff that does nothing to excite me but is important to many others - but the party could have helped with a lot of that, instead they helped make it worse.
I'm more upset at how many have undermined and even demonised many of their members, and no one stepped in to tell them to stop as far as I can tell.
"we aspire to be like the Conservatives"
I suspect the enquiry when published won't get that much traction as there will be a conservative leadership election, a civil war in the Labour party, a big hoo ha about the Trident vote plus all the article 50 and economic fall out from the referendum to deal with.
Spot on. As a result of this, I am torn as to my party loyalty also. I want a Labour Party who can unite on the issues Corbyn was elected on the back of, but it looks like that's not what the MPs want. They are a shambles at a time when even holding it together in public would be seen as an improvement on the state of affairs in the Conservative camp. That should be the least they are capable of.
Not sure how many of those are in the Labour party, and even if there are, I can't see that they won't be undermined at every turn in the same way as Corbyn.
Maybe Fergie can be the leader of the Labour Party.
From what I've read, Corbyn looks like the Bernie Sanders of the US. A near cult like following among the young voters, check. Brought new voters to the polls to increase the size of the electorate, (check? Don't know for sure on this). Has a massive following in the internetz with active volunteers and tweeters, check. Having trouble to translate this into real votes by having grassroots members of the party doing the hard yard, check.
The online debate will always be on the side of Corbyn and it may not reflect the grassroots opinion which may well be against Corbyn. I've only recently read up on Labour and Corbyn, so all this may be highly inaccurate.
The online debate will always be on the side of Corbyn and it may not reflect the grassroots opinion which may well be against Corbyn. I've only recently read up on Labour and Corbyn, so all this may be highly inaccurate.
If Corbyn wins 2nd mandate, mandatory reselection of MPs, recall + more power for members all planned
Seems that this is Corbyn's endgame.
If the 172 who have lost confidence in him resigned the Labour whip after that, he would no longer be leader of the opposition, and would command fewer MPs than the SNP in 2015, and the Lib Dems in 2010, 2005 and 2001.
It was still a big topic during the US primary's for both Dem & Republican. Also I've a heard few people(When I say people I post on the internet) mention that if the enquiry is bad for the like of Blair and his party back then(Chances that will be the case)Corbyn will call for charges against Blair.
But yes I agree with you that the odds are it won't get much traction.
To be fair to him Corbyn's grassroot support looks strong. Its the swing votes he fails to grab.
If you accept that he was voted in to 'shift the debate' to a more left-wing Labour party, and ultimately, Westminster, then he was only going to do that by creating a coherent message that people wanted to hear, and spreading that message to the British people. He's utterly, utterly failed on that front, with Labour not doing anything to 'sell' their message to voters - you can see it in the referendum and Scottish and local elections, or you can see it on the news, where we see the Tories repeatedly getting away with selling their own lies on a whole host of matters. I don't see how anyone can have seen Jeremy's work as leader of the party and believe he and his team are capable of building an effective opposition.
And Momentum have 'demonised' their own enemies just as much, the deselection threats are more reminiscent of the Tea Party than anything else we've seen in British Politics.
Can't see the tweet.
I've been reading Guardian's live blog and it's been pretty scathing about Corbyn's efforts on this vote. I've read at least 5 different leaked emails in which Corbyn has come under attack for his leadership from various parties (Tories, Labour, from someone in the remain camp etc etc) that there was a lack of coherent messaging from the Labour party on the vote. It almost seemed like, Let's do the best we can and make up our minds after the result of the vote. Surely, if Corbyn is very popular among the grassroots of Labour party, he should have delivered majority of the party votes for remain?
It's all confusing to me but I'm getting the story only from Guardian, so it may be biased.
And this is why losing the confidence of 80% of your party MPs when you're the official opposition actually has serious ramifications.
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I would advise to think tactically. If Corbyn stays I might have to vote for him anyway because UKIP could realistically have a chance of winning in my ward.
Exactly. The ones who've caused this mess will need to go whether Corbyn does or not for the party to have any credibility at all. What you have is a bunch of MPs who want to deliberately ignore their members and do the opposite to what their members want. They demonstrated that before Corbyn was elected with the Welfare bill among other things, and that is THE reason why he was elected. Not because people see him as a potential strong PM or some grand cult leader, but because he's literally the only solution that was put before left wing voters...and until someone gives them another solution this whole fracas is without any purpose. Corbyn is a byproduct of a massive problem with Labour MPs who have disappeared up their own backsides.
I can't really be added to go through his strengths and weaknesses for the nth time in this thread sorry. Mind is made up and so is yours.
As for momentum, I expect higher standards for my MPs (or at least I used to). They are all too happy to generalise and demonise when it suits them, but all too often it's people they should be reaching out to. Not to defend Twitter trolls or the like, rather everyone else who is tarred with the same brush.