Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

VP89 said:
I'm very new to understanding politics, but can someone please explain what the shadow cabinet does? Should Corbyn's position be hanging on a thread after all these resignations? Hopefully so. If he goes soon who can replace him that would be a good candidate versus the Torys?
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They are basically counterparts to the members of the cabinet in government. Each cabinet member has an opposition member in the shadow cabinet who's main role is to go up against them

Corbyn's position is indeed under threat. How much is up for debate. The parliamentary party doesn't want him but the party members do

I personally would like to see this man lead the Labour Party..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Jarvis
 
VP89 said:
I'm very new to understanding politics, but can someone please explain what the shadow cabinet does? Should Corbyn's position be hanging on a thread after all these resignations? Hopefully so. If he goes soon who can replace him that would be a good candidate versus the Torys?
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probably easiest to point you here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Cabinet

Predominantly they speak with one voice on the Opposition's alternative plans for Government.

To the other questions - Corbyn is historically unpopular in the Parliamentary Party, but still popular amongst the members. If he is forced into a leadership contest, the members who vote will likely pick him again.

re: good candidates, probably the person the Tories are concerned about the most is Dan Jarvis.
 
Barca84 said:
They are basically counterparts to the members of the cabinet in government. Each cabinet member has an opposition member in the shadow cabinet who's main role is to go up against them

Corbyn's position is indeed under threat. How much is up for debate. The parliamentary party doesn't want him but the party members do

I personally would like to see this man lead the Labour Party..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Jarvis
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Frosty said:
probably easiest to point you here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Cabinet

Predominantly they speak with one voice on the Opposition's alternative plans for Government.

To the other questions - Corbyn is historically unpopular in the Parliamentary Party, but still popular amongst the members. If he is forced into a leadership contest, the members who vote will likely pick him again.

re: good candidates, probably the person the Tories are concerned about the most is Dan Jarvis.
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Thanks guys - very useful.. will read those pages.

Interesting time to get into politics, on a side note @Barca84 I have to concede how much I love your info under the user alias. I chucked back when I was a guest on redcafe at the Barcelona taglines :lol: assuming a mod was behind it!
 
VP89 said:
on a side note @Barca84 I have to concede how much I love your info under the user alias. I chucked back when I was a guest on redcafe at the Barcelona taglines :lol: assuming a mod was behind it!
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Yes...at this stage even I am starting to think I am, and always have been, a Barca fan :D
 
Smores said:
I mean he was in the army he has to be strong right? He can just throw back any challenge by saying he fought for this country, they'd lap that right up.
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He was a Commander in the Special Forces. A different order of magnitude to simply being in the army. His prior resume is political gold.
 
Keep hearing about Dan Jarvis.Apart from fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq .What else does he offer. It never seemed to persuade his town from voting leave.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
He was a Commander in the Special Forces. A different order of magnitude to simply being in the army. His prior resume is political gold.
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As much as i'd ridicule this shallow and petulant approach from the Labour PLP from the people I've spoken to I do agree that putting in a military guy would probably be the only route to resolve the soft lefty viewpoint some have of the Labour party. Pacifism does not play well at all and it holds the agenda for change back somewhat.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
He was a Commander in the Special Forces. A different order of magnitude to simply being in the army. His prior resume is political gold.
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I find this X-Factor level politics uninspiring personally. If he can come out convincingly prior to any election then I won't be against supporting them man but so far he's being pushed by people more bothered by his backstory than anything else. It's also relying on the assumption that his backstory will make him immune to certain attacks from, which isn't guaranteed by any measure. I'm not saying that there's nothing else to him but I haven't seen it personally and I just see people talking about his backstory.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
He was a Commander in the Special Forces. A different order of magnitude to simply being in the army. His prior resume is political gold.
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Plus a windowed single dad... I mean you just look evil if you try and attack him
I am pretty sure it was parachute regiment not special forces... But still political gold
Mum was a teacher... Dad was a probation officer
Even the mail gush at him staring down a mugger
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Forces-stares-mugger-threatened-kill-him.html
Labour need a leader who the media will let get his message over... If he wants the job I'd say he would be a great candidate (if not as a minimum put him as shadow defence)
 
sun_tzu said:
Plus a windowed single dad... I mean you just look evil if you try and attack him
I am pretty sure it was parachute regiment not special forces... But still political gold
Mum was a teacher... Dad was a probation officer
Even the mail gush at him staring down a mugger
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Forces-stares-mugger-threatened-kill-him.html
Labour need a leader who the media will let get his message over... If he wants the job I'd say he would be a great candidate (if not as a minimum put him as shadow defence)
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Not SAS but still Special Forces, albeit briefly.

Jarvis served in Iraq during Operation Telic and in Afghanistan during Operation Herrick.[12] He was deployed to Afghanistan twice, first as a member of the team making the first reconnaissance trips to Helmand Province in 2005 to 2006 in preparation for a decision on whether to commit British troops there. The second deployment was a six-month tour as a company commander with the Special Forces Support Group, leading a company of 100 troops.[4] He was also deployed to Northern Ireland.[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Forces_Support_Group
 
The shadow cabinet even looks like it has less credibility than the last one.
The current situation is unsustainable.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Not SAS but still Special Forces, albeit briefly.

Jarvis served in Iraq during Operation Telic and in Afghanistan during Operation Herrick.[12] He was deployed to Afghanistan twice, first as a member of the team making the first reconnaissance trips to Helmand Province in 2005 to 2006 in preparation for a decision on whether to commit British troops there. The second deployment was a six-month tour as a company commander with the Special Forces Support Group, leading a company of 100 troops.[4] He was also deployed to Northern Ireland.[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Forces_Support_Group
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fair enough

In the Red Corner an ex parra, ex special forces - served in multiple conflicts, widdowed single dad to 2 kids, son of a teacher and probation officer who stares down muggers in the street... (take that Murdoch / Mail).... Dan "The Man" Jarvis

In the Blue Corner a chap famous for assaulting kids on the Rugby pitch, a lovable buffoon born in the USA, Educated at the European School in Brussels and descended from Russian Royalty and best known for looking clueless on Have I Got News For You... its Boris De Pfeffel Johnson
 
sun_tzu said:
fair enough

In the Red Corner an ex parra, ex special forces - served in multiple conflicts, widdowed single dad to 2 kids, son of a teacher and probation officer who stares down muggers in the street... (take that Murdoch / Mail).... Dan "The Man" Jarvis

In the Blue Corner a chap famous for assaulting kids on the Rugby pitch, a lovable buffoon born in the USA, Educated at the European School in Brussels and descended from Russian Royalty and best known for looking clueless on Have I Got News For You... its Boris De Pfeffel Johnson
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The word going round in Labour circles is that Corbyn actually voted Leave. He's been refusing to tell MPs which way he voted. feck me.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
The word going round in Labour circles is that Corbyn actually voted Leave.
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About as reliable as 'my mate in the pub says' these days. They'll say anything to try and get rid of him.
MikeUpNorth said:
He's been refusing to tell MPs which way he voted. feck me.
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Pretty sure in his shoes my response to MP's asking which way I voted would be to tell them to feck off.

I hope he goes because I feel badly let down over his 'campaigning' but I still detest the way the PLP has treated him in his time in the job.

Joined the Greens, last night. Finding it hard to imagine a situation in which I'd ever vote Labour again.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
The word going round in Labour circles is that Corbyn actually voted Leave. He's been refusing to tell MPs which way he voted. feck me.
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The plotters are doing a great job at stitching him up. I didn't see anything convincing in the "evidence" that had been sent to BBC & HuffPo. The stories look like they'd be written up for the journalists in question, with enough rumours that fit the narrative to make a convincing case. Maybe I didn't look close enough.
 
What a shambles our supposed top politicians are...on all sides.
 
I can't help but wonder if this coup from within has anything to with the Chillcot Inquiry? Corbyn vows to press for Blair to be charged as a war criminal and all of a sudden cabinet members are calling for votes of no confidence...
 
Red Ryan said:
I can't help but wonder if this coup from within has anything to with the Chillcot Inquiry? Corbyn vows to press for Blair to be charged as a war criminal and all of a sudden cabinet members are calling for votes of no confidence...
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There was an article in the telegraph a few weeks ago saying how this has all been planned. It claimed a 24 hour blitz of resignations would happen.

Stitch up. Personally I'll do everything I can to make sure it doesn't work (admittedly not much, but I've got my vote and am encouraging friends to join and vote also if it comes to that).
 
Looking at those new shadow cabinet appointments, I'm genuinely not sure he's going to be able to fill it up.
 
It's quite funny isn't it? And sums up the Labour party at the minute that the big bombshell that is apparently the charge that is going to get rid of Corbyn is that he voted to leave in the EU ref.

Now, of course, the role of a Labour politician should be to look out for the working class and, for that reason, should have campaigned to stay in. Yet, the working class backed leaving the European Union in record droves precisely because they felt un-represented by the Westminster elite. The response to then remove a leader, precisely because he, apparently, shared a view with those very people, just sums up why people wanted to leave in the first place.

Not that I buy the idea that Corbyn actually did, but, either way, the fact the charge has been levelled against him just goes to show you Labour's problems.
 
Angela Eagle, Michael Cashman and John Healey resign.
 
Red Ryan said:
I can't help but wonder if this coup from within has anything to with the Chillcot Inquiry? Corbyn vows to press for Blair to be charged as a war criminal and all of a sudden cabinet members are calling for votes of no confidence...
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Got more to do with them worried that a General Election could be called early.
 
Red Ryan said:
I can't help but wonder if this coup from within has anything to with the Chillcot Inquiry? Corbyn vows to press for Blair to be charged as a war criminal and all of a sudden cabinet members are calling for votes of no confidence...
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Yep heard that to. Apparently Corbyn will apologise on behalf of the Labour Party for the Iraq war(Apparently he would have done it soon but the PLP conviced him to wait until Chillcot Inquriy is out)and call for Blair to face charges.I think I'm right in saying a certain Tom Watson has constantly voted against an investigation into the Iraq war as well. A lot of people aren't going to look pretty when it comes out.

Although I'm not sure how much I believe this.
 
Corbyn source: A leadership contest is now 'likely to happen'.

(Guardian)
 
I don't agree with people that are saying this is a Blairite takeover. The Labour Party is not working and something has to change.
 
NinjaFletch said:
It's quite funny isn't it? And sums up the Labour party at the minute that the big bombshell that is apparently the charge that is going to get rid of Corbyn is that he voted to leave in the EU ref.

Now, of course, the role of a Labour politician should be to look out for the working class and, for that reason, should have campaigned to stay in. Yet, the working class backed leaving the European Union in record droves precisely because they felt un-represented by the Westminster elite. The response to then remove a leader, precisely because he, apparently, shared a view with those very people, just sums up why people wanted to leave in the first place.

Not that I buy the idea that Corbyn actually did, but, either way, the fact the charge has been levelled against him just goes to show you Labour's problems.
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Peter Hitches talking sense(Around 4:40, although the whole video worth a watch)


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NinjaFletch said:
It's quite funny isn't it? And sums up the Labour party at the minute that the big bombshell that is apparently the charge that is going to get rid of Corbyn is that he voted to leave in the EU ref.

Now, of course, the role of a Labour politician should be to look out for the working class and, for that reason, should have campaigned to stay in. Yet, the working class backed leaving the European Union in record droves precisely because they felt un-represented by the Westminster elite. The response to then remove a leader, precisely because he, apparently, shared a view with those very people, just sums up why people wanted to leave in the first place.

Not that I buy the idea that Corbyn actually did, but, either way, the fact the charge has been levelled against him just goes to show you Labour's problems.
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They voted primarily based on immigration. Then look at these:






He didn't even want it addressed.

If he actually voted Leave, he's an actual cnut.
 
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