Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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Steal the queen, make Boris popular.
In fairness we really shouldn't be listening to someone called Mad Mike.
In fairness you shouldn't be listening to Corbyn.
Past labour voter/ supporter / member / doner
Wouldn't associate myself with the shower of shit currently running the ship aground
Well, yes, we know. Posting links to guido tends to be a giveaway. I'm just surprised you've ever found anything you like in Labour; you seem like a classic (small c) conservative voter who would always feel ill at ease with a party trying to enact social change. I'm just surprised that even New Labour wasn't too radical for you.
That depends how much you want to get elected in the first place, so you’re in a position to do anything at all. This is what infuriates me about the Labour left, they just don’t seem to actually care about electability as long as they’re ideologically pure.
I've said it before, so I'll say it again.
I'm convinced Labour are happy to be the shadow party and don't actually want power. Going after business, no matter tiny or huge, and things like private schools and Trident yet largely fence sitting on the most major issue we face?
They are letting us down massively. The sooner people realise this, the better. They are failing us all in the face of this completely evil Tory leadership.
But meh, it doesn't matter. I'll get predictable shit for this post and yet it's all irrelevant as they won't be in power any time soon and the excuses will flow rather than any actual reflection and change.
I'm convinced Labour are happy to be the shadow party and don't actually want power. Going after business, no matter tiny or huge, and things like private schools and Trident yet largely fence sitting on the most major issue we face?
They are letting us down massively. The sooner people realise this, the better. They are failing us all in the face of this completely evil Tory leadership.
But meh, it doesn't matter. I'll get predictable shit for this post and yet it's all irrelevant as they won't be in power any time soon and the excuses will flow rather than any actual reflection and change.
Ironically, there's a 'People's Front of Judea' air about them.
I'm far from the right poster to direct that line at tbh. I'm not even sure people would put me on the left of the party anymore, god knows I've clashed enough with posters on the left that they wouldn't put me there.
I feel that to enact social change you have to firstly get elected ...
Being a santamonious prick shouting oooh Jeremy corbyn from the sidelines will do nothing but drive the labour vote down further which is a shame but meh crack on and enjoy your echo chamber for now as after the next election it will be lots of moaning about how people are thick as they didn't vote for Corbyn and it will all be Blair's or the media's or the Jews fault etc...
I only hope the party can sort it's self out quicker than after the Michael foot disaster
Its called the LABOUR party.
Not sure why people struggle with this rather simple point.
You might want to read my posts on Corbyn over the past year before you start sounding off.I'd take that though! At least they thought about improving what we had.
I think Labour currently are much more like the Judean people's front. In that they just oppose everything with no forward plan.
I don't struggle with that.
Nor do I struggle with why it took mere minutes for your predictable angry redponse without a single thought as to why I might be against that bit though.
Wait hold on, so your problem with the Labour Party is that its the party of labour ? What the feck are you on about ?
Yea, that's exactly it. Well done, you've caught me.
Corbyn's comment that he was 'daunted' by the prospect of becoming PM was also rather odd.
Maybe just stick to talking about video games. Nerd.
He's the Moyes of politics.
But hey, apparantly we all have to think the same thing because, you know, that's totally going to get Labour in again. It's LABOUR after all...
In fairness I don't think the Labour Party ever had your vote. Anyway for such a anti business party -
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-tories-no-deal-capitalism-radical-government
Red Tory. Disgraceful.
ps please vote for us in November.
I dunno...I miss the days when 'lambs would mock Weaste's claims that 'The PlayStation 27 will have TWELVE disc drives!!!!!! And a sandwich toaster!!!!'
He literally said - 'Going after business, no matter tiny or huge'. New Labour would have been too much for this guy.
Sensible centrist UK voter - The fact the Labour Party doesn't want to turn Tehran into a dvd bonus scene from Terminator 2, shows Corbyn isn't serious about winning power. And of course lefties will call me a tory for saying as such.
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The problem is that argument has constantly been made in reverse, and is even being made by the very centrists trying to act like they're representative of a grown up Labour party that's long gone on this page of the thread.
If you're going to make that argument then you can't make it without telling the Labour left to fall in to line and vote for a party that doesn't represent them because you're better than the Tories. Whichever side of the debate you fall on the implicit argument is that the other side must do what you want them to because you need their votes.
There are lots of valid issues with Corbyn and Corbyn's running of the Labour party that deserve valid criticism. There are massive concerns about his competency and ability to message, too. Hell there is even one from today, but there are certain issues which need radical solutions in this country because of the damage that the Tories have done. If the Labour party are proposing, at best, to put a sticking plaster over the issue (as they often did under Blair) then nothing will change because the Tories sure as shit aren't going to do it.
In all honesty, I'd argue that Education policy matters so little to most voters that Labour can be as bellicose as they like on the issue. The far bigger story should be the botched Brexit policy.
Yeah I knew I'd get the usual shit for having an opinion and I knew not a single question as to why I think that way. All attack and no reflection.
But hey, I'm clearly a fat cat Tory businessman who never votes Labour and hates all you plebs so I'm going to be ok. You can all melt into insignificance whilst I continue to spend all my millions on my game collection. Oh and I also read the newspapers so BJ is a true leader and Corbyn eats grass and worships trees. It's a wonderful life!
I can't possibly be someone with my own struggles wondering why the people supposed to fight and save us from what's going on, seemingly aren't. And a little bemused as to why that automatically now makes me the enemy
But hey, echo chambers and all that. Wrong place to air my opinions I guess! Back to the entertainment forum with me...
But hey, I'm clearly a fat cat Tory businessman who never votes Labour and hates all you plebs so I'm going to be ok. You can all melt into insignificance whilst I continue to spend all my millions on my game collection. Oh and I also read the newspapers so BJ is a true leader and Corbyn eats grass and worships trees. It's a wonderful life!
I can't possibly be someone with my own struggles wondering why the people supposed to fight and save us from what's going on, seemingly aren't. And a little bemused as to why that automatically now makes me the enemy
But hey, echo chambers and all that. Wrong place to air my opinions I guess! Back to the entertainment forum with me...
Brilliant
I accept that everyone Is asking for votes, but it seems to be peculiar to Momentum that they ask for those of their most likely allies by hurling the red Tory and yellow Tory insults at them first. As this very thread has shown.
It's not just that, it's the fact that we all now have to be one way or we are the enemy.
It doesn't matter how each of us are affected, if you don't toe the line you must be the opposition. How the feck we haven't already learned from what Trump has managed and now BJ is trying, I don't know. There are no questions, there is no dialogue, it's just attempted (and very amateur) ridicule from the off. From the very people who will wonder why there's so many who come out of the woodwork to vote the other way.
I stand to lose everything thanks to Brexit and the cnuts in power. Does that then make me wrong to question those that should be taking charge and leading the way? Obviously so, obviously my attitude is wrong and I shouldn't question anything. I should just shut up and vote Labour and sneer at everyone who dares question.
Labour needs its illusions to be beaten out of it. They need to lose the election badly so there is nowhere for the Corbynites to hide. There is hope for this.
No one said you shouldn't question anything. If you want to talk about electability, Brexit, how labour would put these plans into action etc, then great whatever. But your not, in fact the things you seem to be
Can you image a tory voter saying something similar(Before you get all pissy, I'm not calling you a tory), looking at their party and going - well the tory party is only interested in helping the very rich and no one else in society. Well fecking DUH ! Thats the whole point of the tory party.
Basically your grievances with the Labour party are just odd.
You think Labour should go after all business?
Nah... They are just going to blame people for being too thick to vote for Corbyn or blame red Tories / Blairites... Say it's all down to the right wing media and of course blaming Jews either directly or by implication
They won't get rid of Corbyn till the ehrc report comes out imo as they will need somebody to carry the can... But even then momentum will try and vote in somebody equally bad.
So why is that an acceptable thing to say, but calling people Blairites or red Tories some unacceptable slur?
People are totally free to call us Blairites and red Tories...
They are not free to do all the antisemitic shit they have been hence the ehrc have a formal investigation
We have to define what we mean by ''going after'' . For some on here Labour 10% worker share thing is literally Stalinism and unionised fast food workers on a living wage is one step away from Cuba.
Personally I don't think what Labour are proposing(Be it getting rid of private schools, better union right etc) is anything that should scare people in their dreams. At the moment a Corbyn government if it could get everything it wanted, would simply be upgrading Britain into the 21st century. And even the more ''radical'' stuff like getting rid of the one nuke this country has, a 4 day week and a green new deal(Or a ''Green Industry revolution', shite name I know)isn't terrifying but completely essential to saving the future of the planet.
Its insane that people are losing their minds over the idea of getting rid of the place that gave us Boris Johnstone and David Cameron, when we are literally burning the amazon rainforest.