You’ve completely missed my point.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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You’ve completely missed my point.
I also can't find anything about the corbyn loyalist being the one who initially went with a warning.
Which is exactly the point!
It's so overtly anti-Semitic it's not even difficult to spot.
You do realise the Star Of David was around before the State of Israel, surely. There's a clue in the name, it's been around since the times of, well, King David, actually. Whether you believe in religion, or not, you can't deny that's, like, a fecking long time ago. It's an ancient Jewish symbol, that's why they used it on the Israeli flag.
I simply cannot believe you are not fully aware of this, therefore I can only come to one conclusion.
see i can take the labour from most of you because it's in good faith, but colin actually writing shit like this and trying to be an anti-racism warrior is just absurd, can't take it seriously at allWhich is exactly the point!
It's so overtly anti-Semitic it's not even difficult to spot.
You do realise the Star Of David was around before the State of Israel, surely. There's a clue in the name, it's been around since the times of, well, King David, actually. Whether you believe in religion, or not, you can't deny that's, like, a fecking long time ago. It's an ancient Jewish symbol, that's why they used it on the Israeli flag.
I simply cannot believe you are not fully aware of this, therefore I can only come to one conclusion.
What exactly do you mean by this?
you don't give a shit about racism colin, you're more outraged about racism coming from no name activists in parties you don't like than you are about significantly more outrageous examples like windrush which you were silent on, because you don't give a shit, you're a bad faith actor who only wants lower taxes
You don't know anything about me and couldn't be further from the truth.
my man you voted for the hostile policy, your lectures on racism aren't worth jack shit, your breaking point with the conservative party wasn't the go home vans, it wasn't windrush, it was a risk to the economy in no deal brexit because selfishness is your sole political agenda
if corbyn was sending vans around london saying "piss off jews" I'd cancel him in a heartbeat ya know
Well that's a relief.
speaking of people who do racism all the time, it's astonishing to see people like Farage talk about labour antisemitism, i imagine that's what the comedy in hell would be, so many layers of irony it makes your head explode
Is there anybody here that actually thinks the documentary was impartial (as the BBC is obliged to be)?
Read some interesting things about the man who made it, John Ware, a former Sun journalist and strident supporter of Israel. He doesn’t like Corbyn much it seems. He wrote of Corbyn as:
“a Labour leader whose entire political career has been stimulated by disdain for the West, appeasement of extremism, and who would barely understand what fighting for the revival of British values is really all about.”
He also wrote:
“It is surely Muslim radicals who have brought it [anti-Muslim bigotry] on their fellow Muslims – by their promotion of Islam as a political ideology, and by invoking Islamophobia to close down criticism of this ideology.”
Imagine how that would sound if one replaces “radical Muslims”, “political Islam” and “Islamophobia” with the equivalents of “Israel zealots”, “hardline Zionism” and “anti-semitism”.
Read some interesting things about the man who made it, John Ware, a former Sun journalist and strident supporter of Israel. He doesn’t like Corbyn much it seems. He wrote of Corbyn as:
“a Labour leader whose entire political career has been stimulated by disdain for the West, appeasement of extremism, and who would barely understand what fighting for the revival of British values is really all about.”
He also wrote:
“It is surely Muslim radicals who have brought it [anti-Muslim bigotry] on their fellow Muslims – by their promotion of Islam as a political ideology, and by invoking Islamophobia to close down criticism of this ideology.”
Imagine how that would sound if one replaces “radical Muslims”, “political Islam” and “Islamophobia” with the equivalents of “Israel zealots”, “hardline Zionism” and “anti-semitism”.
The difference between you and me mate, is that I wrestle with my conscience every time I vote, knowing that, more often than not, the party that I'm voting for is a total feck up, but that the thought of the alternative makes me shudder.
That also extends to voting Lib Dem in the European Elections.
Whereas you are overtly anti-Semitic and you don't even care, trying to deny it and deflecting with your whataboutism.
Not only are you happy to support an anti-Semitic party, but also one that is, by your own admission, overtly racist and anti-LGBT too.
Now, will you fecking stop, because it's late and I need to get some sleep.
That also extends to voting Lib Dem in the European Elections.
Whereas you are overtly anti-Semitic and you don't even care, trying to deny it and deflecting with your whataboutism.
Not only are you happy to support an anti-Semitic party, but also one that is, by your own admission, overtly racist and anti-LGBT too.
Now, will you fecking stop, because it's late and I need to get some sleep.
this is literally everyone
the difference between you and me is that i'm happy to say the exact problems my team has, you'll find dozens of posts here explaining why labour has institutional racism and even bias against hiring the lower classes, i don't go quiet and avoid it when they're having a crisis
Worth noting that Ware is also someone whose journalism was previously praised by one Jeremy Corbyn.
Fixed for you.
What a fecking ridiculous post
Think the anti semitism stuff has been intentionally blown out of proportion. That said, it is clear there is a problem.
Aaron Bastani never fails to come across like a twat.
Aaron Bastani never fails to come across like a twat.
It's just typical Watson. He doesn't care about solving these issues half as much as he does about using it for self-promotion.
That's the biggest issue with this, using it as a proxy war muddies the water and puts the focus on the attacks rather than solving the actual issue of some antisemitic members.
What exactly does she mean by "took time out from her chemotherapy"?
It's not a 24/7 thing, can be fortnightly and take all day though. There is no "taking time out" involved.
It's not a 24/7 thing, can be fortnightly and take all day though. There is no "taking time out" involved.
You're a classy guy aren't you.
There's a huge recovery period with chemotherapy and really they shouldn't even be around large groups. Never mind be put under stress from colleagues using a cancer patient for publicity.
My girlfriend went to a festival during one round of chemotherapy. It depends on the treatment you’re getting of course, but in general you're not just sitting around invalided “with chemotherapy” all the time... in fact you can seem perfectly healthy towards the end of a course.
Colin’s kinda right that the phrasing is a bit weird. Unless she’s actively skipping a course, or coming straight from one when she should be resting - neither of which she should remotely be doing of course, then she’s simply “doing something during the period of time you’re okay doing things” ... in which case it’s a rather gratuitous reference to the fact she’s having chemotherapy.
So, you are saying she can't do anything at all whilst undergoing chemo? In which case, she shouldn't be going to the meeting at all. In any case, she isn't "taking time out".
Edit: What he said ^
It depends where you are in your treatment of course and the level to which you're immune system is compromised at the time. If she was in a period where she was fine then she'd already be at work so wouldn't need to take time off. My boss certainly wasn't fine after a day or a week.
I don't know the specifics of her treatment plan and neither does Colin. If you're first response to those tweets is to question the capability/account of a cancer patient then you really need to reevaluate.
My first response was to question Laura K's ability to write a coherent sentence. If Formby wasn't fit, she wouldn't be meeting anybody and nor would anyone expect her to.
It's not so much what activists have posted or said. It is wholly Corbyn's response. If he condemned it with the same vigour that he champions the Palestinian cause then maybe people would be more circumspect. The fact is, that he does not. He is luke-warm and rote-like with his statements about antisemitism. He goes to Jewish group meetings and says nothing, leaving all the talking to Seumas Milne. He stands on an anti-racist ticket, taking every tiny opportunity to accuse the Tory party of being racists and guess what? He has racists and bigots in his party - shed loads of them. Now even his own deepest prejudices are being exposed. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
@Silva
@Silva
If the Caf microcosmos is in any way representative, the situation is intolerably bad.
Just look at Silva actively fighting against the opposition to actual Nazi propaganda, even calling it "benign" at one point. Then simply continuing after being informed on what he's doing from multiple posters, and feeling so confident about it that he went into counterattacking mode.
One could now say this was only the behaviour of one individual. But the next observation is that there was (and still is) almost no criticism from his own camp, at least as far as I can tell the posters apart. The desire is for things to continue as normal - so the basic takeaway is that this is treated as politically acceptable. Probably uncomfortable for some, but nothing to break ranks for. A quite well-known dynamic.
There are indeed anti semetic elements in Labour, might even be institutional for all I know. But I am convinced part of this is an effort to kill any criticism of the Israeli government. It is difficult to convince me otherwise. Margaret Hodge's own words give it away.
That said, this issue isn't going until Corbyn is gone.
Being your shameless self, I see.
what's his response meant to be? before all this started he had motions in parliament to bring jews to the uk from areas where they are persecuted (see, rise of ISIS), he helped organise rallys against white supremacists etc. etc. he adopted the harshest antisemitism guidelines of any UK party and it's actively being dealt with - some of the interference panaroma was so shocked about being emails saying "yo do it quicker ffs"
of course labour has a shed load of racists, the uk is an extremely racist country, the fact that so many of you are shocked by this says more about your sheltered little worlds than it does labour
Tom Watson was given access to the files he wanted before going public to ask for them. He's a shitstirrer and needs to feck off
I know only subhuman scum quote themselves but I didn't receive a reply and I'd like to know the answer, were the two staffers suffering from mental health suffering from abuse they'd received or because they were crippled by their job as complaint handlers + the complaints to do with antisemitism that they received?
Mathews isn't Jewish so I doubt it's antisemitism directed at him
In reality, it isn’t just Corbyn though. It would start to happen again as long as Labour have a socialist leader who is pro-Palestine.
It’s quite clear when you see the recent media treatment of Ilhan Omar and AOC on the other side of the pond.