Cause for me its this kind of shortsightenend act, which is one of the biggest problems for United in the last years. Everybody is hyping "Yeah we getting Ibra!", i dont get that. You get an striker, who wants naturaly a "first squad" place, and blocking wages and the position where you for the future of the club, "the united way" would fit in here too..., would better install a top young lad with perspectives. I hear arguments in the thread like "its good for merchandise and he is famous" but what he really can deliver and how long? how long if you have to watch another striker ,mouthwatering "ah we need that guy to be great again" instead of acting with some plan in the first place? Normally you have to get rid of Rooney, and it would have been better to not giving Schweinsteiger an anuity contract, and keep hands of Ibra, and getting all your heads together, create a plan for midterm and longterm, by this dont forget to implement the acadamy better, and than use the money for that plan. Dont sticking on short solutions which blocks you for longterm development. But thats OT and too late for me to explain it better..
Henrikh Mkhitaryan | BVB confirm transfer
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Fair enough you've raised some valid points. I disagree ultimately though but I don't want to derail the thread, was just curious.
feck sake just get this done already
I actually still highly rate Januzaj and think he needs a shot. Mata is a fantastic player that has been poorly managed but I don't think he's the right player to move us forward in a Mourinho system. Even with that aside Mata and Januzaj are CAMs while Mhiki is a RW or at least that is where he has been signed to play. We don't even know the fee yet and I'm inclined to believe it's more like £26 which is a bargain price. If you want to see lingard play on the RW for the next season then that's fine and I'll support the club as we struggle for top 4 but if we want to win this league we need to improve NOW.Just a few seasons ago a certain Juan Mata scored 21 goals and had 29 assists in a far stronger league than the Bundesliga. Januzaj was rated as one if the best youngsters in the World..they've been managed by 2 frauds since, do you really think we've seen the best of these players? Are they that bad that we need to throw 42m at a club for a player we can tie up a deal for in January with no fee.
Just noticed your name, you obviously don't live up to it.
I'd say the reason why our whole striker situation changed is because of the emergence of Rashford. No one obviously expected him to make the impact he has made. I think we would have definitely gone for one of Kane or Lukaku this summer if there was no Rashford. But now we want him to lead our line. We have seen his potential. He could be a real star for us. Right now its too much pressure for a 18 year old to ask the lead for United every week. Im not sure he is ready. This is where Zlatan comes in. He is a great striker coming off a career year and a short term solution to help Rashford develop even more without the burden and expectations of leading the line for one of Europe's biggest clubs.
Zlatan is a short term solution because he will stay for two years tops. Two years from now Rashford could pull a Kane and be more matured and ready to be a proper #9 for United, provided he develops of course. In the mean time we are getting a legendary striker for FREE. He is a proven winner and he brings bags of experience with him. He is also a highly marketable player for us. So the money we spend on his wages, we could potentially make it up through his marketability. A person who Rashford can learn from a lot. He trains with Rooney and Zlatan every week. He can learn a lot from those two.
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I have always wondered, why do some people always put the original quote at bottom?
Not having a go, just wondered
I usually don't but I typed that on my phone and it ended up there and couldn't be arsed moving it.
Hah, it's you I always see online with that Aubameyang dude who's always scoring against me!I'm not trying to laugh at your club at all
I actually agree we play terrible football right now and our players maybe aren't as good as I'd like so you won't get an argument out of me there.
.Fecking tedious discussions, can we just hurry up and sign him so the thread can be locked.
Serious offtopicking going on here.
The 26 million pounds was a very good offer. Toni kross to madrid cost 25 million euros for christ sake.
Surely 8% of people have never seen him play.
I can see why some might be apprehensive with the impending acquisition of Mkhitaryan. Despite being deployed on the right on paper, his goals and assists have predominantly come from areas in which he was situated on the left or central positions. Similarly, last season, Mata was a player who inevitably drifted away from the right for most of the game, positioning us to be lopsided, as the main threat on the right was Darmian. Mata on the right needs an attacking right back like Valencia to provide width, likewise in Tuchel's system, the full backs Schmelzer and more pertinently, Piszczek provide a great deal of width. This could potentially be problematic if Jose goes for a right back that is more defensive to complement the exuberance of Shaw, as he done with Arbeloa to complement Marcelo. However, Dortmund's attacking trident interchange, whereas Martial under LVG was often restricted to being a hug line touching winger. Additionally, Willian whilst predominantly playing on the right, I always felt his most notable contributions were when he had momentarily vacated the right, and acted like a water carrier from central positions. In addition, assuming the likelihood that we will be getting Zlatan, it is the case that the two wide players either side of him, in Lucas Moura and Di Maria spend more time in central positions than out wide. Lucas Moura in particular, does a majority of his dribbles from central areas, whereas Di Maria is constantly looking for space from the right, left and mainly central areas, he's at his worst when he's restrained to being a hug line toucher which was one of the overwhelming justifications why he struggled so badly under LVG.
Some are disconcerted with his age, and others find it preposterous that some are apprehensive due to his age. On one hand, 27 is an age where players tend to be at their peak, and it increases the chances of instant gratification which is arguably what we need, given the ramifications we've endured following Ferguson's retirement. But on the other hand, it can be advantageous having a trident who will peak around the same time, and with Rashford (18) and Martial (20) years, I can see why some may be underwhelmed.
There are those not convinced due to him having a season where he was diabolical one season, and then statistically one of the best, the next. Those that defend Mkhitaryan, have tended to claim that he wasn't the only one who under performed in Dortmund's penultimate season. Conversely, there are those who would prefer a player who stands out when the going gets tough, and not the type to capitulate or refuse to take a penalty. In a deeply underwhelming season, where for the most part, we as a team were often ponderously tedious, we had Martial and Rashford who both conveyed individual brilliance, and youthful exuberance. Perhaps those type of people would prefer one another, whilst I would personally welcome the addition of Mkhitaryan,
my ideal choice if we were more appealing, had Champions League, and overall had been on an upwards trajectory since the retirement of Fergie, I would've wanted Dybala to be our RWF. A player who showed great mental strength, when Pogba and the other Juventus players struggled immensely in the beginning of the Serie A 2015/16 season. We could use with a player similar to Hazard, Ribery who are creative wide players, yet concurrently, able to dribble past players from standing point with consummate ease. If we play 4-2-3-1 I'd like to see Mkhitaryan as the no.10 and given Dybala isn't currently feasible, I would be happy with one of Mahrez, Fekir, and Sane (who I feel could potentially end up with that style of play, especially the way he jockeys if you will when he dribbles)
If we play 4-1-4-1 I'd like to see him at RM. If we play 4-2-3-1 I'd like to see him as the no.10. This is ultimately derived from me noticing, that in the games I watched* where he was playing in a 4-2-3-1 system, it was often the case that the no.10 (often Kagawa) wasn't playing as well as the others as Mkhitaryan has a tendency to drift into central positions that Kagawa was occupying in this advanced role. With the 4-3-3 with the point downward, the absence of a no.10 meant there was space for Mkhitaryan (on paper as a RWF) to exploit. If we play 4-3-3 with the point downward, I'd like to see him as a RWF.
*Being a Man Utd fan who became enamoured with Januzaj due to his exploits at academy level, I took it upon myself to watch some Dortmund games, in the hope that he could make a meaningful impact from the bench, playing as a RWF, but unfortunately, there were many instances where I'd watch the full 90 minutes, only for Januzaj to come on with 30 minutes maximum to spare, and at times, he didn't even get on the pitch. Although, admittedly, I enjoyed the way Tuchel had reinvigorated Dortmund, so much so, that I'd like him to be the successor of Jose.
Some are disconcerted with his age, and others find it preposterous that some are apprehensive due to his age. On one hand, 27 is an age where players tend to be at their peak, and it increases the chances of instant gratification which is arguably what we need, given the ramifications we've endured following Ferguson's retirement. But on the other hand, it can be advantageous having a trident who will peak around the same time, and with Rashford (18) and Martial (20) years, I can see why some may be underwhelmed.
There are those not convinced due to him having a season where he was diabolical one season, and then statistically one of the best, the next. Those that defend Mkhitaryan, have tended to claim that he wasn't the only one who under performed in Dortmund's penultimate season. Conversely, there are those who would prefer a player who stands out when the going gets tough, and not the type to capitulate or refuse to take a penalty. In a deeply underwhelming season, where for the most part, we as a team were often ponderously tedious, we had Martial and Rashford who both conveyed individual brilliance, and youthful exuberance. Perhaps those type of people would prefer one another, whilst I would personally welcome the addition of Mkhitaryan,
(Mkhitaryan is a versatile player, as our Reus and Aubameyang who make up the front three in Dortmund's 4-3-3 respectively. Given that they're all versatile players, they tend to interchange frequently. With Martial as a left forward, we would have a versatile players and he's certainly capable of playing as a striker, and provided Memphis was deployed on the left, the same principle applies as he's a wide forward by trade who likes to drift into central positions in the pursuit of goals. And Rashford is versatile himself, often showing glimpses of the individual brilliance he showed at U18 level when momentarily going to the right hand side. Moreover, many playmakers tend to play on the right. For instance, our very own Juan Mata has predominantly played as a RW /LW in his career rather than as a no.10, and it was only one season under Benitez when he done well in that position, and for us, playing as a no.10 has been when Juan Mata has been at his worst, and that's saying something, as exemplified by his 6.75 Whoscored rating as a CAM this season.) Given that Mkhitaryan had his best ever season in the 2015/16 predominantly being deployed as a Right Forward, I would be apprehensive with saying his best position is as a CAM. One thing that is certain though, is that he's a play-maker which would complement the directness of Memphis/Martial respectively. It is often the case that teams tend to have a clinical forward, and a creative one. For instance, Neymar in the 2014/15 season was very clinical, Robben-esque type, whereas it would be Messi being the playmaker. At Bayern, during the days of "Robbery" if you will, it was Ribery who was the playmaker. Mkhitaryan comfortably topped the assist charts in the Bundesliga (leading by 5) and as far as the top 5 European leagues are concerned, only Suarez, Di Maria, Messi and Ozil assisted more.
Mkhitaryan is hard working, and a admittedly simplified way of looking at the wide players Mourinho had at his disposal, whilst managing Real Madrid would be a goal scorer on the left (Ronald) and assist machine on the right (Di Maria.) A firing on all cylinders Memphis would be a goal scoring forward. As for Martial, since we stopped playing a 4-3-3 with the point forward, where Martial was essentially playing as a left winger, the change to the 4-1-4-1 system as led to him initially being a left midfielder with the license to ghost into goal scoring areas as a left forward do, and this had led to him scoring 5 goals and 1 assist)
Mkhitaryan is hard working, and a admittedly simplified way of looking at the wide players Mourinho had at his disposal, whilst managing Real Madrid would be a goal scorer on the left (Ronald) and assist machine on the right (Di Maria.) A firing on all cylinders Memphis would be a goal scoring forward. As for Martial, since we stopped playing a 4-3-3 with the point forward, where Martial was essentially playing as a left winger, the change to the 4-1-4-1 system as led to him initially being a left midfielder with the license to ghost into goal scoring areas as a left forward do, and this had led to him scoring 5 goals and 1 assist)
If we play 4-1-4-1 I'd like to see him at RM. If we play 4-2-3-1 I'd like to see him as the no.10. This is ultimately derived from me noticing, that in the games I watched* where he was playing in a 4-2-3-1 system, it was often the case that the no.10 (often Kagawa) wasn't playing as well as the others as Mkhitaryan has a tendency to drift into central positions that Kagawa was occupying in this advanced role. With the 4-3-3 with the point downward, the absence of a no.10 meant there was space for Mkhitaryan (on paper as a RWF) to exploit. If we play 4-3-3 with the point downward, I'd like to see him as a RWF.
*Being a Man Utd fan who became enamoured with Januzaj due to his exploits at academy level, I took it upon myself to watch some Dortmund games, in the hope that he could make a meaningful impact from the bench, playing as a RWF, but unfortunately, there were many instances where I'd watch the full 90 minutes, only for Januzaj to come on with 30 minutes maximum to spare, and at times, he didn't even get on the pitch. Although, admittedly, I enjoyed the way Tuchel had reinvigorated Dortmund, so much so, that I'd like him to be the successor of Jose.
Great post Absolutely agree with every word , Zlatan is short term fix and a great fit he brings experience , charisma , drama , excitement all things that have been missing since Ronny left , Rashford will be buzzing to train alongside him ( as the nevilles , Becks , scholes etc were with Eric ) and will learn a tremendous amount and will then be ready to be the main man when Zlatan moves on
Martial Zlatan Mkhitaryan
Thats such a tasty front three, possibly one of the best in the league?
Thats such a tasty front three, possibly one of the best in the league?
Yeah I get some sort of gratification out of making rival fans excited
both ruhrnachrichten and BILD have finally confirmed this to be a done deal, at a reported fee of €42m. any official confirmation is still due though. whew.
https://www.ruhrnachrichten.de/spor...Euro-fuer-Henrikh-Mkhitaryan;art11635,3052701
http://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/henrikh-mkhitaryan/fuer-42-mio-zu-Man Utd-46541824.bild.html
(both articles are in german, obvs)
https://www.ruhrnachrichten.de/spor...Euro-fuer-Henrikh-Mkhitaryan;art11635,3052701
http://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/henrikh-mkhitaryan/fuer-42-mio-zu-Man Utd-46541824.bild.html
(both articles are in german, obvs)
Both articles broke about half an hour ago. Its done, hallelujah
done and dusted. dortmund are obliged to instantly inform their shareholders on relevant transfer business such as this one, so the official confirmation will most probably be done first thing tomorrow/today.
EDIT: the last part on their upcoming confirmation is bullshit , as the BILD article says "next week it is"
EDIT: the last part on their upcoming confirmation is bullshit , as the BILD article says "next week it is"
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Thought Waltze said that they would make a decision on the weekend?
yes he did. but now the news broke out, meaning it could already alter their stock value, and as far as i know, they have to go public. but let's see. i'm not an expert on those matters and it may as well take some more days until everything is finally agreed upon AND settled.
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He has also said they wouldn't sell Mkhitaryan
No fecking way I'm saying that name in conversation. This is Britain. He's Henry now.
Just wondering, did you read both articles in German? Anyway kind of feel sorry for you guys by everyone taking your best players but Jesus you have some talent in that squad.
Yeah it's like that. And 77% have seen him week in and week out.
ii had in fact only read the headlines. BILD are actually saying that a deal has been agreed upon, yet it's due to be sealed next week, so forget what i wrote about "first thing tomorrow". mea culpa.
It's weird though, most of them don't do well outside Dortmund(Lewandowski being the most notable exception). There's something to be said for Dortmund's system and staff, making the best out of them.
That said, some of it is for pure daft reasons, like the scouse playing Sahin behind the striker for who the hell knows why, or us pushing Kagawa all over the place on limited minutes. Tbh, though, I think if we'd gone through with Sir Alex's long term plan of chucking Rooney and playing Kagawa in the hole behind RvP, it'd have come good.
Another overrated mediocre midfielder to add to our collection of Mata, Fellaini, Herrera & Schneiderlin. Welcome Armenian Kagawa!
He's a brilliant player, the criticisms some have with him is not based on his talent, but his ability to adapt/play wide/mentally deal with the move. Your username is very apt indeed. Clueless.
Kagawa, Mata and Herrera were brilliant too. He'll soon join them on the list of overpaid signings we don't know what to do with. Play him on the right, play him on the left or is he a number 10...
I could have gone with "I am almost always right", but that would have been too pretentious.
By the way, who the feck are you? Muppet.
The United Facebook page is going to be amazing next season.
Moroni u should playing Mike tartar yam front ahead of marshall Ibrammovic and potato dont playing defens football football vangle.
Moroni u should playing Mike tartar yam front ahead of marshall Ibrammovic and potato dont playing defens football football vangle.
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Rooney still getting picked?
again, we are slow to close our "supposed" deals. Is it normal that we constantly drag on with these transfers? Mkhi's transfer was supposed to be done and dusted at the beginning of the week. Now, it's probably next week.
Zlatan, we've been hearing things before the Euro started.
Zlatan, we've been hearing things before the Euro started.
Its very early in the transfer season (the window hasn't even opened officially!), so we can have some patience I think. Hopefully we will have completed these two signings next week and we would have done well to address three key deficits in our current squad. We then have 1.5 months to look for any upgrades in existing positions that become available. So I am not worried at all.
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I wonder; based on how many watched Dortmund matches are you able to call him overrated and mediocre ?
I saw him in probably 13 full matches last season and definitely wouldn´t call him mediocre. The main problems were already mentioned, he has to adapt to the PL and to the team
and he is a very sensible player, don´t know how this will work out with Mou. But please don´t call him mediocre if you don´t know any of his strengths or judge him based on some
posts or youtube clips.
Our bidding process is of much bigger interest than, say, Crystal Palace's. Hence the perception that we take much longer to finalise our deals. I'd imagine that €38m wasn't the first bid that Marseille received for Batshuayi, but when that bid was accepted it was easy for Chelsea to figure out what the asking price was and offer that.
With Mkhitaryan, we've dealt with a club that didn't really want to sell and a player in the last year of his contract, so naturally we'd start low and work our way up towards their asking price.
With Zlatan, it's been widely reported that he's due a loyalty payout if he doesn't sign for another club by the 1st of July, so despite the deal being informally closed before then with us or any club, there's not been an expectation of a formal announcement before then, surely?
That is a ridiculously stupid post.
Sure is.
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