Mkhitaryan's defensive contribution is the one thing that has always been beyond doubt.
And in his second season however he was still aweful, even if you factor in how badly the team was doing overall at times.
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Mkhitaryan's defensive contribution is the one thing that has always been beyond doubt.
And in his second season however he was still aweful, even if you factor in how badly the team was doing overall at times.
I was more getting at claiming KDB being 55m an absolute bargain is a bit false. It probably represents the right sort of price these days.
I am more than happy paying the quoted prices for Mkhi. We need an injection of instant quality and I believe he will provide it.
Yes we could wait until next year and get him for nothing, but circumstances change.
A lot of factors, but for me, spend the money
I don't get that kind of logic either when clubs from those countries have been completely dominating European competitions in recent years. Top English clubs are being schooled by other top clubs from those countries but fans still think the Premier league is above every other league in the world in the quality of football being played.
Speaks English which is always a plus when a player is settling.
Unfortunately we weren't in a great bargaining position. They didn't want to sell, we desperately need reinforcements, they were always going to command an absolute premium for him, regardless of the remaining length of his contract.
I'm confused. I thought this was already wrapped up 
Dortmund didn't want to sell, unless we paid what they were asking for. Jose wanted the player, the club paid the fee. It's not a big fee, considering the current market, so I don't see what the big deal is here. We got the player the manager wanted, that's the main thing.
I don't know his stats, I judge on what I see.
Second point: they managed to qualify for the euroleague at the end of that season, so they actually had a strong run in. But i dont recall any contribution from Miki, which is exactly my Point.
I'm confused. I thought this was already wrapped up
It is. It's only a matter of time till its announced.
Indeed. In the case of very young players I suppose there are legitimate concerns that a particularly exorbitant fee might have negative consequences for the player in terms of expectations etc.
In case of Mkhitaryan the fee is completely irrelevant, and something absolutely nobody on here has any reason to care about at all. The quibbling over a few million Euros one way or the other is utterly bizarre.
If it meant we signed a player that Mourinho clearly has interest in and will improve us in an area we are currently lacking, then I couldn't care less if the fee was £26m or £56m; the alternative is to watch one of our rivals pay the asking price and miss out on another target (and have to read 30+ new pages on here with posters crying about us dithering over yet another transfer target).
I can't help but feel half of the complaining around transfer fees is because people are worried about rival fans gloating on social media or using it as a stick to beat us with if a player has a poor game.
If the club feel they can afford to pay a certain amount for a transfer, who are we to question that? If nothing else, the club execs are clearly good at managing money.
I can't help but feel half of the complaining around transfer fees is because people are worried about rival fans gloating on social media or using it as a stick to beat us with if a player has a poor game.
If the club feel they can afford to pay a certain amount for a transfer, who are we to question that? If nothing else, the club execs are clearly good at managing money.
Bayern are adding to an existing very strong core. Hummels was poor that season but is a world champion, won 2 bundesliga titles with Dortmund, a cup. Miki has none of those in his cv.
Again, I am not questioning his ability, I am questioning his track record under pressure. Hence the Di Maria comparison
I'm still not convinced that this guy is the best option for that kind of money. Seems a bit soft for the PL. Reminiscent of Kagawa or Mata, although pacier.
For those of you who have no reservations about Mkhi becoming a bigger success than someone like e.g. Sadio Mane or whoever - can you explain why without referring to his stats from last season?
For those of you who have no reservations about Mkhi becoming a bigger success than someone like e.g. Sadio Mane or whoever - can you explain why without referring to his stats from last season?
You seem to know him well.
What do you make of my critisism, that he struggles to deliver under pressure?
There is something that irritates me about him, when things get tough and you have to dig deep.
You know.... Like when Mesut Ozil steps up for a penalty kick, or when Kane lines up for a free kick in an England shirt
Better technique, 2 footed and great decision making, seems a good team player too. He's quicker than he seems.
Last season I got absolutely blasted on here for saying United needed a centre back. Absolutely torched when I added "it won't be long until we have Blind and Carrick at CB"
"Don't be an idiot" "No we won't, don't be stupid" etc
What happened a couple of months later? Blind and Carrick were our CB's to the annoyance of Redcafe.
I think 35m for a 27 year old in the last year of his contract is a lot. And I'll stick with that. The rest of you will probably realise it eventually
How will we eventually realise that it's a lot for a player in the last year of his contract?
He'll either turn out to be worth the money, or he won't. Being in the last year of his contract has nothing to do with his worth to our team.
How many times have you seen him? If you don't mind me asking.
If you want us to be going all the way back then, Mkhitaryan was winning titles in Ukraine and was more influential in a side that had Douglas Costa.
Based on his time at Dortmund I wouldn't say he's a big game specialist.
CL/EL:
13/14: he was the first to get subbed off in Madrid and then wasted all his chances in the return leg, when Dortmund were dominating them.
14/15: he didn't really stand out in any CL games and was fairly anonymous against Juventus.
15/16: I won't count anything before the knock-out matches since no one really took them seriously anyway. Against Porto and Spurs he had four really good matches, the team in general stomped both of them pretty much.
Against Liverpool he was rather anonymous in both matches (aside from scoring a tap in).
Generally speaking his record here is very mediocre, especially in the CL.
BL/Cup:
If we look at the matches vs Bayern he was rather anonymous in them (bar the 0:3 victory in Munich in 14/15), in the last cup final he also refused to take a penalty, so two CBs had to step up.
Thinking about it he really seems more like a follower than a leader. Not someone to step up or bail you out when things aren't going your way.
Who blasted you?
Pretty sure majority of caf agreed we were a centre back and striker short last season.
Well, we're not in the CL next season, so I'll be happy just once he does it against the mid table PL teams we failed to beat under LVG. Cups and titles aren't just won by performing in big games, you need players that are going to bully the lower half teams too.
Throughout last season we all complained about how stale our attack was in creating chances and ultimately scoring goals. It's quite bizarre to me that in light of that the same people are expressing reservations over paying an arguably inflated fee for a guy that contributed so many goals and assists playing in 2 positions that we desperately need strengthening. Throw in the fact that he's at his peak and he seems to have the team mentality and work rate of a "Mourinho player" and he ticks all the boxes.
Can't wait till its confirmed and he's laying it on a plate for Zlatan after linking up with Martial.
Can't wait till its confirmed and he's laying it on a plate for Zlatan after linking up with Martial.
100 pages for this? The media only got wind of this when Riola started talking about the player wanting the move. It was pretty much done from the start.
Its amazing how we have dragged this to the 100 page mark.
The caf loves the transfer season.
Its amazing how we have dragged this to the 100 page mark.
The caf loves the transfer season.
Like all new signings there is no guarantee he will do well, we can only hope for the best. The fact that everyone is yearning for the glory days under SAF to come back ASAP means there is so much pressure on these new signings to hit the ground running, in particular the experienced players who are in their prime. Younger players who should get a bit of slack are being dismissed too quickly.
So it is this pressure from fans and media that will either make or break their season. So no pressure Miki, Ibra and Bailly. Next summer we could be discussing them as poor signings and need to replaced, just like we are doing those who came last summer
So it is this pressure from fans and media that will either make or break their season. So no pressure Miki, Ibra and Bailly. Next summer we could be discussing them as poor signings and need to replaced, just like we are doing those who came last summer
Good to see you've moved on from that eh.
Even if he flops or if he is amazing it still makes sense that he costs 35 mil. He's one of the best attacking players in the world coming off an absolutely brilliant season.
OK Mystic MegAlways someone like this. Have to say though, I doubt anyone blasted you for saying we needed a CB last year.
Did you have fun creating that discussion in your head?
There is actually more pressure on Mou to perform than the player regardless of who we sign and how much we sign them for. Lets say we sign Pogba for £100m. There will still be more pressure on Mou than the pressure to live up to the tag on Pogba. But this is where Mou is good - he is great at socking up all the media pressure and taking the limelight out of his players so they just go about doing their jobs. He thrives under that sort of pressure.
Whats the latest? Signed yet?
Didnt know that, but sort of underlines my general impression.
Have you looked at the thread title ? That's the latest.
I think the general idea is the higher the fee the less we are willing to spend o other players. If we got mkhitaryan for the 26.3 we could have probably paid evenn more for another quality player. At least thats why I'm worried about transfer fees when we are still early in the market. If we had already secured all our major targets and this transfer was on deadline day I wouldn't care if we spent 100 million on him.
The club got moola to spare fam, do not fear. I'm sure Jose been in the loop in regards to finances anyway so he has a clear of idea on what to spend on whom.
Do you think our club is run by amateurs? Do you honestly think an experienced CEO of a company that generates £500m+ in revenue, backed by a team of accountants and financial experts, will spend over the odds and in turn lose out on other targets? Do you think by spending £30m on Mkhitaryan instead of £20m we'll only be able to offer £90m for Pogba instead of £100m?
You can't be that simple, surely?
Firstly a lot of people said that we needed a CB.
Secondly Carrick and Blind both played together at CB for two games in FEBRUARY. We won the first 5-1 and the next 3-2, so if anything you were right to get bashed.
Yes, and reading books is his hobby.
Of course, but that title has been there for at least 2 days, so we must have a different understanding of what the words 'closing in' means
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