Judging by the comment Dortmund Ceo made,its look like we are still no close to signing Mki.
Henrikh Mkhitaryan | BVB confirm transfer
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Afaik the financial year of some/most football clubs goes from July 1st to June 30th.
New "buisness-year" for the taxes, starts here for the BVB on 01.07.
Completely different signing a 30 year old coming off the back of an acl surgery who lost all his pace and physicality, and signing one of the best attackijg mids/wide players last season with bags of pace who suits Mourinhos system perfectly. He'll be a great signing, I'm sure of it. Especially considering the lack of any talent we had on the right before.
Payet isnt a right winger, similar to Di Maria he can play LW or in a midfield 3 going into pockets of space wherever it may appear on the pitch.
Why i think Payet could be a fantastic signing for us is that he has that little bit of class about him to unlock defences when teams park the bus. Just like Silva for City you need that player in the team who can create a opening with a bit of magic when you have ten players defending against you in their own half.
But like other posters have mentioned you have to come in with some serious cash for West Ham to think about selling.
I say pull out the money and sign a player who guarantees you 10+ goals and 15 to 20 assists a season in the premier league
You should go to the Pogba thread and stay there.
I do get what he's saying though, and I agree. Not the comparison with Falcao, but as I've gotten older I have learned it's best to wait to see what a player can do in a United shirt before getting too excited and sure he'll deliver.
Mkhitaryan is 28 years old and Payet is 29.
Plus Payet is proven in the premier league and has been the standout player at the Euros. He's definitely the more complete player in this stage of their careers
Don't worry it took him only two years to play on a top level at Dortmund
A company can have whatever year-end it likes.
United fiscal year ends June 30th. A company can have whatever fiscal year it likes.
27
An annoying meaningless catchphrase.
Deal is done. That's him saving face after he came out and declared Mkhitaryan wasn't for sale.
That too.
By the time joins next month, he will be 40 yrs old at this rate.He turned 27 half a year ago... how on earth do you get 28 out of that? Payet turned 29 at roughly the same time. So there are 2 years between them.
Premier league proven means feck all, when will people understand that?
Oh and 2 games at the euros where he played well in suddenly makes him better then Mkhitaryan who got over 20 goals and over 30 assists last season for Dortmund?
Ffs peopleSeriously, the only people against this signing or with reservations are the ones who have never seen him. People commenting on a supposed lack of pace, or his age, or saying not premier league proven...
He just turned 27, is quicker then pretty much anyone in our team apart from Shaw probably, and just had an undisputedly world class season at Dortmund. And that by playing in the position where we literallt have nobody in, on the right wing. He is a perfect signing and people are still complaining... amazing really.
United targets age like dogs.
Imagine if we always signed PL proven players...we'd either be relegated or out of business!
wow that first touch on the run and turn was enough for me followed by that crushing strike was too much! Exciting times ahead!
Do you know something we don't?
Agreed so what would be the point then of using the money we are spending on a right winger which we need, on a LW which we don't?
Spending anything over £25m on a player approaching 30 who has had one standout season in England, for a mid-table side seems unwise to me. West Ham bought him for £10m but would be looking for crazy money. No thanks.
No player who has had one season in the Premier League guarantees anything really, plenty of players have been one season wonders over the years.
For me to say that he would have to have had 3-5 similar seasons in a row in the PL.
I think either you have some worries about him settling in (which wouldn't be out of order since he had the same problems at Dortmund) or you're very, very happy with this transfer, because his last season was amazing.
I'm not entirely convinced by him honestly, but we do need a RW and he's the best one available. Hope we wrap up this deal quickly and start our CM hunt.
I'm still undecided because he's been a bit hit and miss from what I've seen of him. It does help that most of those that have seen him regularly have been raving about him the past season. Still prefer Mahrez over him though.
His three seasons at Dortmund have been decent, horrific, and amazing, with the last widely credited to a specific manager with a style very different from Mourinho's. He might have the worst career Champions League record I've ever seen for a highly rated attacking player (4 goals, 0 assists in 38 matches). He is a very good signing at the price because his ceiling is very high (as shown by last season) but you really don't know what you're going to get with him. I would have taken him at Arsenal in a second, considering both risk and reward. But he is an ultimate high-risk signing that could go either way and having reservations about banking on that kind of player seems perfectly normal.
I have a question. If "PL proven" is a meaningless catchphrase . Is "He needs time to get accustomed to the league" also a meaningless catchphrase used to cover up some one being wank when they just arrived to the league. Like Ozil
There is always an element of concern as to whether foreign players will settle and adapt to the Premiership, particularly in a physical sence, but since the Bundesliga is well know for its physicality I'm confident that Micki will settle quicker than most
the irony is that payet proves that this epl proven business is nonsense
9 goals and 10 assists in his first season is a bit better then decent. He was just inconsistent. The year after, dortmund as a whole was horrific. Would you have reservations on signing Reus, Aubamayeng, gundogan or hummels? Over the past 3 years, Mkhitaryan has been as good if not better then all bar Auba. Sure, nobody is a guarantee, but Mkhitaryan with his skill set and work rate is perfect on paper for Mourinho and playing on the right for us. Will compliment Martial well on the other side and give us a lot of much needed pace and creativity out there. Seriously, if people were saying Lingard was doing alright for us, its hard to imagine Mkhitaryan not impressing. Its not like he is replacing ronaldo here.
Unless you're buying a safe as houses 'keeper or a young physically imposing full back or centre back who has a very simple role in the team, just about any transfer is a risk, particularly with attacking players. You never really know what you're getting. Even if we bought Ronaldo, there would be people questioning whether he's on the decline or not. If we bought Messi, there would be question marks over whether he'd stay fit or be able to handle the physicality of a full Premier league season.
In fact, thinking about it more, even a no brainer purchase like Schneiderlin whom we all thought would work out well hasn't yet delivered like he was supposed to. Blame whoever you like for that but predicting success for new transfers is an impossible game.
It's all cliched bollocks.
The problem is that some players really do take time to settle in the league, prime example being David Silva who erupted in year 2 at city. The premier league is fast, aggressive and different from the continent so it does take time to adjust to. That's one of the reasons why the premier league proven cliche was created and it has often been true. However, it's not always the case and people spout it out far too often.
Good summary
Mods maybe you can thread mark this post so people don't keep asking/get the wrong info.
Hen-reek Muh-khi-tar-yawn. @Damien
I am tired of the Premier League proven mantra. Leicester won the league ffs.
Last season was Payet's first season here. Did that stop hi being great?
Last season was Payet's first season here. Did that stop hi being great?
His first season he was in the bundesliga team of the year, 9 goals & 10 assists in a brand new league/country/team but you call it 'decent'
Second season he not only had a few injuries and played in a dortmund team that finished a few spots above relegation, all of their players under-performed.
And this past season, you're correct he has been amazing.
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