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Henrikh Mkhitaryan - Do you want him for the reported €38m?


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Can anybody briefly say the key points of the above article.
What I gathered from a quick read

* Miki unsellable until he refused to take penalty in the cup final
* Dortmund initially claimed he would not be sold to become third major departure
* €42m price threshold
* Long before contract negotiations stalled, Miki decided to move out of his apartment in Dortmund
* Miki minor part of José's plan for United which revolves around the two other Raiola clients (Ibra + Pogba)
* Dortmund looking for replacement, among them Leverkusen's Bellarabi, Schürrle and Götze
 
-Mkhitaryan refusing to take a penalty in the cup final plays a role in why Dortmund are willing to sell him.
-Dortmund's threshold is €42m. United's offer is supposedly over €40m.
-Dortmund's leadership wants to discuss this again in the boards/comittees towards the weekend, which is uncommon, but Mkhitaryan has become a political issue now.
-Mkhitaryan only plays a small role in Mourinho's plans, who is mainly trying to sign Pogba and Ibra.
^that one is pretty alarming if true
-However Mkhitaryan is hell-bent on joining United and already canceled his flat in April, long before negotiations with Dortmund broke down.

then he mentions possible successors:
-Dortmund (only) made initial contact with Leverkusen regarding Bellarabi, but they immediately went to the press with it.
-Schürrle, a pesistent rumour, causes surprise in Dortmund.
-Götze is apparently more realistic and might be available for something in the region of €20m.


SZ is one of the most reputable papers in Germany and Röckenhaus is a serious reporter who, given some of his infos, most likely has direct access to some people at BVB. So I doubt he's just making stuff up. On the other hand I recently had the impression that he was willing to exaggerate certain things/trends a bit in order to help Dortmund put a certain spin on events, for example when he reported that some Dortmund players believed that there was a chance that Hummels might stay after all, a couple of days before the move was finalized.
 
The article is pure speculation. A journo giving his opinion on what he heard/thinks, but a lot seems guesswork, also how he worded it.
 
The article is pure speculation. A journo giving his opinion on what he heard/thinks, but a lot seems guesswork, also how he worded it.

Röckenhaus always writes it up like that, but he's connected in Dortmund.
 
Röckenhaus always writes it up like that, but he's connected in Dortmund.

Could be that he got fed sth, but how the feck should he know that Mkhitaryan plays a small role. We got Zlatan before Mkhitaryan anyway, doesnt make sense to me.
 
Could be that he got fed sth, but how the feck should he know that Mkhitaryan plays a small role. We got Zlatan before Mkhitaryan anyway, doesnt make sense to me.

Yes, that's the kind of stuff I meant when I said that he had the impression that some of his recent reports were a bit friendly on Dortmund.
I wouldn't read too much into the supposed Mourinho plan unless there is a second source for it.

He is however apparently very much above the journalistic grind, imo (as in he doesn't seem to have the pressure to make up shit to fill his daily columns), there are often several days or weeks between his articles.
 
-Mkhitaryan refusing to take a penalty in the cup final plays a role in why Dortmund are willing to sell him.
-Dortmund's threshold is €42m. United's offer is supposedly over €40m.
-Dortmund's leadership wants to discuss this again in the boards/comittees towards the weekend, which is uncommon, but Mkhitaryan has become a political issue now.
-Mkhitaryan only plays a small role in Mourinho's plans, who is mainly trying to sign Pogba and Ibra.
^that one is pretty alarming if true
-However Mkhitaryan is hell-bent on joining United and already canceled his flat in April, long before negotiations with Dortmund broke down.

then he mentions possible successors:
-Dortmund (only) made initial contact with Leverkusen regarding Bellarabi, but they immediately went to the press with it.
-Schürrle, a pesistent rumour, causes surprise in Dortmund.
-Götze is apparently more realistic and might be available for something in the region of €20m.


SZ is one of the most reputable papers in Germany and Röckenhaus is a serious reporter who, given some of his infos, most likely has direct access to some people at BVB. So I doubt he's just making stuff up. On the other hand I recently had the impression that he was willing to exaggerate certain things/trends a bit in order to help Dortmund put a certain spin on events, for example when he reported that some Dortmund players believed that there was a chance that Hummels might stay after all, a couple of days before the move was finalized.
There's no way I believe that Mkhitaryan not important part. Mourinho and Faria went to watch him personally.
 


a bit old but apparently if "Ruhr Nachrichten" says so, it's as good as it gets according to Dortmund supporters.
 
Röckenhaus always writes it up like that, but he's connected in Dortmund.
Do you think perhaps it's similar to the situation when Bayern selling Schweinsteiger first started on Bild. They said the fee was 20m euros, when in reality it was 8m.
 
Do you think perhaps it's similar to the situation when Bayern selling Schweinsteiger first started on Bild. They said the fee was 20m euros, when in reality it was 8m.

I don't know him personally, so I won't vouch for him, but I think he's got too much of a reputation to lose to make up wrong numbers which are going to exposed sooner or later.
RN and SportBild both report something around €40m, too.
 
I don't know him personally, so I won't vouch for him, but I think he's got too much of a reputation to lose to make up wrong numbers which are going to exposed sooner or later.
RN and SportBild both report something around €40m, too.
SportBild I'd discredit, but RN fair enough. It'll be interesting to see if that's the fee with add ons, which looks likely.
 
What do they mean about him bring a minor target for Mourinho? Possibly doing Raiola a favor to get the other two?

I don't know and I think that even if it is actually true there would be no way of anyone on Dortmund's side knowing. Maybe the reasoning is that the initial offer/valuation was €24m, but now United offer more than they initially were prepared to because of Raiola.
What everyone is agreeing on though is that the fee will be around €40m.
 
Not only is Mkihkihi a peripheral player in Mourinho's plans, we've also decided to reveal that during negotiations with Dortmund thinking the "we don't really want him so you should give him to us for free" tactic would work.
 
Not only is Mkihkihi a peripheral player in Mourinho's plans, we've also decided to reveal that during negotiations with Dortmund thinking the "we don't really want him so you should give him to us for free" tactic would work.
Well, it could've been a case of Raiola dropping some comment to suggest that, since he's the man at the heart of all negotiations. But I agree that it sounds implausible.
 
What do they mean about him bring a minor target for Mourinho? Possibly doing Raiola a favor to get the other two?

Much prefer Raiolas favours, his favour is Mikhi while Mendes' was Bebe....
 
When it comes to Dortmund matters that is not even remotely true. Sport Bild has been probably been the paper with by far the best hit/miss quota in the last year. Especially Ostendorp (their lead writer when it comes to Dortmund) appears to have strong sources inside the club. The only journalist who has currently a closer connection to the club is Röckenhaus, who acts as the media mouthpiece of CEO Watzke.

It is not even Bild vs. Sky here, it is "Ruhrnachrichten" (BVB´s media partner) vs. Sky. The former quotes the fee close to 40 Mil. €, the latter 32 Mil. €. I know whom I trust more in this case.

Presumably BVB's "media partner" could put a spin to the story that favors Dortmund, so not sure if they deserve extra legitimacy based solely on that fact?
 
Wouldn't it been more wiser to use this money to sign Payet ?

Someone who instantly gives us a creative option we have been dying for.
 
What I gathered from a quick read

* Miki unsellable until he refused to take penalty in the cup final
* Dortmund initially claimed he would not be sold to become third major departure
* €42m price threshold
* Long before contract negotiations stalled, Miki decided to move out of his apartment in Dortmund
* Miki minor part of José's plan for United which revolves around the two other Raiola clients (Ibra + Pogba)
* Dortmund looking for replacement, among them Leverkusen's Bellarabi, Schürrle and Götze

Maybe that's true but it's awfully convenient that BVB come up with a rational explanation for selling him having previously suggested he wouldn't be going anywhere. Smacks of spinning the story from "He wanted to leave" to "Well actually we're better off without him"
 
Wouldn't it been more wiser to use this money to sign Payet ?

Someone who instantly gives us a creative option we have been dying for.

Are you dizzy, blud? You think 30 million Raheems is gonna get Payet? West Ham would fleece us, they're throwing money around his summer and want to fill their new stadium so I don't think there's a price that would suit United and bring West Ham to the table
 
-Mkhitaryan refusing to take a penalty in the cup final plays a role in why Dortmund are willing to sell him.
-Dortmund's threshold is €42m. United's offer is supposedly over €40m.
-Dortmund's leadership wants to discuss this again in the boards/comittees towards the weekend, which is uncommon, but Mkhitaryan has become a political issue now.
-Mkhitaryan only plays a small role in Mourinho's plans, who is mainly trying to sign Pogba and Ibra.
^that one is pretty alarming if true
-However Mkhitaryan is hell-bent on joining United and already canceled his flat in April, long before negotiations with Dortmund broke down.

then he mentions possible successors:
-Dortmund (only) made initial contact with Leverkusen regarding Bellarabi, but they immediately went to the press with it.
-Schürrle, a pesistent rumour, causes surprise in Dortmund.
-Götze is apparently more realistic and might be available for something in the region of €20m.


SZ is one of the most reputable papers in Germany and Röckenhaus is a serious reporter who, given some of his infos, most likely has direct access to some people at BVB. So I doubt he's just making stuff up. On the other hand I recently had the impression that he was willing to exaggerate certain things/trends a bit in order to help Dortmund put a certain spin on events, for example when he reported that some Dortmund players believed that there was a chance that Hummels might stay after all, a couple of days before the move was finalized.

I can see all that info having truth to it but the bolder part I'm more sceptikal about. How would a German, BVB connected journalist know how Mourinho plans to use him? There's virtually no way unless he a) is connected with Mendes peeps or b) Mourinho told BVB while negotiating "You know what, I don't even really need this guy, I really just need his agent to give me Paul Pogba"

Skeptical
 
Are you dizzy, blud? You think 30 million Raheems is gonna get Payet? West Ham would fleece us, they're throwing money around his summer and want to fill their new stadium so I don't think there's a price that would suit United and bring West Ham to the table

why are you talking like a ?

But to your original point yeah, West Ham know they have hit it big time with Payet and after the Euros would demand 50 odd million for him if he wanted to leave.
 
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why are you talking like a spastic?

But to your original point yeah, West Ham know they have hit it big time with Payet and after the Euros would demand 50 odd million for him if he wanted to leave.

This sort of language isn't cool here, fam

I honestly don't think West Ham will consider selling Payet simply because the circumstances dictate that he is the biggest draw they could hope to have for new fans coming to the Olympic Stadium. It's a unique situation where West Ham genuinely think they can break into the London big boy crowd. I doubt they'd even sit down to negotiate for even 50 million
 
why are you talking like a ?

But to your original point yeah, West Ham know they have hit it big time with Payet and after the Euros would demand 50 odd million for him if he wanted to leave.

Why are you talking like an offensive tosser? If you're over 10 years old you really need to drop the playground insults.
 
Wouldn't it been more wiser to use this money to sign Payet ?

Someone who instantly gives us a creative option we have been dying for.

Mkh(cba spelling his name) is creative and productive.

You'd think we were signing some average player the way people have been going about him.
 
-Mkhitaryan refusing to take a penalty in the cup final plays a role in why Dortmund are willing to sell him.
-Dortmund's threshold is €42m. United's offer is supposedly over €40m.
-Dortmund's leadership wants to discuss this again in the boards/comittees towards the weekend, which is uncommon, but Mkhitaryan has become a political issue now.
-Mkhitaryan only plays a small role in Mourinho's plans, who is mainly trying to sign Pogba and Ibra.
^that one is pretty alarming if true
-However Mkhitaryan is hell-bent on joining United and already canceled his flat in April, long before negotiations with Dortmund broke down.

then he mentions possible successors:
-Dortmund (only) made initial contact with Leverkusen regarding Bellarabi, but they immediately went to the press with it.
-Schürrle, a pesistent rumour, causes surprise in Dortmund.
-Götze is apparently more realistic and might be available for something in the region of €20m.


SZ is one of the most reputable papers in Germany and Röckenhaus is a serious reporter who, given some of his infos, most likely has direct access to some people at BVB. So I doubt he's just making stuff up. On the other hand I recently had the impression that he was willing to exaggerate certain things/trends a bit in order to help Dortmund put a certain spin on events, for example when he reported that some Dortmund players believed that there was a chance that Hummels might stay after all, a couple of days before the move was finalized.
He's probably acting in the best interests of Dortmund and there is nothing wrong with that. An English journo would probably do the same. I wouldn't read too much into it, especially when he says Dortmund's threshold is €42m and our offer is over €40m. Hopefully it all gets done soon.
 
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