Seems to getting closer. But now United has to add the price of a chair to the fee.
Henrikh Mkhitaryan | BVB confirm transfer
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I know some posters think he's too old for us, but this is ridiculous!
This sounds like a rip off! We're not paying for the damn chair slig.
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I was referering to the fact that according to the german yellow press "Rantiola" threw a chair around in the meeting room at BVB.
You have to! The receipt is on the way. So turn your fax on!!
Would you be happy with Schurrle if he does leave?
In no way. He plays not the role Micki plays at us. Plus: he is just to bad, comes never close to Micki. All i know dont rate him high and wishes thats a stupid rumour. I even dont believe that, Wolfsburg and Allofs would never let him go, and his fee and wages would be too much.
Who would you like to see try and replace him, ideally? Haven't seen much of Dembele, all I know is he's a forward. Would he do a Martial and play wide for the minutes, or would you rather you invest the fee in the next big talent?
Lately yes, but not during the last few years of Ferguson's reign. You're only starting to correct the bad habits.
Though tbf, wasn't Memphis seen initially as a marquee signing who will play in the starting XI immediately?
@Freak @cyberman
I know these posts were directed at me, but take note that I never mentioned his age alone as the reason why I don't think he'll age well.
Everyone in this thread is flipping out at their ages when I made it clear in an earlier post that longevity is not all about age. Chill
Your scouting system was in shambles which is how you ended up signing the players mentioned. United is probably the worst of all the big clubs when it comes to scouting youngsters/players in their early 20s. To be fair, again, I'd like to say that transfers fail half of the time, but United seems to get the worst of the crop regularly. This'll be one of the biggest challenges Jose will face if he does intend to stay long term.
I don't think it's unrealistic to expect the 3 years of teething problems to be reduced to just one year or 18 months.
They're all young, but none of them were good enough bar DDG and now Smalling. You obviously still need to be talented, rather than just young. Honestly, who on that list aside from DDG were considered among the best in their position, from their age range, from when you signed them?
You ended up with a lot of young/youngish squad-caliber players that took on bigger roles than they were capable of, that got exposed the minute SAF left. That's not long term planning. If you had signed just a couple of Martial caliber players from 2010-2013, things would be so different.
Regarding Juve, their three-headed CB rotation were all signed ages 29, 23 and 21. Buffon was 23. Evra and Alves are obviously not who I was referring to.
He's not a forward. Played mostly on the right or behind the striker last season.
If you are giving up it must be on!
This is a good question. Even the people who normaly do know a bit more about the plans doesnt have a clue at this time. I personaly do not believe in "a talent" for his position, maybe the list is something like this: Götze, Isco, Yarmolenko, All with a big questionmark. But often our board and Tuchel suprises us. Maybe we go for Kovacic to replace Gündogan, leaving Castro and Kagawa and Rode free for positions in the Offensive Midfield. Maybe Tuchel got a little bit of new structure in mind. All i know is that the premise of letting Micki go is: there has to be a realistic plan in mind, and the fee that Watzke wants.
BVB could do a lot better than Yarmolenko. What about Draxler now that he's not at Schalke anymore?
Kovacic would be an excellent signing for BVB. So would Isco, but Zidane likes him and he will not be cheap.
Valencia's best form came straight after his leg break, people need to stop using this to justify him turning to shite.
Draxler?
That lame lad without skills coming fom our Derby-rival? Too slow and bad in everything for us. No. Also Wolfsburg paid a lot for him, they would want their millions back.Lately yes, but not during the last few years of Ferguson's reign. You're only starting to correct the bad habits.
Though tbf, wasn't Memphis seen initially as a marquee signing who will play in the starting XI immediately?
@Freak @cyberman
I know these posts were directed at me, but take note that I never mentioned his age alone as the reason why I don't think he'll age well.
Everyone in this thread is flipping out at their ages when I made it clear in an earlier post that longevity is not all about age. Chill
Your scouting system was in shambles which is how you ended up signing the players mentioned. United is probably the worst of all the big clubs when it comes to scouting youngsters/players in their early 20s. To be fair, again, I'd like to say that transfers fail half of the time, but United seems to get the worst of the crop regularly. This'll be one of the biggest challenges Jose will face if he does intend to stay long term.
I don't think it's unrealistic to expect the 3 years of teething problems to be reduced to just one year or 18 months.
They're all young, but none of them were good enough bar DDG and now Smalling. You obviously still need to be talented, rather than just young. Honestly, who on that list aside from DDG were considered among the best in their position, from their age range, from when you signed them?
You ended up with a lot of young/youngish squad-caliber players that took on bigger roles than they were capable of, that got exposed the minute SAF left. That's not long term planning. If you had signed just a couple of Martial caliber players from 2010-2013, things would be so different.
Regarding Juve, their three-headed CB rotation were all signed ages 29, 23 and 21. Buffon was 23. Evra and Alves are obviously not who I was referring to.
I agree, we're still living in the limelight of CO92, take that away and we're actually pretty dire
He performed quite well against us and Real Madrid this season, even if his league form was not up to scratch. Still only 22 though, wouldn't be surprised if he recaptured his old form and another club came in for himDraxler?
Gotze and Kovacic whilst keeping Aubameyang would be great business. How much would Gotze cost realistically? Bayern owe you a favour but would a deal ever happen between the two rivals when one didn't have the other over a barrel?
I suspect that your living room and furniture will be far worse off when this deal eventually goes through.
*gets popcorn for the inevitable @slig meltdown*
Never rated Draxler high. No one i know rates him high. He stucks since years. Never delivered anything great over more than 2 games. And is, as i mentioned, from Schlacke.
Bayern wants to get rid of him as soon as possible, dont think that he would cost a high fee. Next year he is for free. The question is more would he help us? Do he wants to come back? Does the board wanting him back? Its all a little bit special with his case.
Do not want him, he was bad at Dortmund in the first 2 seasons. Now he has one good year and wants to move, a mercenary, his behaviour is bad. Besides I think that he is to sensitive, I do not think that he will get along with Mourinho.
No he wasn't, he was't good last season, however neither was the whole team. His first season was good.
So he's in his last year too? As long as he isn't holding out for Liverpool for some reason then I think you'd be favourites.
If you are 27 year old and get an offer from United you take it. It will only come once.
I don't know why we aren't in for Gotze rather than Mkhitaryan. He's younger, has bigger ceiling, is in his last year of his contract and the club wants to get rid. Yet we seems to be after Mkhitaryan, who is inconsistent, Dortmund don't want to sell and would most likely be more expensive due to that...
Hes not as good
I did wonder if any of the other big sides would be in for him. He's got to be better than Liverpool surely?
Better to say:
Short-term acquisition: Zlatan who could the job for 12-18 months
Mid-term strategy: Mkhitaryan (3-5 years)
Long-term strategy: Rashford
Short-term acquisition: Zlatan who could the job for 12-18 months
Mid-term strategy: Mkhitaryan (3-5 years)
Long-term strategy: Rashford
I disagree 12-14 he was great. Still 24 and if he regains his top form he'd be right up there with the best. Mourinho is a manager that can bring him back to top form.
Surely he is. He's a lot similar to Mkhitaryan. THe biggest problem is his inconsistency. While Mkhitaryan had a great season(which Gotze also had in the past) he was pretty crap the season before. If Dortmund bring back Gotze for the same fee they will sell Mkhitaryan to us that would be a great business for them.
The money demanded is looking a bit too much now considering it's his final year. No one else would pay it. We could wait till Christmas and buy him then when Dortmund will be glad to get €20 million. It looks like he's had only one very good season in the Bundesliga : 2015/2016. Nothing exceptional before he came to Germany when playing weaker leagues. He's no spring chicken at 27. He's not going to improve; he's reached his peak. His game is very reliant on the counter attack and if teams continue to park the bus he may find it just as hard as Mata & Co. to break them down. I'll admit Mkhitaryan is more of a José type player as he has no defensive weaknesses (unlike Mata, Di María, and 90% of top attacking players). At the same time, I'd say his skill set is more limited than Mata, or Di María. E.g. I'd prefer Mata's free kicks, although it's almost certain Zlatan will take direct free-kicks if he comes here. Yes, I'd like him at OT, as there are so few José-type attacking players available. At the same time, it's just so embarrassing getting ripped off all the time. We should be bringing players like this though our youth system. I don't expect our youth system to produce a Messi, but it should be able to produce a Mkhitaryan.
Are you invested in MUFC over the stock-exchange? If not why the hell do you care about the extra 10m euros? We are literally shitting money, getting an additional year out of Targaryan as opposed to signing him on a free for next season is well worth it, I could understand your argument if we were cash strapped, but we are quite the opposite.
He is the best available and realistic option, then go get. As a fan I give absolutely zero fecks about spending an additional 10m, but I do care about us challenging already this season as opposed to next, and if Jose thinks M.Targaryan is essential to that, then so be it.
I'd pay 10m for a night with Targaryan, let alone a year.
Rashford?
or do you want it to be a never ending, non-stop conveyor belt of some of the best players in Europe?
You do realise one of our best talents, Adnan Januzaj couldn't get a sniff in the same squad as this guy?
When Mkhitaryan was 21 he couldn't get a place playing in a top league. At least Adnan shows enough to get a loan move to the Bundesliga and a few starts in the PL. If Adnan can iron out his defensive weaknesses he'll be a better player than Mkhitaryan.
His loan move means nothing considering Dortmund indicated what a mistake it was. He started feck all since he joined too.
Hmmm, different kind of players, could never see Januzaj having Mickys workrate. If anything Januzaj as a finished article could look similar to Mahrez. I hope...
Kin hell... based on?
There's faith in our youth, and then there's just over the top nonsense, you see a lot of the latter this time of year.
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Januzaj has never looked remotely close to being a top player. His over-inflated reputation is based on little more than 2 goals against Sunderland and a few decent performances. He was the ray of light in an otherwise insipidly dull and miserable season. People clung to that hope that he was our saviour because there was little ease to look forward to that season. Mkhitaryan is superior in every conceivable way.
Cant wait when this deal finally goes through, and Mkhitaryan isnt a slave anymore. Poor fella probably sits somewhere in Armenia and hopes he gets his dream move.
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