Henrikh Mkhitaryan | BVB confirm transfer

Henrikh Mkhitaryan - Do you want him for the reported €38m?

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Mark Pawelek said:
Not overtaken by any of those 4 because none of them has Adnan's all-round ability, don't play his positions, or are not left-footed. I hope people like you have no influence with United coaches. If we tried to buy Adnan, he'd cost us £50 million in today's market. Your advice is? Just throw a potentially great player away. My advice: get him a different coach.
Something he so obviously has, and has shown since he was 16.
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50mill?
Thats more than Martial before addons. AND HE has not shown half of what Martial has.

Sure he could come good, better than 99% what has he shown to demonstrate that?

Zaha, last season had the 2nd most successful take ons in the league. End product sucked but still shown more than Januzaq.
So should we splash 50mill on Zaha?
 
slig said:
40 mio €, just what i wrote everytime in this thread. Ah, and dont forget to pay for the chair! :lol:
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Your posts are the ones where your username is on the left.;)
 
do.ob said:
I don't get this: German clubs for example usually try to have most of their business done by the time their pre season begins, so their new players have the best possible chance of settling in well and so their coach has the most time to create a cohesive team (again), in the PL however people don't seem to care about that and appear obsessed with deadline day to do major business under huge pressure. If a German club would act like that people would call out the DoF for messing up his transfer window and accuse him of wasting money on damage control. In the PL culture it seems like the opposite.
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Where is the fun in that? surely a final day meltdown is much more entertaining and pinning your entire seasons hopes on what business you can do in the last hour before the deadline closes, this is what makes you feel alive.

You obviously haven't seen Harry Redknapp sticking his head out of his car window. it's what the transfer window is all about.

I have never understood why the transfer window is open once the season has started. I think usually for here the selling club is stalling to hang on for a higher price, before selling and not leaving them enough time to buy a replacement. Berba and Spurs.
 
Raees said:
How has he shown that he can get as many assists/goals as Mkhitaryan.
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It took Mkhitaryan 6 seasons of graft to get where he is.
Raees said:
Mkhitaryan is faster, more agile and has a good eye for goal.
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I don't see how Mkhitaryan is more agile. He is more experienced, and more developed, and probably faster. Mkhitaryan's been playing professionally since he was 19. Every year since 2009, except 2010, has been Armenian footballer of the year. Yet most English fans never knew he existed till this year. Imagine if Armenians had given up on him 6 years ago when he had that dip (2010) we still would not know about him. Kudos to the Armenians for showing faith.
 
Mark Pawelek said:
It took Mkhitaryan 6 seasons of graft to get where he is.
I don't see how Mkhitaryan is more agile. He is more experienced, and more developed, and probably faster. Mkhitaryan's been playing professionally since he was 19. Every year since 2009, except 2010, has been Armenian footballer of the year. Yet most English fans never knew he existed till this year. Imagine if Armenians had given up on him 6 years ago when he had that dip (2010) we still would not know about him. Kudos to the Armenians for showing faith.
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These times that says more about the fans than the player..
 
do.ob said:
I don't get this: German clubs for example usually try to have most of their business done by the time their pre season begins, so their new players have the best possible chance of settling in well and so their coach has the most time to create a cohesive team (again), in the PL however people don't seem to care about that and appear obsessed with deadline day to do major business under huge pressure. If a German club would act like that people would call out the DoF for messing up his transfer window and accuse him of wasting money on damage control. In the PL culture it seems like the opposite.

Now BTT: Mkhitaryan is a risky investment. He can settle in well and pick off where he left last season or this whole deal could turn into a huge clusterfeck for United when he gets in a downward spiral and shuts down completely (like for example 14/15 in Dortmund). Signing him late into the window would make the initial transition a lot harder for him and thus carry a risk.
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Deals should be done as quickly as possible as a norm, but not at a material cost to the transfer fee. Dortmund can plausibly submit to EUR10m less if we haggle so why shouldn't we? There is still an entire month until our pre-season starts.

WRT the risk, I think its relative to other targets. He's the least risky attacker in my honest opinion.. relative to other targets and their price. He'd command a lesser fee than Sane (who is of equal risk) and is more talented than Mane. As for the 14/15 season, its fair to say most the Dortmund squad shut down then. It was a Chelsea-esque season where they were terrible for over half the season.
 
Mark Pawelek said:
It took Mkhitaryan 6 seasons of graft to get where he is.
I don't see how Mkhitaryan is more agile. He is more experienced, and more developed, and probably faster. Mkhitaryan's been playing professionally since he was 19. Every year since 2009, except 2010, has been Armenian footballer of the year. Yet most English fans never knew he existed till this year. Imagine if Armenians had given up on him 6 years ago when he had that dip (2010) we still would not know about him. Kudos to the Armenians for showing faith.
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Speak for yourself. We've known about him here since his Ukraine days.
 
Mark Pawelek said:
It took Mkhitaryan 6 seasons of graft to get where he is.
I don't see how Mkhitaryan is more agile. He is more experienced, and more developed, and probably faster. Mkhitaryan's been playing professionally since he was 19. Every year since 2009, except 2010, has been Armenian footballer of the year. Yet most English fans never knew he existed till this year. Imagine if Armenians had given up on him 6 years ago when he had that dip (2010) we still would not know about him. Kudos to the Armenians for showing faith.
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FFS he was part of the Dortmund side that reached the UCL semis final 2 years ago, not to mention he was one of Shacktars best players before he even went to Dortmund. He is not some unknown player.
 
Mark Pawelek said:
It took Mkhitaryan 6 seasons of graft to get where he is.
I don't see how Mkhitaryan is more agile. He is more experienced, and more developed, and probably faster. Mkhitaryan's been playing professionally since he was 19. Every year since 2009, except 2010, has been Armenian footballer of the year. Yet most English fans never knew he existed till this year. Imagine if Armenians had given up on him 6 years ago when he had that dip (2010) we still would not know about him. Kudos to the Armenians for showing faith.
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Yes it took him 6 years graft. But he did eventually prove himself capable of operating at the highest level and that shouldn't be used against him.

I remember first taking proper notice of him v Real Madrid in the QFs for Dortmund and he wasted shitloads of chances but he was a threat throughout and if they had won that game they would have knocked out the CL would be winners. He can have an impact against the best teams.

Januzaj needs to prove that he has it in him to be of Mkhitaryan standard within 6 years of football. That sounds easy but it is not.

Aside from Pogba and Pique... which United grown players have become top level players in the past 10 years? Rossi? it is super difficult. Yes Mkhitaryan took longer route to the top than most established top 3 club level players but it shouldn't count against him.. he's played for Skahtar and Dortmund.. clubs with good pedigree. He was a regular starter.

Januzaj needs to prove himself at a lesser club first.. we don't even know if he'd make it as a starter at Everton. Is he more talented than a Deuolofeu.
 
VP89 said:
Deals should be done as quickly as possible as a norm, but not at a material cost to the transfer fee. Dortmund can plausibly submit to EUR10m less if we haggle so why shouldn't we? There is still an entire month until our pre-season starts.

WRT the risk, I think its relative to other targets. He's the least risky attacker in my honest opinion.. relative to other targets and their price. He'd command a lesser fee than Sane (who is of equal risk) and is more talented than Mane. As for the 14/15 season, its fair to say most the Dortmund squad shut down then. It was a Chelsea-esque season where they were terrible for over half the season.
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I don't think so, the longer United wait the bigger the downside of a sale gets for Dortmund.

And regarding the second paragraph: have you seen Mkhitaryan in 14/15?
 
do.ob said:
I don't think so, the longer United wait the bigger the downside of a sale gets for Dortmund.

And regarding the second paragraph: have you seen Mkhitaryan in 14/15?
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I didn't actively watch Dortmund beyond a handful of games, but the entire team looked off, him included.

The longer Dortmund hold out, the greater chance they lose him on a free. We're in June with a month to go until pre-season yet.. I think there is still a while before we consider to submit to a 40m bid. As per the independent, we have increased our bid to £28m which isn't far off what they ask anyway. They should really accept this if true.
 
Any chance of Bayern coming in for him? This feels like the sort of transfer where they just come in and pay the 40m euros. But I guess they are quite well stocked with attacking midfielders.
 
DanNistelrooy said:
Any chance of Bayern coming in for him? This feels like the sort of transfer where they just come in and pay the 40m euros. But I guess they are quite well stocked with attacking midfielders.
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No chance Dortmund will sell another player to them in the same summer even if they wanted him. The worry for Dortmund is Bayern scooping him up for free in Jan if they don't sell to us. Bayern love that, great for their brand and diminishes the Dortmund brand every time.
 
DanNistelrooy said:
Any chance of Bayern coming in for him? This feels like the sort of transfer where they just come in and pay the 40m euros. But I guess they are quite well stocked with attacking midfielders.
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Bayern Munich would never sign him even if some people at the club would want him.......to sign another player from Dortmund would give Bayern Munich, Dortmund and the Bundesliga only negative press.
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
Bayern Munich would never sign him even if some people at the club would want him.......to sign another player from Dortmund would give Bayern Munich, Dortmund and the Bundesliga only negative press.
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You really think they give a shit about all that? Its a business and they are running it to win big any way possible.
 
do.ob said:
I don't get this: German clubs for example usually try to have most of their business done by the time their pre season begins, so their new players have the best possible chance of settling in well and so their coach has the most time to create a cohesive team (again), in the PL however people don't seem to care about that and appear obsessed with deadline day to do major business under huge pressure. If a German club would act like that people would call out the DoF for messing up his transfer window and accuse him of wasting money on damage control. In the PL culture it seems like the opposite.

Now BTT: Mkhitaryan is a risky investment. He can settle in well and pick off where he left last season or this whole deal could turn into a huge clusterfeck for United when he gets in a downward spiral and shuts down completely (like for example 14/15 in Dortmund). Signing him late into the window would make the initial transition a lot harder for him and thus carry a risk.
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Classic German efficiency. The English prefer to spend most the summer lobbing furniture around French plazas, followed by a deadline day rush where we watch fans slap reporters with dildos. You have your way, we have ours.
 
Sied said:
Classic German efficiency. The English prefer to spend most the summer lobbing furniture around French plazas, followed by a deadline day rush where we watch fans slap reporters with dildos. You have your way, we have ours.
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:lol:
 
Now the people saying they don't want him because he has only has had one good year, I take it you also don't want Mahrez or Payet either?
 
Just pay the €40m Ed! He's worth that when you compare him with the price of other players being touted around that are less proven. No point thinking about the "contract" thing because we need him this summer, not next.
 
RDCR07 said:
You really think they give a shit about all that? Its a business and they are running it to win big any way possible.
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Still it is a matter of not overharvesting your farm team. We'll sit back for a while and have look at how Dembele and our other talents currently parked there develop. When the time has come, we'll turn our prospects over to the dark side, and cause another fan meltdown.
 
2ndTouch said:
Still it is a matter of not overharvesting your farm team. We'll sit back for a while and have look at how Dembele and our other talents currently parked there develop. When the time has come, we'll turn our prospects over to the dark side, and cause another fan meltdown.
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Yes :lol: loving the attitude.

It is like those vampires in the movies that have certain people they feed from repeatedly, better not suck the subject dry at once but let them replenish the supply.
 
2ndTouch said:
Still it is a matter of not overharvesting your farm team. We'll sit back for a while and have look at how Dembele and our other talents currently parked there develop. When the time has come, we'll turn our prospects over to the dark side, and cause another fan meltdown.
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You've been doing it for the past few years by signing players from Schalke, Dortmund and the rest. It aint going to stop anytime soon.
 
RDCR07 said:
You've been doing it for the past few years by signing players from Schalke, Dortmund and the rest. It aint going to stop anytime soon.
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Gotta quench your thirst from time to time:drool: But we're generous and let you guys have a seat at the feasting table, too. With this transfer, you'll shorten our lead to 3-2.
Meanwhile, we'll turn our attention to Schalke who haven't served us since Neuer in 2011. About time...
 
It is all falling in to place. We vote to remain, the £ soars tomorrow. Woody slaps in the bid. Dortmund fans think they have pulled our pants down but it is pocket change against the weak Euro.
 
Very confident this will be done before the preseason. 35m + 5m bonuses should do it. Come on Raiola, throw a table this time.
 
Mainoldo said:
Still think €40m is robbery.. They wouldn't get that anywhere else!
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Shut up and pay. Selling you rich ignorants overpriced dross is our leagues' promising new business model.
 
VP89 said:
Didn't you buy Gotze?
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Yeah, and we almost managed to deliver that failure over to Liverpool, if it weren't for this fools false sense of superiority:mad:
All hope isn't lost though. Since Löw still banks on him, he might be able to fluke in another good goal in the KOs. This could set things into motion again, and spare us another season.:lol:
 
Attila said:
Mkhitaryan is overpriced dross?
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He's a very capable player. However, he is also one with a pretty fragile mind. It took someone like Tuchel, an emphatic coach, to instill confidence in him. And still, he went AWOL in most of the bigger games Dortmund had.
He could be a good transfer, but there is a good chance he might turn into another Kagawa.
 
2ndTouch said:
He's a very capable player. However, he is also one with a pretty fragile mind. It took someone like Tuchel, an emphatic coach, to instill confidence in him. And still, he went AWOL in most of the bigger games Dortmund had.
He could be a good transfer, but there is a good chance he might turn into another Kagawa.
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I liked Kagawa. He would have undoubtedly taken off had we not impulsively bought RvP and had to shift him wide to make room for Rooney.
 
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