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Henrikh Mkhitaryan - Do you want him for the reported €38m?


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I bet it'll be a Real Madrid cast off. Either Kroos (once Real sign Pogba), or Rodriguez.
Both will be great. James in #10 with Kroos behind him.

Wasn't Kroos benched for some games last season even without Pogba in it? Can't see Modric making place in the starting line up and with Pogba assured to be a starter Kroos probably won't get many game time.
 
Both will be great. James in #10 with Kroos behind him.

Wasn't Kroos benched for some games last season even without Pogba in it? Can't see Modric making place in the starting line up and with Pogba assured to be a starter Kroos probably won't get many game time.
Kroos is a nailed on regular starter for them. This theory that Kroos is somehow surplus to requirements isn't correct, unless Perez has had a sudden change of heart.
 
Kroos is a nailed on regular starter for them. This theory that Kroos is somehow surplus to requirements isn't correct, unless Perez has had a sudden change of heart.
with Pogba in the picture tho will he be one? Who would they drop? I don't think it would be Modric.

They can experiment with Pogba, Modric, Kroos midfield with Pogba in the #10 position but I doubt it would be balanced one.
 
Kroos is a nailed on regular starter for them. This theory that Kroos is somehow surplus to requirements isn't correct, unless Perez has had a sudden change of heart.

It was Ballague before the UCL final who said Kroos wanted to leave, of course things may of changed since then

Kroos would be my ultimate midfield signing, let Madrid have Pogba if it frees up Kroos
 
with Pogba in the picture tho will he be one? Who would they drop? I don't think it would be Modric.

They can experiment with Pogba, Modric, Kroos midfield with Pogba in the #10 position but I doubt it would be balanced one.
No idea. Perhaps Kroos will be dropped occasionally. Perhaps they'll rotate between 3 of Modric, Pogba, Kroos and Casemiro. I just don't see them selling any of their stars other than James.
 
It was Ballague before the UCL final who said Kroos wanted to leave, of course things may of changed since then

Kroos would be my ultimate midfield signing, let Madrid have Pogba if it frees up Kroos
Fair enough, I didn't know about that Ballague quote, though why Kroos would want to leave at this point I've no idea. He's certainly getting lots of game time.
 
This Raiola bloke has convinced me to become an agent myself. Who wants to be my first client?!
 
Does someone have the full article but translated to English? It would be nice to give it a read to see the full picture.
 
I bet it'll be a Real Madrid cast off. Either Kroos (once Real sign Pogba), or Rodriguez.

Robben and Sneijder were Real Madrid cast offs as well and helped lead their teams to a treble within five years. People need to accept that, for now and the near future, Barca and Madrid will continue being the biggest attraction to players all over the world. Lots of talent pass through the Bernabeau and Nou Camp, most of them staying only 2-5 years in RM's case, and it's important to keep an eye on these players when they're sent packing. I know that most of you are traumatized over the Di Maria saga, but transfers fail half the time. It's just the nature of the game. No need to say no to someone like Kroos (who will instantly be a Top 4 CM in the PL) just because Madrid wanted to get rid. They are a circus after all.

EDIT: No offense meant, didn't meant to have go at you, just speaking in general with the Real phobia here :)

Going back to Mkhitaryan, he'd definitely be a great asset but at his age, he's not exactly a long term fix (tbf, same can be said for most of the players available in the market). I think he'd struggle once his pace and stamina declines, as he's not exactly blessed with elite dribbling or passing. Could be a Van Persie-esque transfer for United, get two years, maybe three tops, of great production from him and sell.
 
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Robben and Sneijder were Real Madrid cast offs as well and helped lead their teams to a treble within five years. People need to accept that, for now and the near future, Barca and Madrid will continue being the biggest attraction to players all over the world. Lots of talent pass through the Bernabeau and Nou Camp, most of them staying only 2-5 years in RM's case, and it's important to keep an eye on these players when they're sent packing. I know that most of you are traumatized over the Di Maria saga, but transfers fail half the time. It's just the nature of the game. No need to say no to someone like Kroos (who will instantly be a Top 4 CM in the PL) just because Madrid wanted to get rid. They are a circus after all.

EDIT: No offense meant, didn't meant to have go at you, just speaking in general with the Real phobia here :)

Going back to Mkhitaryan, he'd definitely be a great asset but at his age, he's not exactly a long term fix (tbf, same can be said for most of the players available in the market). I think he'd struggle once his pace and stamina declines, as he's not exactly blessed with elite dribbling or passing. Could be a Van Persie-esque transfer for United, get two years, maybe three tops, of great production from him and sell.
Then would you say City who seem to be in for Nolito (who turns 30 in October) will give them half a year to a year of great performances tops? A player's longevity varies dramatically. But yes you're right in that this would not really be a long term signing (5 years or more).
 
Why does everything has to be long term with united???

It's not the end of the world if a player goes to us and delivers, and feck off in 4 years.

Stop living in the bubble guys. This is not football manager
 
Then would you say City who seem to be in for Nolito (who turns 30 in October) will give them half a year to a year of great performances tops? A player's longevity varies dramatically. But yes you're right in that this would not really be a long term signing (5 years or more).

I agree that it's not about the age, but rather a combo of style of play, physical attributes, injury history and opportunity. I don't think Mkhi's game will age well, but I believe Nolito can play at this level (or maybe at a slightly lower caliber) for 3-4 years. This is of course assuming that both players can handle the physicality of the PL.

If the Embolo links are dead, maybe the club can go for Ounas as a natural successor to Mkhi on the wings, but Sane would've been the dream successor IMO as he has the tools to play anywhere along the 3 behind the striker.
 
Why does everything has to be long term with united???

It's not the end of the world if a player goes to us and delivers, and feck off in 4 years.

Stop living in the bubble guys. This is not football manager
It's insane, isn't it?
 
Starts tomorrow mate! :)
I was just talking and he mentioned that he was involved with Dortmund and I mentioned being a united fan. Talked about the respect United still have around Europe and how they are a great club to work with, I asked him about Mhkitaryan and he said it's a done deal. Now I don't know if this means signed, sealed delivered or as good as done. But he believes he will be joining. They have massive hopes for dembele and mentioned that they're philosophy (hate that word) is to buy the young up and coming talent for reasonable prices and develop them and make a huge profit, it's how they recovered from the troubles they had. Really interesting and impressive how they think!
You are actually the man! I love you
 
- Successful in Armenia, Ukraine and Germany
- Midfielder with 23 goals + 32 assists in 15/16 with Dortmund
- 27 years

OK, I validate the transaction.

 
It's not "everything about United has to be long term", it's more "would you rather spend big on a player that can give you 2-4 years or 5-8?"

I'd argue that United, or Fergie, stopped thinking long term since Ronaldo left and was content adding decent to good players for short term gain. Now you're seeing the effects of this approach. It's not impossible to be a 'big club' in the modern era and think long term. Take Juve for example. They were able to withstand a constantly changing front line, a managerial change and the loss of both Pirlo and Vidal to their midfield, because they've had the same defense for the past 5-6 years.

I am not against adding players who can help you win in the short term, but I'd rather have someone who can help me win both short and long term. Granted, I previously mentioned that there might not be any players of this kind in the market at the moment so this is probably all moot :)
 
We've been doing both though lately haven't we?
Long term: Memphis, Martial, Bailly, talks of Embolo/Jesus/Ounas, promotion of Rashford, cbj, tfm. Zlatan can arguably be seen as long term.
Short term: Zlatan, Mkhitaryan, Bastian, falcao etc.
I think we've gone for a pretty good mix and our transfer strategy is spot on
 
It's not "everything about United has to be long term", it's more "would you rather spend big on a player that can give you 2-4 years or 5-8?"

I'd argue that United, or Fergie, stopped thinking long term since Ronaldo left and was content adding decent to good players for short term gain. Now you're seeing the effects of this approach. It's not impossible to be a 'big club' in the modern era and think long term. Take Juve for example. They were able to withstand a constantly changing front line, a managerial change and the loss of both Pirlo and Vidal to their midfield, because they've had the same defense for the past 5-6 years.

I am not against adding players who can help you win in the short term, but I'd rather have someone who can help me win both short and long term. Granted, I previously mentioned that there might not be any players of this kind in the market at the moment so this is probably all moot :)
We've been doing both though lately haven't we?
Long term: Memphis, Martial, Bailly, talks of Embolo/Jesus/Ounas, promotion of Rashford, cbj, tfm. Zlatan can arguably be seen as long term.
Short term: Zlatan, Mkhitaryan, Bastian, falcao etc.
I think we've gone for a pretty good mix and our transfer strategy is spot on
 
Same age as fecking Bale and what? 2 years older than Ronaldo when Madrid bought him?
 
It's not "everything about United has to be long term", it's more "would you rather spend big on a player that can give you 2-4 years or 5-8?"

I'd argue that United, or Fergie, stopped thinking long term since Ronaldo left and was content adding decent to good players for short term gain. Now you're seeing the effects of this approach. It's not impossible to be a 'big club' in the modern era and think long term. Take Juve for example. They were able to withstand a constantly changing front line, a managerial change and the loss of both Pirlo and Vidal to their midfield, because they've had the same defense for the past 5-6 years.

I am not against adding players who can help you win in the short term, but I'd rather have someone who can help me win both short and long term. Granted, I previously mentioned that there might not be any players of this kind in the market at the moment so this is probably all moot :)
Disagree on SAF didn't look at long term in latter years. SAF always did. The problem is some of his methods are outdated (his time was short so he couldn't reinvent himself again): refused to pay big but reasonable transfer fee and refused to pay agent fee: Hazard, Bale demanded total submission & loyalty: Pogba before giving him chance in first team while his agent happens to be Raiola who is contact renewal killer, be softer than when he's younger: Anderson as prime example of overstayed his welcome, neglect central midfield while focus on CB, Forwards and wingers: Sneijder when he left Real Madrid, Modric before Totenham, Javier Martinez..., not too keen on Latin/ Hispanic players: David Silva, Marcos Senna, Kun Aguero, Alexis Sanchez... (improved in his later years, but still much to desire)...

SAF left a stable defense at his retirement, it's Moyes who broke it down by telling the captains to emulate Jagelska, Evra to constant cross like Baines! Look how much juice Evra has left. Rio was part of the best XI in PL in SAF last year. Evans and Rafael were pretty good in SAF's last year. Smalling Jones always have potential. We're always keen on Shaw. So with a better successor who and utilize the finance prowess better, the transition would better and didn't break the stability of what SAF left at the back.

After Moyes, LVG went a different direction with his philosophy so it's different story altogether: more short term signings.
 
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Ibrahimovic, Mkhitaryan and hopefully experienced CB. A top CM and perhaps another winger if I'm being greedy would be a great summer.

We would have a mixture of experience and youth
 
It's not "everything about United has to be long term", it's more "would you rather spend big on a player that can give you 2-4 years or 5-8?"

I'd argue that United, or Fergie, stopped thinking long term since Ronaldo left and was content adding decent to good players for short term gain. Now you're seeing the effects of this approach. It's not impossible to be a 'big club' in the modern era and think long term. Take Juve for example. They were able to withstand a constantly changing front line, a managerial change and the loss of both Pirlo and Vidal to their midfield, because they've had the same defense for the past 5-6 years.

I am not against adding players who can help you win in the short term, but I'd rather have someone who can help me win both short and long term. Granted, I previously mentioned that there might not be any players of this kind in the market at the moment so this is probably all moot :)

I'd take 2-4 top level performance rather than 5-8 with 3 years teething problems and finding feet in the new league excuses.

How many Ronaldo have we unearthed so far? We bought Jones/Smailing/Rafael/Fabio/Powell/Zaha etc with 5-8 years on the card and look where they got us? Taking big wages and not delivering till today (bar Smailing), it doesn't always pays off giving players 8 years, it's never a guarantee. The odds of finding another Ronaldo is only 1 percent compared to finding dross like Jones
 
Disagree on SAF didn't look at long term in latter years. SAF always did. The problem is some of his methods are outdated (his time was short so he couldn't reinvent himself again): refused to pay big but reasonable transfer fee and refused to pay agent fee: Hazard, Bale demanded total submission & loyalty: Pogba before giving him chance in first team while his agent happens to be Raiola who is contact renewal killer, be softer than when he's younger: Anderson as prime example of overstayed his welcome, neglect central midfield while focus on CB, Forwards and wingers: Sneijder when he left Real Madrid, Modric before Totenham, Javier Martinez..., not too keen on Latin/ Hispanic players: David Silva, Marcos Senna, Kun Aguero, Alexis Sanchez... (improved in his later years, but still much to desire)...

SAF left a stable defense at his retirement, it's Moyes who broke it down by telling the captains to emulate Jagelska, Evra to constant cross like Baines! Look how much juice Evra has left. Rio was part of the best XI in PL in SAF last year. Evans and Rafael were pretty good in SAF's last year. Smalling Jones always have potential. We're always keen on Shaw. So with a better successor who and utilize the finance prowess better, the transition would better and didn't break the stability of what SAF left at the back.

After Moyes, LVG went a different direction with his philosophy so it's different story altogether: more short term signings.

To be brutally honest, we could have paid the agent 15M and still make a profit reselling the respective players before their expiry date. How much do you reckon a player like Pogba/Hazard commands these days? I'd hazard a guess Pogba at around 60M at least and Hazard can easilly get 50M.
 
Need to pay a lot more to compensate for the emotional duress caused by mancunians decked his name up every day. Suggest he go though a tribunal to assess his actual worth.
 
To be brutally honest, we could have paid the agent 15M and still make a profit reselling the respective players before their expiry date. How much do you reckon a player like Pogba/Hazard commands these days? I'd hazard a guess Pogba at around 60M at least and Hazard can easilly get 50M.
Wouldn't you "pogba a guess Hazard can easily get 50M"?
 
It's not "everything about United has to be long term", it's more "would you rather spend big on a player that can give you 2-4 years or 5-8?"

I'd argue that United, or Fergie, stopped thinking long term since Ronaldo left and was content adding decent to good players for short term gain. Now you're seeing the effects of this approach. It's not impossible to be a 'big club' in the modern era and think long term. Take Juve for example. They were able to withstand a constantly changing front line, a managerial change and the loss of both Pirlo and Vidal to their midfield, because they've had the same defense for the past 5-6 years.

I am not against adding players who can help you win in the short term, but I'd rather have someone who can help me win both short and long term. Granted, I previously mentioned that there might not be any players of this kind in the market at the moment so this is probably all moot :)

With the exception of Van Persie all of Ferguson's signings late in his career were 25 and younger.
 
It's not "everything about United has to be long term", it's more "would you rather spend big on a player that can give you 2-4 years or 5-8?"

I'd argue that United, or Fergie, stopped thinking long term since Ronaldo left and was content adding decent to good players for short term gain. Now you're seeing the effects of this approach.

I'd say the opposite. He deliberately planned for his successor, leaving behind a very young squad of players with potential. Maybe Van Persie was brought in to add some much needed fire power straight away, but the rest were long term signings.
 
It's not "everything about United has to be long term", it's more "would you rather spend big on a player that can give you 2-4 years or 5-8?"

I'd argue that United, or Fergie, stopped thinking long term since Ronaldo left and was content adding decent to good players for short term gain. Now you're seeing the effects of this approach. It's not impossible to be a 'big club' in the modern era and think long term. Take Juve for example. They were able to withstand a constantly changing front line, a managerial change and the loss of both Pirlo and Vidal to their midfield, because they've had the same defense for the past 5-6 years.

I am not against adding players who can help you win in the short term, but I'd rather have someone who can help me win both short and long term. Granted, I previously mentioned that there might not be any players of this kind in the market at the

That's not true at all. Apart from RVP only players we signed who were above 25 were Owen, Young and Lindeggard. Young and Lindegaard were 26 when we signed them. Hardly old.

Also since Ronaldo left we signed De Gea, Smallng, Jones, Hernandez, Kagawa, Zaha, Powell and few other younger players.

In Juventus defense 3 out of 5 players were signed when they were above 27. Even narrowing it down 2 out of 5 were signed when they were 30 plus.
 
Short term options like RVP, Tevez got us titles, long term options like Jones, Powell, Zaha etc have either been sold or just costing the club wages. We just need to find the right balance. Fans obsessed with long term options are as unrealistic as fans who want a team filled with academy players
 
We signed Valencia, Ashley Young, Memphis... Hulk wipes the pitch with those players. He can do it in the Champions League too so that's always useful.

Valencia pre leg break wipes the floor with Hulk any day of the week
 
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