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Henrikh Mkhitaryan - Do you want him for the reported €38m?


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When a club hires a player, the player becomes a employee of the club. The employer is free to do what he want with the employee as long as it's within the regulations. What do you mean by getting exploited? The player is going to get paid either or not he's playing, where's the foul play here? If this was not a sport but a company , all these points sounds bizarre.

You miss the point - specifically that clubs and the businessmen running them will try to negotiate a favourable deal for the club. That being the case a professional player, given that they're highly unlikely to be experts in the legal ramifications of contracts, image rights or necessarily be fully aware of their actual worth to the club in terms of commercial deals can easily sign a contract in which he's not paid what he's worth or held to unreasonable terms.

What if a player is young, perhaps not particularly bright. A club slaps down a contract for 5 years that might make him a millionaire - but might also under value what he is actually worth to them. That player knows no better than to sign it, even though he's worth more.

Agents or Lawyers correct the balance in the negotiations. In a day and age where clubs are owned often by businessmen looking to make profit, and where even average clubs generate tens of millions of pounds a year on the back of what these players do on the pitch then to me, it's fair that the players get your fair slice of it.

There are undoubtedly agents out there who shouldn't be involved in the game and it should be regulated. But the concept of agents is a sensible one for the players involved.
 
At 27 one would think he would be in his prime for the next 3-4 seasons. If we can get him in £20m-30m price range I would say it's a good deal. I am however skeptical after what happened with Kagawa.
We have had players both fail and succeed from the same area's/leagues in the past so you can't judge him on Kagawa. They are different players, but if we bought him, like Kagawa, and played him out of position then he would fail too.

We would end up buying no players if the last 3 years are anything to go by if were not buying from places where players had fail previously.
 
the more I think about him the more I like the idea of him joining us, if anything he works hard which is a good sing and can play different positions... and our super brand will expand to Armenia
I dont think half the Armenians have a television
 
Why so sure?

Because it's not Raiola's M.O. When Matuidi was in the exact same situation the press started to speculate, sending him all over Europe and Raiola did the weird thing of putting quickly an end to all speculation.
 
I just citate the latest report of the case from the bvb-close journalist röckenhaus:

Borussia Dortmund, Henrikh Mkhitaryan: Der BVB hat mit dem Wechselverbot für Edeltechniker Henrikh Mkhitaryan ein Zeichen gesetzt. Der Armenier, der eine Verlängerung seines Kontraktes über 2017 hinaus ablehnte, muss in der kommenden Spielzeit somit das Trikot der Dortmunder tragen. Damit verzichtet der Bundesligist wie 2013 bei Robert Lewandowski auf eine hohe Ablösesumme, stoppt aber den drohenden Ausverkauf der Stars. "Wir haben die Frage nach einer vorzeitigen Trennung trotzdem intensiv in allen Gremien diskutiert und sind zu dem Entschluss gekommen, dass Mkhitaryan auch in der nächsten Saison in Dortmund bleibt", sagte BVB-Geschäftsführer Hans-Joachim Watzke der Bild-Zeitung (Mittwoch).

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/fussball-bvb-laesst-mkhitaryan-im-sommer-nicht-gehen-1.3035768

proffessional g-translate:

Borussia Dortmund, Henrikh Mkhitaryan: BVB has set with the change prohibition on precious technician Henrikh Mkhitaryan a sign. The Armenians, who refused an extension of his contract beyond 2017, thus the jersey Dortmund must take in the coming season. To dispense the Bundesliga outfit as 2013 in Robert Lewandowski on a high transfer fee, but will stop the impending sell the Stars. "We discussed the question of a premature separation still intense in all committees and have come to the conclusion that Mkhitaryan also in the next season in Dortmund remains," said BVB CEO Hans-Joachim Watzke Bild-Zeitung (Wednesday).
 
As we are the standard "want a better contract" club that players like use for leverage, any danger this is what's going on here?

No chance whatsoever.

He wants to leave. We are his preferred destination.

This one is going to happen. I am quite certain.

I think we will have brought three players in for under £60m soon. Plenty left for a couple big names too, hopefully.

Who's next is my thinking.
 
Micki on the same pitch as Rooney :lol:
Latest then all will be thinking about "why we gave this limited guy such a new contract?"
 
Watzkes words: "we have come to the conclusion that Mkhitaryan remains also in the next season in Dortmund"
That quote is from a couple of days ago isn't it? Doubt he will actually force him to stay
 
That quote is from a couple of days ago isn't it? Doubt he will actually force him to stay

Yeah, ask Lewandowski what he is thinking about that. He wont agree with you.

Its a few days ago, but i just want to share the latest information coming from a club-close source.
 
Yeah, ask Lewandowski what he is thinking about that.
That was to Bayern though...would Dortmund do the same for a foreign club? Do you think he will be as professional as Lewandowski as well and continue to perform to that level when forced to stay? I'm pretty sure a few of you dortmund fans have questioned his mentality already
 
The CEO said he doesn't want a new contract at all.

Because it's not Raiola's M.O. When Matuidi was in the exact same situation the press started to speculate, sending him all over Europe and Raiola did the weird thing of putting quickly an end to all speculation.

No chance whatsoever.

He wants to leave. We are his preferred destination.

This one is going to happen. I am quite certain.

I think we will have brought three players in for under £60m soon. Plenty left for a couple big names too, hopefully.

Who's next is my thinking.

Good thanks. Let's hope you guys are all right.
 
Limited player being rooney or Micky?

Rooney of course.
In direct comparison on the pitch it will look funny. If you solve to hire Micki, Rooney as a 10 is the past. He will have no chance against Micki. It will be obvious.
 
That was to Bayern though...would Dortmund do the same for a foreign club? Do you think he will be as professional as Lewandowski as well and continue to perform to that level when forced to stay? I'm pretty sure a few of you dortmund fans have questioned his mentality already

Thats a good question! I mean that one after his mentality.
If its a foreign club or not doesnt affect a decision of our managment or CEO. To be honest, Bavarian is also a foreign country :lol:
 
There's nothing new in that article it's just summarizing recent events and I don't see Röckenhaus' name near it.
 
The obsession with age is mind boggling on this forum. That is without mentioning the player in question is a midfielder. Forwards or strikers I can understand, but a being skeptical about a 27 midfielder :lol:
 
Rooney of course.
In direct comparison on the pitch it will look funny. If you solve to hire Micki, Rooney as a 10 is the past. He will have no chance against Micki. It will be obvious.

Nah he won't replace him in the team. Mkhitariyan would play at RW in all likelihood
 
There's nothing new in that article it's just summarizing recent events and I don't see Röckenhaus' name near it.

Youre right, i didnt see it, sorry for that. But i think the part about the BVB comes from him even if the whole bunch of news is without a name.
 
That was to Bayern though...would Dortmund do the same for a foreign club? Do you think he will be as professional as Lewandowski as well and continue to perform to that level when forced to stay? I'm pretty sure a few of you dortmund fans have questioned his mentality already
Ignore him, he is a WUM. Bayern never made a bid of 35m euros for lewandowski, which they wanted. Bayern knew BVB is their little feeder club and lewa was not going anywhere and they were ready to wait for a year to get him for free. Poor business by Bayern's feeder club.
 
Nah he won't replace him in the team. Mkhitariyan would play at RW in all likelihood

If you "fix" him on the right side, you wont get the best out of him. He is no player for a stoneage-like thinking of football where is said "x plays left, y plays right" Look at his games for the BVB and you will see that all his strenghts comes from a fluid game where he defend and press a lot, have a nose for tactical space. If you define him as "attacking right midfield" you wont get the Micki you want.
 
If you "fix" him on the right side, you wont get the best out of him. He is no player for a stoneage-like thinking of football where is said "x plays left, y plays right" Look at his games for the BVB and you will see that all his strenghts comes from a fluid game where he defend and press a lot, have a nose for tactical space. If you define him as "attacking right midfield" you wont get the Micki you want.

Haven't seen him play ever but that sounds scarily similar to Kagawa:nervous:
 
Ignore him, he is a WUM. Bayern never made a bid of 35m euros for lewandowski, which they wanted. Bayern knew BVB is their little feeder club and lewa was not going anywhere and they were ready to wait for a year to get him for free. Poor business by Bayern's feeder club.

Yeah they never made an offer that high, thatswhy we kept him. But thanks for explaining me my own club.
Iam not a WUM, i discuss here on a normal level.
 
That was to Bayern though...would Dortmund do the same for a foreign club? Do you think he will be as professional as Lewandowski as well and continue to perform to that level when forced to stay? I'm pretty sure a few of you dortmund fans have questioned his mentality already
I think it'll be settled soon.

But I think we should have a price which we should not surpass.

He's a good player but if Dortmund are being unreasonable you can just wait it out another year. But like we did with De Gea,they will eventually crumble at some point.

Slig knows as much as the rest of us. The CEO might say one thing,but it's no certainty that he will do exactly that.
 
Ignore him, he is a WUM. Bayern never made a bid of 35m euros for lewandowski, which they wanted. Bayern knew BVB is their little feeder club and lewa was not going anywhere and they were ready to wait for a year to get him for free. Poor business by Bayern's feeder club.

No need to be harping on about the "feeder club" thing, people will just dig further down into the trenches then.

If you "fix" him on the right side, you wont get the best out of him. He is no player for a stoneage-like thinking of football where is said "x plays left, y plays right" Look at his games for the BVB and you will see that all his strenghts comes from a fluid game where he defend and press a lot, have a nose for tactical space. If you define him as "attacking right midfield" you wont get the Micki you want.

In Mourinho's prefered formation which is 4-2-3-1 the 3 behind the striker is interchangeable, I think Mkhitaryan will thrive in such a role.
 
Haven't seen him play ever

Then you missed some of the joy which gives us watching football. Pure asthetic play for me. A melancholic aura, but hardworking and genuine understanding whats happening on the pitch. A combination i never see like that before.
 
Thats a good question! I mean that one after his mentality.
If its a foreign club or not doesnt affect a decision of our managment or CEO. To be honest, Bavarian is also a foreign country :lol:
Keep him and you have a demotivated player who doesn't even want to be at the club and is waiting to leave on a free in 2017. Apparently he doesn't have the professional mercenary mentality of Lewandowski either so his form will probably go down a level. The fans might not appreciate his tactics with Raiola this summer either and apparently this guy needs full support to play well

Sell him and you will probably get 35-45m euro for a player with one year on his contract and can bring in someone who actually wants to play for Dortmund. You already have a good replacement with Ousmane Dembele too.

To me it seems like it's only going to end with him leaving. Edit - this summer I mean
 
To me it seems like it's only going to end with him leaving.

Yes of course. The question is when exactly. But as you mentioned, i can imagine with offered 45 mio € Watzke and Susi will chance their mind.

But: Dembele is no replacement for him.
 
The obsession with age is mind boggling on this forum. That is without mentioning the player in question is a midfielder. Forwards or strikers I can understand, but a being skeptical about a 27 midfielder :lol:

I blame Fifa for this, every player in their 30's stop increasing its overall and their attributes starts declining.
 
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