Nail on head. Anybody who thinks this will result in title being overturned is deluded.
F1 2021 Season
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Nail on head. Anybody who thinks this will result in title being overturned is deluded.
If you knew you were getting screwed, you may as well end the season on your own terms.
Yeah tbh I was a bit surprised they didn't conveniently red flag the session, get them both on fresh tyres and have a restart. That would have been more exciting and probably could have been seen to be in the rules somehow. On the other hand, Verstappen probably wouldn't have won so...also, I guess it was a mad panic job decision from Masi, probably wasn't thinking too clearly at the time, just desperately trying to avoid a damp squib ending to The Bestest Title Race Ever.
Wasn‘t holding Hamilton off either way was he? worst case scenario for Lewis was handing the place back which he would have swiftly retaken he was much faster today. 2 less stops, older tyres and a 8 second lead wiped off from the Perez incident and he was still 13 seconds ahead at the end.
Seems like quite a big deal though if one fecked decision means the whole season changes on it’s head.
Can’t imagine anyone is walking away from that.
Just gotta say the red bull was certainly the marginally better car for at least the first half of the season. That's not to say max hasn't been great but this line people keep trotting out about Mercedes having the best car. Just not true this year, certainly not for all of it.
Even if the decision isn't overturned, Masi simply cannot stay in the job. Just like that Ovrebo guy never reffed another Champion's League match again after that Chelsea debacle.
It's too obvious where his allegiances lie. You need to at least pretend to be neutral.
It's too obvious where his allegiances lie. You need to at least pretend to be neutral.
looks like rewriting wikipedia is trickier than rewriting the outcome of the wdc.
I don’t think it’s allegiances. He gave the wrong call against Max earlier. He just wanted the blockbuster finish and didn’t seem to think how stupid a call it was and how incredibly unfair it was in the scheme of the overall race.
If neither finish, Verstappen wins the title by virtue of more race wins anyway. The only person who would have gained from taking the other out was Max.
I keep reading people talking about how Max deserved this or was a worthy winner but I just don't see how that is relevant?
Imagine Germany and Austria both make it to the World Cup final, having both played brilliant football along the way. Germany are 2 nil up after 85 minutes, having dominated the game, when FIFA, deciding that Germany have won enough world cups and it would be nice to see Austria win one, send a message onto the field, instructing the referee to award them 3 bullshit penalties, one of which isn't even for an incident anywhere near the German box.
Would we all be sitting here afterwards saying "well Austria played great football all tournament and it's just sour grapes to be begrudging them their win. The referee has the authority to call the game as he wants it"?
I'm not English and to be honest, the English coverage of F1 generally puts me off whoever they are fawning over, but the end of that race was an absolute sham.
People are talking about the 11 seconds he lost to the safety car, but you can chalk that down to bad luck. What about the seconds lost to overtaking the 4 lapped cars Max didn't have to overtake? What about the race director making one decision, causing the race leader to make a certain strategy decision, only to change it two minutes later when it was too late to react to the change?
It's completely destroyed the idea of racing. What happened today wasn't sport - it was scripted entertainment.
Imagine Germany and Austria both make it to the World Cup final, having both played brilliant football along the way. Germany are 2 nil up after 85 minutes, having dominated the game, when FIFA, deciding that Germany have won enough world cups and it would be nice to see Austria win one, send a message onto the field, instructing the referee to award them 3 bullshit penalties, one of which isn't even for an incident anywhere near the German box.
Would we all be sitting here afterwards saying "well Austria played great football all tournament and it's just sour grapes to be begrudging them their win. The referee has the authority to call the game as he wants it"?
I'm not English and to be honest, the English coverage of F1 generally puts me off whoever they are fawning over, but the end of that race was an absolute sham.
People are talking about the 11 seconds he lost to the safety car, but you can chalk that down to bad luck. What about the seconds lost to overtaking the 4 lapped cars Max didn't have to overtake? What about the race director making one decision, causing the race leader to make a certain strategy decision, only to change it two minutes later when it was too late to react to the change?
It's completely destroyed the idea of racing. What happened today wasn't sport - it was scripted entertainment.
Only because you didn’t know what you were watching. It was basically the equivalent of having a shootout with one participant having a replica and the other a real gun. Might look like a fair fight on paper but it’s anything but. Every driver on the grid would have expected to get the overtake done in that scenario.
Agreed. There have been plenty of examples all season where RedBull have felt aggrieved by his decisions. The directive today was clearly for the 'grandstand' (marketable) finish.
Yes. But there’s still a chance he comes off better. There was zero chance max was staying behind him - at least with contact anything could happen.
3. U let any laped car as stated in the rules but necessarily all the cars.
Honestly, I could have accepted that. But with Max on fresh tyres and Hamilton's were about 30? laps old then it was pointless even letting them race.
But there were so many ways to have that blockbuster finish without picking THAT decision.
I just don't get it.
If it's incompetence, then he still should go. It's no excuse for cracking under the pressure. If I was Lewis, no way can I race under this guy next year.
Agreed with all of this!
This line keeps getting me. If Hamilton would have won, he also would've been a worthy champion.
No one would've said Hamilton wasn't a worthy champion.
It's all about how Max won today, and ultimately that won him the title.
This is what’s got me because so many people who tuned in today would think that max fair & square beat him in the last lap but anyone who follows the sport would know Lewis had no chance
You're right, can't be said the Merc was the same as the past 6 seasons as having the outright car; RB did catch up and gave Max a car he could compete throughout the season, and they did have a car that looked above M's for a good part.
The best thing he could have done was to make the correct decision right away, which would have allowed for everyone to unlap themselves. But now he first said "we're not going to let them unlap themselves" and then when Red Bull rightly went "erm Michael it's standard procedure to let them unlap themselves, what the hell are you doing?" he probably realized he fecked up and went with this half arsed solution because he had run out of time to do it properly by then. I agree Ferrari and McLaren should be the ones protesting, but I think the outcome would have been the same for Mercedes had Masi made the call to unlap everyone straight away which is what he should have done IMHO.
If you were a fan of F1, you would have been appalled in that final lap.
It really is like being 2-0 up with two minute left of CL final only for the ref shout "the next goal wins", and give the team that was winning two random red cards. The race director chose the winner.
red bull have had him by the bollocks all year long. you can hear the fear in his voice the moment his master jonathan wheatley gets on the radio.
listen to how he tried to be strong and sturdy until red bull reminded him they could race for 1 lap - suddenly that’s what was decided.
pathetic man.
They got his dick pics ?
The big winner of the last 2 weeks is Netflix. Maybe F1 is in bed with them.
It is a shame that Sainz in the Ferrari didn`t complain about the lapped cars in front of him not being released because to release some and not others is the big reason it was entertainment value ahead of sporting integrity.
More like next goal wins after awarding the losing team a penalty.
Maybe worth rewriting that to give your real view on this? That made no sense what you wrote.
He couldn’t let them unlap themselves because people were on the track. Standard procedure is to clear the track, let everyone unlap themselves and then bring the safety car in following lap as they catch up. Any other race the safety car would have been out for another few laps.
I’m still gonna be pissed off at this race for a long while.
Such a shame, it’s been an incredible season between two elite drivers in a class of their own, it deserved a better ending.
Such a shame, it’s been an incredible season between two elite drivers in a class of their own, it deserved a better ending.
which is why it was such a sham.
other races have ended under the safety car before, but because they wanted their showpiece in the desert they let integrity go out the window for a bit netflix controversy. sad.
I really hoped we’d get a winner with little controversy, I think i’d have preferred max punting lewis off the track instead. Getting screwed by the officials just stinks.
You could hear the stress in his voice (Masi) and he buckled under the pressure, it’s as simple as that really, he just made the worst decision of all available to him because he was desperate to not let it finish under a safety car. I’d like to see if anyone outside RB and Mercedes was putting any pressure on him as well. Bosses to make sure it ended under green flags any way possible with the 2 side by side?
I doubt he’ll sleep well tonight and probably will need some counselling by the time this is all over.
I doubt he’ll sleep well tonight and probably will need some counselling by the time this is all over.
Just talking about racing for a minute (god forbid), is there a way that Lewis could have defended that corner? Max's only passing strategy on that track seems to be diving down the inside on those tight corners, could Lewis have done better to defend on 'the lap'?
I thought he could tbh, but then Max would have still lunged and taken him off probably.
I’d have to see it again but I thought when he came back at him he should have gone on the inside rather than on the outside as that was the better track position.
On equivalent tyres yes. He could have held the inside line. But on the tyres he had, if he tried to go offline and defend the inside, Max would nail him on the straight because he would have the line + traction coming out of it. Honestly, 99/100 times that scenario is run, Max wins it. And that 1/100 is Max making a mistake.
I doubt it given the two long straights one after the other. If Hamilton defends him successfully down the first straight, Max would’ve still got him down the second. Old hards Vs fresh softs just isn’t competitive.