Just talking about racing for a minute (god forbid), is there a way that Lewis could have defended that corner? Max's only passing strategy on that track seems to be diving down the inside on those tight corners, could Lewis have done better to defend on 'the lap'?
You mean when Lewis came back on Max? If so this wasn’t possible. Max defended excellently there by hugging the inside line. Lewis had no choice but to go outside.I’d have to see it again but I thought when he came back at him he should have gone on the inside rather than on the outside as that was the better track position.
On fresh tyres, too…Imagine being in a race where your 11 seconds ahead of your competition and essentially your cruising to victory
But an incident occurs with someone way way behind where you are, so everyone slows down until the incident has been cleared up
the race restarts but that competitor you were a moment ago 11 seconds ahead of, is now side by side with you ready to race out the last lap with you
Anyone who thinks that’s fair or right regardless too your thoughts on Hamilton, private message me, I have a number for the Broadmoor sectioning unit you very much need, quite urgently too
I thought Max was in the centre left but Perez had gone far left earlier on Lewis and I thought there was enough space. Would need to look back though.You mean when Lewis came back on Max? If so this wasn’t possible. Max defended excellently there by hugging the inside line. Lewis had no choice but to go outside.
I’m still gonna be pissed off at this race for a long while.
I think we are talking about different incidents? I’m talking last lap, Perez had retired by thenI thought Max was in the centre left but Perez had gone far left earlier on Lewis and I thought there was enough space. Would need to look back though.
so if lewis covered the corner that max overtook on (pulled to the left to stop him diving inside) he’d get a much worse entrance to the straight and lose acceleration.Just talking about racing for a minute (god forbid), is there a way that Lewis could have defended that corner? Max's only passing strategy on that track seems to be diving down the inside on those tight corners, could Lewis have done better to defend on 'the lap'?
No it’s the right incident. But when Perez came back at Lewis after he had overtaken him similar to how Lewis was trying on Max he went very wide left - I thought there was enough gap for Lewis to do the same on Max.I think we are talking about different incidents? I’m talking last lap, Perez had retired by then
That part isn't fair, but it's always been a part of racing. Every racer has benefited and lost from that, it evens itself out over time. The making up the rules on the go to decide races is the whats new.Imagine being in a race where your 11 seconds ahead of your competition and essentially your cruising to victory
But an incident occurs with someone way way behind where you are, so everyone slows down until the incident has been cleared up
the race restarts but that competitor you were a moment ago 11 seconds ahead of, is now side by side with you ready to race out the last lap with you
Anyone who thinks that’s fair or right, regardless too your thoughts on Hamilton, private message me, I have a number for the Broadmoor sectioning unit you very much need, quite urgently too
Nah there wasn’t. Max hugged the line until Hamilton came alongside and then ushered them to the outside.No it’s the right incident. But when Perez came back at Lewis after he had overtaken him similar to how Lewis was trying on Max he went very wide left - I thought there was enough gap for Lewis to do the same on Max.
Well that was basically official answer on Merc protest.Maybe worth rewriting that to give your real view on this? That made no sense what you wrote.
Well that was basically official answer on Merc protest.
Imagine being in a race where your 11 seconds ahead of your competition and essentially your cruising to victory
But an incident occurs with someone way way behind where you are, so everyone slows down until the incident has been cleared up
the race restarts but that competitor you were a moment ago 11 seconds ahead of, is now side by side with you ready to race out the last lap with you
Anyone who thinks that’s fair or right, regardless too your thoughts on Hamilton, private message me, I have a number for the Broadmoor sectioning unit you very much need, quite urgently too
Yeah just watched it back. No room. No is the answer then - absolutely nothing Lewis could do.Nah there wasn’t. Max hugged the line until Hamilton came alongside and then ushered them to the outside.
Did they change the rules mid-race for that?Also, imagine being in a race were by your own mistake you go off the train and ruin your front wing and other bits, effectively ruining your face, but a red flag at the perfect time means you get the opportunity to take that car to the pits, repair all the damage and get second place
Did they change the rules mid-race for that?
verThe making up the rules on the go to decide races is the whats new.
and the team principles need to behave and stop trying to pressure the Race Director.
Wolf and Horner were both guilty.
Verstappen is the Champion, he did what he needed to do.
They couldn't say it from the start unless you expected them to know the precise moment when the track would be cleared.But if they had said from the start that the lapped cars could overtake the safety car, and knowing that Red Bull were on fresh rubber, then Merc could (would) have done the same, knowing that otherwise they'd be at a disadvantage.
The track position was lost because they changed their mind, at the last minute, about the lapped cars.
So away from today's race, a question for those more informed than me. Why is it that the lower teams often have car issues and the top teams don't. Now I'm aware that money must be the answer. But in this day an age surely all teams have enough money to be at a minimum level that the car doesn't randomly die mid race? And would weak teams now not have better technology than top teams did years ago, so why are they still having so many issues?
In fairness this really doesn’t happen that much.So away from today's race, a question for those more informed than me. Why is it that the lower teams often have car issues and the top teams don't. Now I'm aware that money must be the answer. But in this day an age surely all teams have enough money to be at a minimum level that the car doesn't randomly die mid race? And would weak teams now not have better technology than top teams did years ago, so why are they still having so many issues?
You're right, he just described a regular SC / red flag situation. Mercedes have benefited plenty from those. And from other things such as regulation changes (pitstop regs for example). Luck has been on their side more often than not this season. But I can understand why they feel they got fecked over here. It's bad stewarding once again.That wasn't the point he made
Maybe it's just a feeling, but seems like 2-3 of the lower drivers per race will have to retire at some point because of a car issue.In fairness this really doesn’t happen that much.
Just talking about racing for a minute (god forbid), is there a way that Lewis could have defended that corner? Max's only passing strategy on that track seems to be diving down the inside on those tight corners, could Lewis have done better to defend on 'the lap'?
Also, imagine being in a race were by your own mistake you go off the track and ruin your front wing and other bits, effectively ruining your race, but a red flag at the perfect time means you get the opportunity to take that car to the pits, repair all the damage and get second place
Was Mercedes' strategy affected by the way? Feels like they may have gambled on the 5 cars taking too much time from Verstappen to overtake Lewis. If they knew Verstappen would be allowed to just skip those in front of him, obviously they wouldn't let Hamilton become a sitting duck.
The lapped cars getting out of the way is the standard procedure (but all the cars, not just a select few), but they probably thought that they shouldn't gamble in giving up 1st place (Verstappen would not have pitted) and then having the risk of the race ending under SC. Can you imagine what people would be saying about them now if that's how it had played out?Was Mercedes' strategy affected by the way? Feels like they may have gambled on the 5 cars taking too much time from Verstappen to overtake Lewis. If they knew Verstappen would be allowed to just skip those in front of him, obviously they wouldn't let Hamilton become a sitting duck.
teams with lower budgets can’t replace worn parts as often as the bigger teams.Maybe it's just a feeling, but seems like 2-3 of the lower drivers per race will have to retire at some point because of a car issue.
Mercedes we’re likely going to be screwed either way, but they played it safe in the hope the safety car wouldn’t be finished before the end.Was Mercedes' strategy affected by the way? Feels like they may have gambled on the 5 cars taking too much time from Verstappen to overtake Lewis. If they knew Verstappen would be allowed to just skip those in front of him, obviously they wouldn't let Hamilton become a sitting duck.
Yeah that makes sense, cheers. I knew it would be to do with money, but I always pictured that everyone should be rich enough for it to be a very rare occurance.teams with lower budgets can’t replace worn parts as often as the bigger teams.
Also with this year being the last year 90% of these parts will be used, they obviously didn’t make an excess of parts to have laying around.
They might also be having to strain the cars a lot more to gain speed compared to the top cars that are faster with ease, if that makes sense? like an amateur sprinter going up against usain bolt.
Is anyone under the illusion that the race wouldn't have ended under the safety car if Lewis had pitted and Max hadn't? There's no point applying hindsight when the very person conducting the race wants a result.Mercedes we’re likely going to be screwed either way, but they played it safe in the hope the safety car wouldn’t be finished before the end.
If they pitted hamilton and max stayed out, and the safety car never ended - then max wins.
