F1 2021 Season

The only way Max wins the title is the FIA not following their own rules, not even bending them, legitimately ignoring them.

If Latifi doesn't crash Hamilton wins, if the SC rules are applied by the book, Hamilton wins.

It honestly feels like the FIA saw the opportunity for a headline historic finish and scored a complete own goal. In a sport that has reams of rules, it's pretty amazing they just went "nah, they don't matter now".

Should have thrown the red flag, 5 lap sprint and yes had Hamilton lost you would say he's unlucky but at least he had a chance. The FIA have created an absolute circus out of what was an epic season long battle, I expected nothing less.
 
Jerch said:
I see Mercedes are gracious in defeat.
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They had the race wrapped up and Red Bull said it needed a miracle. Then the rules were broken causing them to lose. Why would they be gracious.
 
rpitroda said:
Feck knows it can be done. But I disagree with your notion here of “gifting” him the win. In many ways, what happened gifted Max the win. Yes I know he still had to overtake, but if we are just being honest and not trying to score points in a debate, Max wins in that scenario 99 times out of 100.
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Yeah, I should really rephrase that, under the rules, Lewis would win and he's been robbed.
 
Jerch said:
I see Mercedes are gracious in defeat.
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Did you watch the race and the interviews? Or are you being sarcastic based on Sky’s breaking news banner?

They’re well within their rights to protest.. anyone would.
 
The latest from Abu Dhabi
Sky Sports News' Craig Slater
"Both teams were summoned to the stewards, then they were given a little bit of a break and they were instructed to go back and get their evidence together. This is a continuation of that earlier meeting.
"We could have a decision from the stewards, whether or not they uphold or don't Mercedes' protest, tonight. Mercedes would then have licence via FIA protocols to go via their appeals procedure, but only until Thursday as I understand it because the Prize Giving Ceremony at the FIAto crown the world champion is the cut-off point for all of that.
There would be further recourse via the Court of Arbitration for Sport. Mercedes do think the more serious of the two matters, os the issue of the protocols not being followed. They think that last lap should not have occurred.
"Key to this could be how much discretion Michael Masi had personally to make these calls or to judge when a situation is right or wrong within the framework of the rules."
 
rimaldo said:
there’s only one way to resolve this fairly. wolff, horner, hamilton, verstappen all stand on the start/finish line and see who can piss the furthest.
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I feel like Wolff's height gives him the advantage here, unless Red Bull makes you piss longer...
 
sewey89 said:
If they don’t find anything in the ‘overtake’, which feels like it should be pretty black and white, then what can they actually do?

They can’t punish Max for the the FIA imposing the rules incorrectly, surely?
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Is it a punishment if he only got into this position through their feck up?

Like VAR taking away a brillant goal scored after a legit foul the ref ignored
 
hobbers said:
Well we absolutely do not know that. There's a reason DRS wings are checked so often and with such precision. The more open the flap the faster you go.

But that's by the by. There's always been a difference in applying technical regulations and racing regulations. One is not open to interpretation and nuance and the other always has been.
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Alright then. I tried to engage in a reasonable debate but no.
 
esmufc07 said:
Will there be a decision tonight or is it going to drag on?
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I imagine this will drag on and on until Thursday (which is the line in the sand), whatever happens tonight will no doubt be appealed.

Awful race management. Masi simply had to finish under safety car or have the final lap without the unlapping. He wanted to make a final lap headline more than follow the rules of the sport. Regardless of outcome the rules need to be more rigid, it is crazy that the team principles can talk to the race director during the race. Listening to RB saying "we just need one racing lap" leaves a very bad taste.
 
hellhunter said:
Is it a punishment if he only got into this position through their feck up?

Like VAR taking away a brillant goal scored after a legit foul the ref ignored
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I guess so. But it just doesn’t feel right.

On your theory, it’d be like VAR ruling out Aguero’s goal against QPR 3+ hours after the final whistle when city have already lifted the title because of an ignored foul.

In actually coming around to the idea when I put it like that :lol:
 
Hephaestus said:
I feel like Wolff's height gives him the advantage here, unless Red Bull makes you piss longer...
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it will certainly give an impressive colour to their streams. that’s not actually a deciding factor in a pissing contest but the fia may decide red bull can win with a shorter distance but more flair.
 
sewey89 said:
I guess so. But it just doesn’t feel right.

On your theory, it’d be like VAR ruling out Aguero’s goal against QPR 3+ hours after the final whistle when city have already lifted the title because of an ignored foul.

In actually coming around to the idea when I put it like that :lol:
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Like Brunos penalty after the final whistle last year :D ?
 
GeorgieBoy said:
Who’d win in a fight?

Horner-Toto. I think everything else being equal Toto batters him but suspect Horner would have a mate with a knife behind him.

Max-Lewis. Reckon easy win for Max.
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Horner wins their fight because he'd 100% bring a knife himself. Lewis is a black belt in karate but again, Max might just batter him over the head while he's not looking.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
I am still absolutely amazed that the race director’s reply at the end was that this is motor racing. Formula 1 history is full of races finishing behind the safety car and this is the same guy who ran a race for 2 laps only behind the safety car in this season itself. ITo decide a championship that has run over 8 months by this one moment of madness just because you think it’s probably great for Netflix is absolutely insane. The race was not even close and no one would have batted an eyelid if it had finished behind the SC but to bend the rules just to get drama is so bizarre and then to end it with this is motor racing is hilarious. Try using that in the court if you get sued
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I think Masi had a bet with Paddy Power. :lol:
 
This:

If Latifi doesn't crash Hamilton wins, if the SC rules are applied by the book, Hamilton wins.
 
Maxii said:
A one on one 15 laps tomorrow is how this should be settled
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Problem is. To strip max of it would be unfair on the basis he did nothing wrong.
He raced to instructions. Whether right or wrong.

So many variables could have happened. Hamilton could have spun, Max could have gotten past the back markers and took Hamilton out. We don't know. All we do know is who crossed the line first.

Either Max wins it or there needs to be another way
 
pauldyson1uk said:
The latest from Abu Dhabi
Sky Sports News' Craig Slater
"Both teams were summoned to the stewards, then they were given a little bit of a break and they were instructed to go back and get their evidence together. This is a continuation of that earlier meeting.
"We could have a decision from the stewards, whether or not they uphold or don't Mercedes' protest, tonight. Mercedes would then have licence via FIA protocols to go via their appeals procedure, but only until Thursday as I understand it because the Prize Giving Ceremony at the FIAto crown the world champion is the cut-off point for all of that.
There would be further recourse via the Court of Arbitration for Sport. Mercedes do think the more serious of the two matters, os the issue of the protocols not being followed. They think that last lap should not have occurred.
"Key to this could be how much discretion Michael Masi had personally to make these calls or to judge when a situation is right or wrong within the framework of the rules."
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Which is the hardplace next to the rock:

"discretion Michael Masi had personally to make these calls or to judge when a situation is right or wrong within the framework of the rules"

Either way, that's a farcical outcome for the "sport". Allowing rules to be changed on the fly is never going to stick. Misinterpretation of the rules/human error, maybe. But allowing rules to be changed right at the last minute of a title contest? No way they can admit to that, surely.
 
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