F1 2021 Season

Zen said:
What exactly comes of this..... 1 v 1 shootout lap? Nope.

Think it's been said, but it'll go down like a disastrous ref decision. Just about nothing happening. The officials will state they've done well given no ones been injured in this absurd of seasons too.
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I think if that's the case, Mercedes will go down the legal route as they've clearly broken their rules.

If it were mid-way through the race, you could argue they put their hands up but say half the race was still to go.

But given it was the last lap and had they stuck to the rules, Lewis would be the winner. Hence they have to give it to Lewis - I don't see another optoin
 
Simbo said:
That seems to be the essense of it, if Masi wanted to get more racing laps in rather than finish under SC then he simply takes option 2. The decision to only let those 5 cars through can only of been taken to specifically plant Max behind Lewis which shouldn't even come into the mind of the race director.

Merc have a very strong case.
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Exactly, why not go one car more and have the 3 podium cars unlapped, give sainz his fair chance, then why stop there and let fourth get unlapped to give them chance of a podium. The way they just set it up for second to have a clear run at a guy on 40 lap tires was just amazing, I still can’t believe it.

It was such a shambolic decision it’s laughable!
 
horsechoker said:
I don't watch F1 but is today's finish like this?

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More like this

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Listening to Masi he sounds like someone from a tv program or a film that I know but I just cannot place it.
 
Simbo said:
That seems to be the essense of it, if Masi wanted to get more racing laps in rather than finish under SC then he simply takes option 2. The decision to only let those 5 cars through can only of been taken to specifically plant Max behind Lewis which shouldn't even come into the mind of the race director.

Merc have a very strong case.
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Masi's quote of saying ''This is Motor racing'' looks utterly ridiculous now with what happened in Spa. Was that Motor Racing Michael? WAS IT!!!!??!!! Don't let the door hit you on the way out
 
Thought I’d let the dust settle but still not sure what to make of it all. You can argue both would have been worthy champions and you could argue no one deserves to lose out in that way. Happy to see Lewis taking it with some grace though.

F1 has always been a cruel sport and probably always will be. The rules definitely need looking at though and the following of them needs to be more consistent.

Still, I was a neutral going into this and I am £100 up so not a bad day. I feel some affiliation to Red Bull and it is nice to see a new champion as well.

Anyway it’s F1’s version of silly season now. Who’s looking forward to the new car/livery reveals?! :drool:
 
Asger said:
I’m sure by tomorrow they will give it to Hamilton.
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They need to sort this out by Thursday as the driver is supposed to be officially crowned at the Gala but I reckon this is going to CAS.
 
horsechoker said:
Chelsea's offside goal that won them the title in 2009?
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There's no football comparison I can think of. It would be like a team winning 5-0 and the officials deciding to send four players off from the winning team and making it next goal winner.
 
rpitroda said:
Whilst I agree that this will be the outcome, the likening to a bad referee decision is wrong. It’s more akin to a referee starting a match early when the other team haven’t taken the field and they score a goal. This isn’t judgement. It’s purely a disregard to the laws of the sport.
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This, the have completely ignored the rules of the sport to create a final moment of drama, especially presenting the 'sport' closer to a WWE PPV than and actual sport.

I know Massi is the chosen one so I don't see the FIA making him the fall guy. I do think there is an outside change and a penalty which would therefore change the result. The fact it is being debated in this way by the heads of the sport just shows what an actual decision it was. The race should have just ended with the safety car if everyone could unlap themselves.
 
hellhunter said:
A bit surprised why overturning the race, applying the proper rules, would be seen as more of a farce than having the result stand with completely made up rules.
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While I take the point, you said it yourself....
Applying the proper rules.
That is the point.
You simply cannot have a sport like F1 with it inherent dangers operated by officials who make up the rules to suit their own agenda.
 
They have to repeat the race. That's the only way. Its void.
 
As they are saying know on Sky they really need to tighten up the regs for next year as much as they can - that's been evident for some months imo.
 
It's a lot harder to overturn a judge's decision (than penalise a driver/team for breaking the rules) and I can see this going to CAS.

If it does, CAS don't give a toss about "getting a result on the track", it's rules. But I'm not sure what decision they can come to that changes the result, because I'm not sure they'll say "if they'd let the other cars unlap, the race would be over and Hamilton wins" because they can think it would've happened but don't KNOW it.
 
The Cat said:
As they are saying know on Sky they really need to tighten up the regs for next year as much as they can - that's been evident for some months imo.
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They need to make it easier on themselves to govern. The car defending on the inside HAS to give a cars width. No more pushing/forcing others off track. Its been abused.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
Theres no football equivalent. It’d be like the referee giving a penalty because the ball went out for a corner in the last minute.
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We played Leicester in year they won league and Depay was pulled back from outside the box all the way in and wasn’t given as a pen. We missed out CL on goal difference
 
KirkDuyt said:
Which part specifically is unfair if you look at the rules though? This is a genuine noob question. Having lapped cars pass the sc is common practice though usually it's all cars and not just a few?
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That's the part that breaks their own rules. They should have not let any cars pass or all the cars pass. The only problem is if they let all the cars unlap themselves the race would finished under the safety car.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
Exactly, why not go one car more and have the 3 podium cars unlapped, give sainz his fair chance, then why stop there and let fourth get unlapped to give them chance of a podium. The way they just set it up for second to have a clear run at a guy on 40 lap tires was just amazing, I still can’t believe it.

It was such a shambolic decision it’s laughable!
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I agree with you but it's deplorable rather than laughable.
 
I do want to say though, although I’d very much be in the ‘Team Lewis’ camp… It’s absolute bollocks that the world championship can be decided in this way and the fact we’re still not 100% sure who is the world champion 3 hours after the race finished. It’s shocking incompetence.
 
Drawfull said:
There's a slight precedent for this this season too, as it was discussed at Spa. The main stumbling blocks were the potential lack of available stewards for a Monday race and teh time teams needed to get to the next circuit.
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This is another level obviously with whats at stake. I'm sure they can pay/gather a collection of stewards for one day. The rules weren't adhered to today, that's enough for me to void the result. And yes Max would still be WDC in that case.
 
Disregard Max's "overtake" on lewis under the SC.

But how can they deal with this if it's come to the decision that the FIA fecked up? Surely they can't just hand the race win to Lewis?
 
Fully Fledged said:
That's the part that breaks their own rules. They should have not let any cars pass or all the cars pass. The only problem is if they let all the cars unlap themselves the race would finished under the safety car.
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That wouldn’t be a problem though, it would just be the rules and how things go
 
there’s only one way to resolve this fairly. wolff, horner, hamilton, verstappen all stand on the start/finish line and see who can piss the furthest.
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
It's a lot harder to overturn a judge's decision (than penalise a driver/team for breaking the rules) and I can see this going to CAS.

If it does, CAS don't give a toss about "getting a result on the track", it's rules. But I'm not sure what decision they can come to that changes the result, because I'm not sure they'll say "if they'd let the other cars unlap, the race would be over and Hamilton wins" because they can think it would've happened but don't KNOW it.
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They do know it because the rules state if you let unlapped cars pass the safety car can't come in until the following lap, which in this case was the last lap therefore nothing would have changed.

If the didn't allow unlapped cars pass the race was over as Hamilton had a 5 car buffer, if they did allow they had to have one more SC lap. They did neither, Masi literally made it up.
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
It's a lot harder to overturn a judge's decision (than penalise a driver/team for breaking the rules) and I can see this going to CAS.

If it does, CAS don't give a toss about "getting a result on the track", it's rules. But I'm not sure what decision they can come to that changes the result, because I'm not sure they'll say "if they'd let the other cars unlap, the race would be over and Hamilton wins" because they can think it would've happened but don't KNOW it.
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If it goes to CAS, I would suspect Mercedes have a strong case. The rules don’t only say that all lapped cars have to be let through (if they decide to let them through - they had an option not to), but also that the race resumes on the NEXT lap. Not the lap that it happens. There’s two quite clear contraventions there, I think.
 
It’s fecking crackers.. the more I think about it, the more I can’t work out why Masi did what he did. He knew that by making that call, he was handing Max the title. Lewis was a sitting duck on those tyres vs Max’s.

This is so shit for everyone. Red Bull have done nothing wrong here
 
Masi and the FIA know they have fecked this and it's wrong.

I don't expect the title to change hands and I don't even think, for as much of a complete twat he and his fans are, Max himself would deserve that.

This has definitely damaged F1 though, and it needs fresh fans to come in. The one time they had a shot (and even then, for a joke of a decision), they completely screw it. The only decision they have here is to either double down and be farcical, or change the title and be farcical. As other's have said, I fully expect Masi to be gone and people to take that and forget about all this.
 
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