It’s also that if they let lapped cars through, I think the rules state the safety car comes in on the next lap, not the lap it happens.
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will the fia force max to have an asterisk at the end of his wdc2021 title?
Why?
Broadly there were two ways the rule could be applied while under the safety car.
If they don't let any cars through, Hamilton wins the race in pretty much every scenario.
If they let all the cars through, the race finishes under the safety car and Hamilton still wins.
The obvious problem is that neither side can be 100% sure of the outcome in the first scenario, but considering the winning margin was just over 2 seconds, and it appeared that Hamilton backed off towards the end of the final lap, I'd say it leans in his favour quite considerably.
Edit: what @Leg-End said
Not that I disagree, but it's not the line they used when Lewis DRS was 0.2mm too wide
I’m starting to think they’re going to give Max the 5 second penalty for the SC overtaking to avoid this going to CAS…they know they’ve monumentally fecked up. It’s their out no matter how ridiculous that penalty would be - it’s within the rules to give it.
The logical steps (in my mind) if they decided to correct would be:
- The error was only allowing some of the lapped cars through.
- Even when they did, the rules state that the safety car should be in the next lap, not the lap it happens.
- In which case Hamilton would have been at the front and ergo would have won.
If they decide the act, it’s not about handing Lewis the win. It’s playing the steps of what would have happened, I guess.
and you just made the hole deeper, log off and calm down before you really regret it
Even worse then. I went out after the race and have just come back. If they are making the rules up on the fly it's not a sport it's an entertainment business.
This is like how I felt when I thought an act of God (pandemic) would stop Liverpool winning the title. It didn't.
If you read his post and have to ask why that was my reaction then perhaps he’s not the only one.
I think plenty of people had mentally resigned already around lap 52-53 when it was clear Verstappen couldn't close the gap fast enough. If the race had ended under a Safety Car I don't think there'd have been as much outrage. This really does have an artificial feel over it, as if they just had to make the last lap competitive.
How many that are commenting regarding what will happen are actually still watching sky f1?
Been interesting hearing the discussion on there last few minutes, it's definitely up in the air right now from what I am hearing.
Been interesting hearing the discussion on there last few minutes, it's definitely up in the air right now from what I am hearing.
Aaah makes sense they protest then. Can't really imagine they will overturn the result though.
I am still absolutely amazed that the race director’s reply at the end was that this is motor racing. Formula 1 history is full of races finishing behind the safety car and this is the same guy who ran a race for 2 laps only behind the safety car in this season itself. ITo decide a championship that has run over 8 months by this one moment of madness just because you think it’s probably great for Netflix is absolutely insane. The race was not even close and no one would have batted an eyelid if it had finished behind the SC but to bend the rules just to get drama is so bizarre and then to end it with this is motor racing is hilarious. Try using that in the court if you get sued
The Merc lawyer is the bloke who got City out of their FFP ban?
This is going to be some shit
I think you’re giving him too much credit to be honest.
This is from Sky.
Red Bull & Mercedes back with the stewards
They had left, but now they are back - representatives from Mercedes and Red Bull have returned to the stewards' office in the last few minutes.
Sky F1's Jenson Button:
"It's very serious for both of these teams and they're not going to let up until they've won or lost.
"For Mercedes, they think that they are right and if the rules say that they are right they are going to push it as far as they can."
Red Bull & Mercedes back with the stewards
They had left, but now they are back - representatives from Mercedes and Red Bull have returned to the stewards' office in the last few minutes.
Sky F1's Jenson Button:
"It's very serious for both of these teams and they're not going to let up until they've won or lost.
"For Mercedes, they think that they are right and if the rules say that they are right they are going to push it as far as they can."
you’re just like the cia going after mandela.
This is how I feel. It would be an unjust penalty but you can’t apply the law to the letter for one and not the other.
You may be right, but I cant post what I really think of his post.
i’ll still watch it next year like the little bitch i am.
I think you just did
So basically Lewis would just be gifted the race win, because in any of the scenarios that follows the rules, he does win? Can that be done?
Could have done with that a few weeks back, mind you, they still would have scored the next goal 4 players down.
We both know that the rear wing issue did nothing at all to change that qualifying. So surely given where this season is now, we can just stop trying to score those points in debates?
They did make that last lap a race, but not competitive.
Horner asked for it before the end, and basically confirmed it afterwords on live tv. I think that'll come up again.
that’s what they’d like to do, they’re just asking horner if he’s ok with that or if he would like a different outcome.
What happened at the restart today with both leading cars literally side-by-side absolutely does not happen 'all the time'.
All outcomes are now equally shit from F1's point of view. As others have said, I expect Masi will do a Stratton and the FIA will consider that to be that. Then maybe CAS for months.
It was only on one side of the wing though - so it would have been unbalanced.
Feck knows it can be done. But I disagree with your notion here of “gifting” him the win. In many ways, what happened gifted Max the win. Yes I know he still had to overtake, but if we are just being honest and not trying to score points in a debate, Max wins in that scenario 99 times out of 100.
Who’d win in a fight?
Horner-Toto. I think everything else being equal Toto batters him but suspect Horner would have a mate with a knife behind him.
Max-Lewis. Reckon easy win for Max.
Horner-Toto. I think everything else being equal Toto batters him but suspect Horner would have a mate with a knife behind him.
Max-Lewis. Reckon easy win for Max.
Will there be a decision tonight or is it going to drag on?
I see Mercedes are gracious in defeat.
If they don’t find anything in the ‘overtake’, which feels like it should be pretty black and white, then what can they actually do?
They can’t punish Max for the the FIA imposing the rules incorrectly, surely?
They can’t punish Max for the the FIA imposing the rules incorrectly, surely?