F1 2021 Season

sun_tzu said:
Yup...if nobody was unlapped Lewis won
If everybody unlapped the race was over and Lewis won

Massive twist of protocol to find away to take it away from the only black driver who had the balls to wear a rainbow helmet in the middle east ...
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Really, you posted this and thought it was OK !!!
Think you need to log for a while , this post is a new low.
You have not had a good day have you.
 
Riz said:
Sorry struggling to understand from googling, what does unlapping mean with regards to the 5 cars between Lewis and Max, they're allowed to go past the safety car before everyone else while Lewis, Max and everyone else wait behind the safety car?
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So Lewis had lapped every car on the track. Usually when there is a safety car EVERY lapped car is told that they are allowed unlap themselves to go past the safety car and return to track position behind those that have lapped them. OR you don't allow them to unlap themselves and then restart the race with everyone in the same position as they were when the safety car was called out. What was crazy here is Masi the race director decided that only the five cars between Lewis and Max were allowed to unlap themselves AND THEN immediately call in the safety car (the regulations say that if you were to let cars unlap themselves, the safety car pits the lap after the final car has unlapped itself - which would have meant the safety car staying out until the end of the race). This is against all the agreed upon regulations and just meant that Max who had fresh and softer tires was no allowed to get right behind Lewis (when he previously was like 13 seconds behind / had 5 lapped cars to pass).

The only two ways the race should have finished were either:
1, let all the lapped cars unlap themselves and bring the safety car in the following lap, therefore finishing the race under safety car and giving Lewis the WDC
2, Pit the safety car and for the final lap Lewis would have been in front of those five cars and whilst they would have had to get out of the way for Max, it would have taken a lot longer than the 2 seconds Max ended up winning by. Therefore Lewis would have been WDC.
 
RepardReece said:
So there are two parts Merc are protesting.

1. The restart from the safety car, either all overtaken cars have to overtake or none at all, but only the ones between Lewis and Max ended up overtaking, which was done to ensure the last lap was "raced", if all of them passed, the race probably would've probably ended behind the SC and Lewis would've won. On top of this, I think (correct me if i'm wrong), there has to be a full lap completed under the SC once the cars have unlapped themselves?
2. Max briefly overtook Lewis under the SC, so trying to get him a 5sec penalty here.
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Yup doe either and Lewis wins

They made it up for some reason... I'm guessing they don't like a black chap wearing a rainbow helmet in the middle East
 
Christ I just realised Horner is only 48, we have another 20 years of his burly hemorrhoid face filling our screens.
 
I wonder if we get a situation both get the title. I before people say it ai know trying to move pieces around in no way could they achieve it, points wise or wins. Merc aren’t gonna accept FIA saying yeah Masi fecked he’s now sacked but result stands. It could get messy if that’s what is told to happen. I know it sounds ridiculous but you can’t take the title away from Max, that wasn’t his fault but Lewis got screwed so it’d be unfair to not award him the win.
 
rpitroda said:
One particular view I take issue with is the idea of “you can’t punish Max because the FIA got it wrong”. The only reason Max had the opportunity to pass was because the FIA got it wrong. Correcting a wrong decision shouldn’t not happen because someone loses out.
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A good point.
A lot of the unhappiness here isn’t directed towards Max.
He’s a fantastic driver and for me equally deserving of the title.
But he wouldn’t have been there but for a balls up at the end of this race.
 
Rado_N said:
I’d pay for this if we could guarantee the outcome

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Mickeza said:
What do we think about the overtaking during SC protest? It seems frivolous to me but he does go ahead of Hamilton so if the stewards want to correct everything they could give him a 5 second penalty…
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What caused the overtake or is that irrelevant?

Again, haven't watched in years but I thought he did nose ahead for a second then dropped back but it looked like Hamilton sort of hit the brakes. Obviously haven't seen a replay.
 
GeorgieBoy said:
A good point.
A lot of the unhappiness here isn’t directed towards Max.
He’s a fantastic driver and for me equally deserving of the title.
But he wouldn’t have been there but for a balls up at the end of this race.
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Exactly. Max is a great driver and will win a WC one day. He doesn't need to be given championships by Michael Masi. Ridiculous.
 
passing-wind said:
Wow what a calamity, so the shortfalls are behind the FIA. Sounds like the equivalent of FIFA officials, seems a lack of effort to follow the sports legislation carry across most sports today.

Think it's a bad rep for the F1, especially attracting so many casuals such as myself. To have the climax of the championship decided on a technicality rather than the determination of race strategy is not good. A shame.
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Open the tweet and the relevent bit is circled.

If correct, it appears they bent (broke?) the rules to allow a final lap of racing when it should have finished under the sc


 
A 5 second penalty has surely got to be applied.
FIA have to right their wrong decisions.
 
arnie_ni said:
What caused the overtake or is that irrelevant?

Again, haven't watched in years but I thought he did nose ahead for a second then dropped back but it looked like Hamilton sort of hit the brakes. Obviously haven't seen a replay.
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Yeah it looked very much like Lewis tried to bait him into going past.
 
arnie_ni said:
What caused the overtake or is that irrelevant?

Again, haven't watched in years but I thought he did nose ahead for a second then dropped back but it looked like Hamilton sort of hit the brakes. Obviously haven't seen a replay.
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No the cause is relevant. I don’t think Hamilton does much to force it - and I don’t really get why Max is there - but he didn’t get an advantage that I can see so it shouldn’t be a penalty in my opinion. They’ll only give him one as a way to get out of the mess they’ve made.
 
Mickeza said:
What do we think about the overtaking during SC protest? It seems frivolous to me but he does go ahead of Hamilton so if the stewards want to correct everything they could give him a 5 second penalty…
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If they penalise him for it it’s a bit of a joke. But then the argument for when LH got penalised for the rear wing was, rules are rules. And when they made the announcement of points deductions for dangerous driving, plenty on here said that rules and rules and that’s not how the rules have previously been applied. So, it’s tough. It didn’t have any impact and shouldn’t matter if you use logic. But the same could be said about the rear wing.
 
hobbers said:
I think Merc have to protest it. But that happens so often when the pack is being backed up on a safety car restart and is never penalised. Lewis was 3-4 car lengths ahead at the safety car line.

Honestly it would be one of the biggest shambles in the sports history to penalise for that. I think unlapping only a certain number of cars is a far more valid complaint but with a less clear outcome if it's in any way upheld.
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Yeah I agree. I think that’s a slam dunk - I just have no clue what the feck happens after that. Masi has made a right mess.
 
What exactly comes of this..... 1 v 1 shootout lap? Nope.

Think it's been said, but it'll go down like a disastrous ref decision. Just about nothing happening. The officials will state they've done well given no ones been injured in this absurd of seasons too.
 
macheda14 said:
So Lewis had lapped every car on the track. Usually when there is a safety car EVERY lapped car is told that they are allowed unlap themselves to go past the safety car and return to track position behind those that have lapped them. OR you don't allow them to unlap themselves and then restart the race with everyone in the same position as they were when the safety car was called out. What was crazy here is Masi the race director decided that only the five cars between Lewis and Max were allowed to unlap themselves AND THEN immediately call in the safety car (the regulations say that if you were to let cars unlap themselves, the safety car pits the lap after the final car has unlapped itself - which would have meant the safety car staying out until the end of the race). This is against all the agreed upon regulations and just meant that Max who had fresh and softer tires was no allowed to get right behind Lewis (when he previously was like 13 seconds behind / had 5 lapped cars to pass).

The only two ways the race should have finished were either:
1, let all the lapped cars unlap themselves and bring the safety car in the following lap, therefore finishing the race under safety car and giving Lewis the WDC
2, Pit the safety car and for the final lap Lewis would have been in front of those five cars and whilst they would have had to get out of the way for Max, it would have taken a lot longer than the 2 seconds Max ended up winning by. Therefore Lewis would have been WDC.
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Cheers! I was struggling to see why both unlapping scenarios (all or none) still meant Lewis would have probably won but this explains it.
 
macheda14 said:
So Lewis had lapped every car on the track. Usually when there is a safety car EVERY lapped car is told that they are allowed unlap themselves to go past the safety car and return to track position behind those that have lapped them. OR you don't allow them to unlap themselves and then restart the race with everyone in the same position as they were when the safety car was called out. What was crazy here is Masi the race director decided that only the five cars between Lewis and Max were allowed to unlap themselves AND THEN immediately call in the safety car (the regulations say that if you were to let cars unlap themselves, the safety car pits the lap after the final car has unlapped itself - which would have meant the safety car staying out until the end of the race). This is against all the agreed upon regulations and just meant that Max who had fresh and softer tires was no allowed to get right behind Lewis (when he previously was like 13 seconds behind / had 5 lapped cars to pass).

The only two ways the race should have finished were either:
1, let all the lapped cars unlap themselves and bring the safety car in the following lap, therefore finishing the race under safety car and giving Lewis the WDC
2, Pit the safety car and for the final lap Lewis would have been in front of those five cars and whilst they would have had to get out of the way for Max, it would have taken a lot longer than the 2 seconds Max ended up winning by. Therefore Lewis would have been WDC.
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That seems to be the essense of it, if Masi wanted to get more racing laps in rather than finish under SC then he simply takes option 2. The decision to only let those 5 cars through can only of been taken to specifically plant Max behind Lewis which shouldn't even come into the mind of the race director.

Merc have a very strong case.
 
Zen said:
What exactly comes of this..... 1 v 1 shootout lap? Nope.

Think it's been said, but it'll go down like a disastrous ref decision. Just about nothing happening. The officials will state they've done well given no ones been injured in this absurd of seasons too.
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Whilst I agree that this will be the outcome, the likening to a bad referee decision is wrong. It’s more akin to a referee starting a match early when the other team haven’t taken the field and they score a goal. This isn’t judgement. It’s purely a disregard to the laws of the sport.
 
Zen said:
What exactly comes of this..... 1 v 1 shootout lap? Nope.

Think it's been said, but it'll go down like a disastrous ref decision. Just about nothing happening. The officials will state they've done well given no ones been injured in this absurd of seasons too.
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nothing will happen because they’ve got what they wanted. they broke the rules to get verstappen an advantage, no chance they change their minds.

it’ll go to court and probably get settled somehow.
 
It was making a terrible call to get an exciting final lap, disregard rules for a bit of theater and deal with the consequences later (which won't change the result of the race).
 
Simbo said:
That seems to be the essense of it, if Masi wanted to get more racing laps in rather than finish under SC then he simply takes option 2. The decision to only let those 5 cars through can only of been taken to specifically plant Max behind Lewis which shouldn't even come into the mind of the race director.

Merc have a very strong case.
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The strange thing is Masi did not have to be so blatant with the race fixing.

Even with 4 back markers in front, Max would have a great chance to take Lewis before the end of the lap. The back markers were obliged to move the hell out of the way.
 
altodevil said:
You are watching the wrong sport then. In F1 it is very rare that the best driver wins. Best team, sure.
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Yeah, actually quite sickening todays outcome. Funny how the FIA can twist the rules to decide whichever outcome they’d like. Enough F1 for me, it’s a joke.
 
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