More biased Hamilton fans.
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Can never really appreciate the magnitude of the crashes on TV.
This video really hit home how scary this sport is.
Can never really appreciate the magnitude of the crashes on TV.
This video really hit home how scary this sport is.
Same and he's a brilliant young driver. Future world champion in my eyes.
With his little outburst today - Max may have just gone full Kevin Keegan.
Yes that’s not right from Verstappen.
Yep, Lewis in being a sneaky cnut and getting away with it again shocker.
That's the one! What a driver. Sadly I missed most of his career, being 10 when he died. I signed up for F1TV in part to re-watch his best races in full. Well worth it.
Have you seen it now?
Just browsing insta, and F1 facebook page is full of racist crap. I'd have thought the past weeks of abuse of Saka, Rashford, Sancho taught anyone anything about certain parts of the media and some fans treat young black sportspeople. Obviously everyone in this thread and the majority have valid reasons to dislike him (the tax one is horse shit, almost all F1 drivers live in Monaco and don't pay taxes) but don't act like the racist side of this doesn't exist.
Oh ffs, I generally don’t like Hamilton but why does everything have to turn into racist attacks these days? I’m so sick of knuckle draggers and it feels like they’re becoming more and more vocal.
Aside from the crash itself I still feel like f1 can do red flags better to keep it more in the spirit of the race than like a fresh restart. If repairing damage in a red flag I wonder why don't they just say that any car that has work done has to start from the pit lane?
During the race I even saw Hamilton fan on Twitter say the stewards were racist and thats why they give him a penalty. She is a United fan.
Agree, should just stick to genuine criticism instead of looking to race.
Not really the same thing is it.
No but when I saw that I was sure it would be ugly after the race.
But her comment was not right though.
Its pretty easy to win a championship if you just award points on lap 1.
Quite easily, he could easily have given more Hamilton space. He would have lost the corner, but it would have avoided the crash. There's been two or three times this season those two would have collided if Lewis hadn't been the one to back out.
It boggles my mind that pundits and drivers seem about 60/40 on it being Lewis' fault, a position I agree with, and yet people saying that "10 seconds isn't enough". Its borderline on being a penalty so the magnitude of the punishment should reflect that. To say "well, Lewis is so good he'll get the 10s back" is asinine,
it should have been a 10 second stop and go, not a 10 second penalty.
This “let’s just add seconds to their race” is horse shit, especially if you drive a red bull or Mercedes as those cars are more often than not, nearly one second per lap faster than the next fastest car.
If you decide that Lewis is at fault and therefore destroying Max’s race, his race should be heavily affected as well. A 10 second penalty does not accurately reflect the overall damage the incident caused.
I do wonder if social factors (especially considering last week) didn’t play on the mind of the Stewards in determining the severity of the penalty?
If we look back over time Schumacher got similarly fecked over at Silverstone 94 which inevitably assisted Damon Hill into putting an undeserved title fight together.
I’m pretty confident that Verstappen would have won that race tbh. Hamilton’s pace on mediums wasn’t even better than Leclerc in a Ferrari.
I think the point, though, per the FIA incident report is that they did not conclude it was fully Hamilton’s fault. They concluded it was PREDOMINANTLY his fault. F1 is not so binary that it’s 100:0, 50:50, or 0:100 when it comes to assigning blame for incidents. It is far more nuanced then that. The penalty therefore reflects that the FIA felt that whilst they didn’t quite feel the incident was racing, they also acknowledged that actually it wasn’t all down to Hamilton, or that Hamilton wasn’t reckless.
I think this sums it up well.
And people here wonder why other United fans won't support England for the Euros. Classless fanbase.
The feck has this got to do with England and the Euros? Bizarre.
Both drivers are at fault, Lewis mis judged a risky manouver and Max was overly aggressive in his defending.
It was bound to happen sooner or later, Lewis wasn't just going to keep on conceding the position because Max is very aggressive in his defending.
Max took three different lines in the approach to copse 'defending' against lewis who was carrying greater speed and had every right to make an attempt to get in front, once they got in to the corner either one of them could of and perhaps should of backed out of it but neither gave an inch. Max was the unlucky one this time but it could gone either way or even perhaps they could of both ended up in the barriers.
Max is the one that lost out, maybe a little lesson for him that sometimes its better to concede the position to stay on the track especially we he had a decent lead in the championship, Lewis has already backed out a few times this season to avoid similar incidents but he obviously felt it was time to stand his ground and you can't blame him, behind in the title race, home GP and Mercedes had shown they could compete this weekend.
It was bound to happen sooner or later, Lewis wasn't just going to keep on conceding the position because Max is very aggressive in his defending.
Max took three different lines in the approach to copse 'defending' against lewis who was carrying greater speed and had every right to make an attempt to get in front, once they got in to the corner either one of them could of and perhaps should of backed out of it but neither gave an inch. Max was the unlucky one this time but it could gone either way or even perhaps they could of both ended up in the barriers.
Max is the one that lost out, maybe a little lesson for him that sometimes its better to concede the position to stay on the track especially we he had a decent lead in the championship, Lewis has already backed out a few times this season to avoid similar incidents but he obviously felt it was time to stand his ground and you can't blame him, behind in the title race, home GP and Mercedes had shown they could compete this weekend.
I think regardless of where you sit on the “who is to blame” scale, the last paragraph I think is very pertinent and really demonstrates that whilst Max is an exceptional driver, a brilliant talent, it’s not right yet to put him in the kind of bracket people put him in.
Hamilton didn’t risk those 50:50s earlier in the year because the Mercedes was competitive and he was leading or very close in the championship. But now, the table has turned and he knows to win, he has to take all of these opportunities. There’s a reason why Hamilton didn’t back down yesterday but did previously. Max has to learn this which will come with experience. With his 35 point lead in the championship, even if you ignore that he had a great chance to pass Hamilton if he gave up that place there as the red bull is faster, he would still have been better off to avoid the risk because the risk reward relationship has changed. Coming second is a far better outcome with significantly less risk than the reward for the risk taken in keeping first there. Unfortunately he found that out the hard way. He’s young and he’s brilliant, but he needs to learn this. Ironically not too dissimilar to what a young Hamilton had to learn. Trouble for him is unlike how Hamilton had a McLaren team who didn’t entertain his nonsense, and a team mate in Alonso who was a great role model, Verstappen just doesn’t have that around him at Red Bull, especially with Horner who is a bell end.
The reasons people are raging against Hamilton:
1. The lack of consequence for eliminating your rival from the race and gaining 32 points in the standings by doing so. A complete farce penalty that had no bearing on the offenders race.
2. Free repairs after causing a collision enabling the offender to keep his position when he should have been in the pits and last.
3. The celebration like he had won the WDC when he won because of an incident he was deemed guilty of causing
4. The actual incident.
If the FIA had given Lewis a proper penalty he would have finished like 7th to 10th or so and still gained a few points on Max, but the real outrage would have been avoided since FIA had signaled its NOT OK and you cant benefit greatly from taking out your main rival!
So basicly 4 things that are clearly wrong, the incident, the red flag saving repairs, the lack of sufficient penalty and the celebration.
Had the FIA sanctioned Hamilton properly, the repair issue and celebration issue would have been eleminated. I could have lived with the incident, if the proper penatly had been assessed.
Hamilton basicly erased Max excellent driving this year by making a mistake running into Max, I dont see how anybody can argue that is good for the sport.
Red Bull will have change engine and gearbox etc as well which could further decide the championship.
Final note: Its possible that Lewis is getting more abuse than he should have because of the insanity of the regulations.
1. The lack of consequence for eliminating your rival from the race and gaining 32 points in the standings by doing so. A complete farce penalty that had no bearing on the offenders race.
2. Free repairs after causing a collision enabling the offender to keep his position when he should have been in the pits and last.
3. The celebration like he had won the WDC when he won because of an incident he was deemed guilty of causing
4. The actual incident.
If the FIA had given Lewis a proper penalty he would have finished like 7th to 10th or so and still gained a few points on Max, but the real outrage would have been avoided since FIA had signaled its NOT OK and you cant benefit greatly from taking out your main rival!
So basicly 4 things that are clearly wrong, the incident, the red flag saving repairs, the lack of sufficient penalty and the celebration.
Had the FIA sanctioned Hamilton properly, the repair issue and celebration issue would have been eleminated. I could have lived with the incident, if the proper penatly had been assessed.
Hamilton basicly erased Max excellent driving this year by making a mistake running into Max, I dont see how anybody can argue that is good for the sport.
Red Bull will have change engine and gearbox etc as well which could further decide the championship.
Final note: Its possible that Lewis is getting more abuse than he should have because of the insanity of the regulations.
I think it’s real interesting, though, how Red Bull have reacted. I think as Hamilton has matured, he no doubt has looked more calm on and off the track. I am purely speculating but I can’t help but feel a part of the huge reaction from Red Bull is also that they’d probably taken for granted / forgotten the fire Hamilton still has.
This is a dumb reason to be annoyed at him. He's won at his home grand prix in front of a packed crowd after a year of turmoil for the public and the world due to Covid, plus he's behind in the Championship so this win is monumentous.
Sorry but I would reverse some of this back to you. Point 2, I can agree on, the regulations are strange but they have been there for all races. At different times they benefit different people. But:
Point 3: He won his home race. He’s allowed to celebrate. If it rubs people up the wrong way, it is what it is. If Hamilton had been the one out, you really think Max doesn’t celebrate? Please.
Point 1 and 4 are linked. Has it occurred to you that the FIA gave such a penalty because the incident might not have been as bad as you seem to suggest? Or moreover, that Max also had a portion of blame? And the penalty therefore reflected that whilst it wasn’t a racing incident, it also wasn’t also Hamilton’s fault entirely? Your argument hinges on the first assertion that Hamilton was reckless. The FIA, several pundits, and other impartial racers (Le Clerc and Alonso) also see it that it was a racing incident. In that context, why is the penalty not fair?
I would not be celebrating a win where I had sent my biggest rival to the hospital and escaped with the win because of luck, lenient stewards and a fiasco of regulations. I would have shown some respect and class and toned it down a bit. But each to their own in that aspect. The victory was enormous but came in a clear wrongful way, which should be acknowledged and not celebrated overly.
The rules have sucked balls for too long and it does not matter who it happens to, it must change. Of course this is highlighted by that this tussle was for the championship lead. But it happens lower in the field as well. Ruining someone elses race and being slapped with a 5 or 10 seconds time penalty is a complete farce, always has been, always will be. Bring back the good old days with drive through penalties please. Take someone out and finish easily in front of them make zero sense.
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Which couple of times. The fact is that it is the other way round.
Then why have those accounts not been suspended?
EDIT. I should have asked whether they had been suspended.
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Two excellent drivers. Both summed it up accurately.
And that is more than good enough for me.
The reason they didn't choose a 10 second stop and go is because it didn't deserve that level of punishment. As the poster earlier said it was 60/40 Lewis fault at best.
Sums it up nicely. This should draw a line and answer the question.
It won't though.
1. The punishment was measured against the incident. It took an amazing drive from Hamilton to come back from that. Taking Leclerc at copse was quality and showed it is possible.
2. These are the rules. It is for safety grounds and benefits all drivers. Fir example all drivers restarted on new tyres.
3. Ridiculous. You expect a driver to mope around, looking sad after winning their home race? Arguably also after receiving a harsh penalty when you consider Max weaves around dangerously whenever anyone tries to overtake him.
In Hamiltons interview with sky he found out Max had gone to hospital and said he hopes he gets better. So he only found out later after the celebrations. But the hospital visit was only precautionary.
4. See point about Max weaving dangerously. He has done it for years.
You are right. The media is going to stoke this rivalry up at every opportunity.
A more fundamental question than who was at fault has to be - do we really want to see close racing or not.
Whenever you get two 2 meter wide cars travelling at speed, both wanting the same part of the track and neither wanting to give the other the advantage, then the likelihood of contact will increase.
We can't have it both ways.
Either a monotonous procession.
Or two of the top racers doing what they are best at. Racing.
Yes of course safety needs to be maintained. But we have to trust the judgement of the drivers.
But I certainly prefer the latter.
2 well respected drivers, who are well liked on here, with their opinion of the incident, that should be a line drawn, but it won't, this will rumble on for the rest of the season.
Other place are far worse than here, some saying he should be banned , some say he could've killed Max
But the Max fans won't accept it.
That’s not how sport works. I was confident England would beat Italy but I couldn’t go around writing “England have won Euro 2020”.
Max lost that race in part because he made a poor decision. There’s been 9 or 10 incidents like this so far this season, including a few yesterday, and the first time Max is in that position they crash. I’m confident (and therefore I can state this as fact) that if Lewis was in Max’s position they wouldn’t have contacted. Max’s inexperience cost him today.