F1 2021 Season

Jerch said:
The head of Aston Martin who are using which engines?
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Show me one person outside of Red Bull who thinks the penalty was too soft.
The Hilton said:
:lol:

And you have the audacity to hang around in this thread calling people fanboys.
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A fanboy is anybody who disagrees with their point of view.
11101 said:
It was their Senna and Prost moment. Verstappen knew he would be squeezing Hamilton, Hamilton knew the gap was going to disappear, and neither of them was going to back out the way a lesser driver would. They were testing each other and got too close.

It probably was a penalty simply because Hamilton ran wide and it's not possible to know if that was intentional or not. Not much in it though. In football terms giving/not giving a penalty would not be a clear and obvious error.
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I think Hamilton ran wide because he didn’t want To end up in the wall. If he had taken the apex and Max had turned in there was no way he wasn’t ending up in the wall.
 
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Can we keep puerile, petty insults like 'fanboy' out of this thread please.
 
Buster15 said:
Which couple of times. The fact is that it is the other way round.
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Brazil 2019 and Austria 2020. Hamilton apologised both times. When Max is actually in the hospital, he doesn't even apologise. I say this as someone who grew to respect Hamilton a lot over the past few years, but the way Lewis handled the celebrations yesterday just didn't sit right with me.
 
hobbers said:
It's cute that you've been so triggered by the word fanboy.

Seems the boot fits. Since you're dead set that every opinion you don't like must have come from someone with an agenda. "anti-hamilton fanboy"...... grow up.
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You're unbelievable. You're among the most childish people in this thread, and telling others to grow up. And you're accusing me in bold of exactly what you're guilty of.

I don't mind you being against Hamilton, just be mature enough to own up to it, and when you're disagreeing with his fans, attack the message rather than the messenger. Instead you dismiss them as "fanboys" whilst being no better yourself.

As for me, if I am a "fanboy" of anyone, it would be Norris, I think he's brilliant.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
He is going to cause much more dangerous collisions than yesterday if he is not managed correctly. Not blaming him for yesterday but he did contribute. He has form over the last few years.

Ask Raikonnen (Spa move was dangerous) or Vettel.
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Yeah he's been enabled by drivers not standing up to him - if Lewis stands his ground more we're gonna see a lot more incidents like this unless he reigns it in! RB will continue to treat him like a spoiled golden child, so it's hard to see where any positive role modelling will come from.
 
Nice to see people realising it's just a racing incident now.

I think the error came where Max thinks Lewis will back out, Lewis thinks Max will back out.

Neither did.
 
Max gets plenty of plaudits for his aggressive driving and even though I am not a fan of the actual person he is purely as a driver he's phenomenal, i actually think the reason he has been so successful this year is that with maturity and now experience he has eliminated a lot of his rash decision making which caused so many pointless crashes for the years previous,

However yesterday's race he just lost his cool and knew Hamilton was going to take him and was driving like a mad man to try and prevent it and ultimately paid the price,

Do you think a 7 times world champion is going to pull out of a 50/50 with him and risk letting him win the race ? hell no, why would he, Max is used to usually getting his way and if it was Leclerc, Lando, Russel, any of the younger less experienced guys they would have swerved and let Max get ahead, but Max forgot who he was fighting yesterday, Lewis isn't the greatest ever F1 driver for no reason, he's had many a battle in the past and is extremely experienced, Max needs to learn from yesterday, not throw his toys out the pram because he played a game of chicken and lost.

If he was smart he would have played the game and let Hamilton through, Max had a lot less to lose than Lewis, and now due to his own rashness has allowed Lewis right back into the championship.

Max is only angry at himself deep down, he knows he screwed up.
 
Jaxa said:
Max gets plenty of plaudits for his aggressive driving and even though I am not a fan of the actual person he is purely as a driver he's phenomenal, i actually think the reason he has been so successful this year is that with maturity and now experience he has eliminated a lot of his rash decision making which caused so many pointless crashes for the years previous,

However yesterday's race he just lost his cool and knew Hamilton was going to take him and was driving like a mad man to try and prevent it and ultimately paid the price,

Do you think a 7 times world champion is going to pull out of a 50/50 with him and risk letting him win the race ? hell no, why would he, Max is used to usually getting his way and if it was Leclerc, Lando, Russel, any of the younger less experienced guys they would have swerved and let Max get ahead, but Max forgot who he was fighting yesterday, Lewis isn't the greatest ever F1 driver for no reason, he's had many a battle in the past and is extremely experienced, Max needs to learn from yesterday, not throw his toys out the pram because he played a game of chicken and lost.

If he was smart he would have played the game and let Hamilton through, Max had a lot less to lose than Lewis, and now due to his own rashness has allowed Lewis right back into the championship.

Max is only angry at himself deep down, he knows he screwed up.
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I think if it was Hamilton last year, he would have given way and let Max keep the lead. It's different this year as Hamilton has to fight for every scrap so is going to go for the risks where he could afford not to before. Verstappen has to realise that now and learn that he's going against a different style now.

Some of it is experience though. When people were saying Verstappen was dangerous he was just a young driver used to pushing the limits and forcing drivers out of the way. Hamilton did the same early in his career. It's the blend of experience and talent which makes the driver - Hamilton goes for less overtakes than he did when young but gets more points due to attacking when he feels it's right to.
 
Jaxa said:
Max gets plenty of plaudits for his aggressive driving and even though I am not a fan of the actual person he is purely as a driver he's phenomenal, i actually think the reason he has been so successful this year is that with maturity and now experience he has eliminated a lot of his rash decision making which caused so many pointless crashes for the years previous,

However yesterday's race he just lost his cool and knew Hamilton was going to take him and was driving like a mad man to try and prevent it and ultimately paid the price,

Do you think a 7 times world champion is going to pull out of a 50/50 with him and risk letting him win the race ? hell no, why would he, Max is used to usually getting his way and if it was Leclerc, Lando, Russel, any of the younger less experienced guys they would have swerved and let Max get ahead, but Max forgot who he was fighting yesterday, Lewis isn't the greatest ever F1 driver for no reason, he's had many a battle in the past and is extremely experienced, Max needs to learn from yesterday, not throw his toys out the pram because he played a game of chicken and lost.

If he was smart he would have played the game and let Hamilton through, Max had a lot less to lose than Lewis, and now due to his own rashness has allowed Lewis right back into the championship.

Max is only angry at himself deep down, he knows he screwed up.
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Such a typical entitled Englishman. Views like that are why no one supported England in the Euros… :lol::rolleyes:
 
Dan_F said:
Such a typical entitled Englishman. Views like that are why no one supported England in the Euros… :lol::rolleyes:
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Very strange response to a perfectly rational post.

I agree re: England support at the Euros by the way, but this post is not that.
 
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Fluctuation0161 said:
Very strange response to a perfectly rational post.

I agree re: England support at the Euros by the way, but this post is not that.
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Jaxa said:
I'm not even English ffs :lol::lol::lol: what a mess, are you dutch by any chance ?
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Sarcasm doesn’t work on the internet, I thought the smiley face was enough! I was basically accused of the same thing yesterday.
 
Buster15 said:
Then why have those accounts not been suspended?
EDIT. I should have asked whether they had been suspended.
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If you mean the ones on reddit, they have been banning everyone who posts anything racist and have been trying to stem the racism towards Hamilton for years but it's insanely easy for the racist posters to just create a new account on the site with little the mods can do. The mods have now updated to say they've removed 18,000 comments with the majority being for racism so probably around 10,000 racist comments...
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Strange choice of time frame. Why choose 2 years? If we look at the current state. Hamilton is currently one of the drivers with the least amount of penalty points on 2.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...what-did-they-get.3rFAlHELKARrdjzveVONuC.html
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He’s got 4 penalty points actually. That article was written before Silverstone.

And the reason why I picked a 2 year limit is because otherwise Hamilton fans are shameless enough to bring up things Verstappen did in 2015, when he was 17 years old.
 
slyadams said:
Because you want it to be. Max was ahead BECAUSE Lewis backed out to avoid a crash as Max had gone in too hot.
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For how long have you been watching F1?

The best overtake of Hamilton’s career (by his own accord) was Monza 2007, where he made a brutal lunge on Raikkonen who clearly had to back out to avoid a crash. When Hamilton made that move, everyone praised him for his bravery.

Late braking maneuvers have always been a part of F1.

Hitting someone in the rear and sending them into the barriers is NOT a part of F1.
 
I can't believe Horner claimed Hamilton took Max out on purpose, I know he has to always stick up for his star driver but that made him come across like an idiot.

I think FOM broadcasting the teams radio calls to Masi was kinda embarrassing, didn't think it made either team look good, and Masi doesn't even decide on the penalty so it makes no sense telling him what they think.

I'm surprised so many people were upset with a driver celebrating a win on his home track, especially since it's his first win in front of a large crowd in a long time.

Max may now have to reconsider being aggressive with Hamilton in the future, because this was the first time I can think of Hamilton not being cautious with Max, and wasn't backing out like he has many times in the past.

Horner was really happy with Max and his aggression against Hamilton at Catalunya, and now that Hamilton is just as aggressive towards Max he has a meltdown.

I also wish Max would condemn the racist abuse against Hamilton because his fanbase is very toxic.
Not saying he is in anyway responsible, but his fans are crazy passionate and I'm sure the comments Red Bull were making about Hamilton didn't exactly help.

Overall I would lay the blame slightly at Hamilton but it wasn't as clear cut as many people have said.
Hamilton was super aggressive because you would have to think once they got to the high speed corners Max would have pulled away, so he had to try and make it stick early on.

Just realized this was such a long post, my bad.
 
Infordin said:
He’s got 4 penalty points actually. That article was written before Silverstone.

And the reason why I picked a 2 year limit is because otherwise Hamilton fans are shameless enough to bring up things Verstappen did in 2015, when he was 17 years old.
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Choosing the time frame that best suits Max is pretty shameless to be honest. And transparent. Especially considering Max's overly aggressive driving style over the years.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Choosing the time frame that best suits Max is pretty shameless to be honest. And transparent. Especially considering Max's overly aggressive driving style over the years.
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I’ve given Verstappen a free pass for everything that he did from 2015-2018 because he was young, younger than Hamilton was when he made his debut in fact.

Hamilton’s 2011 season is about equally relevant in the discussion.
 
Infordin said:
I’ve given Verstappen a free pass for everything that he did from 2015-2018 because he was young, younger than Hamilton was when he made his debut in fact.

Hamilton’s 2011 season is about equally relevant in the discussion.
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Yes, that is very apparent. You still are.
 
Infordin said:
Yeah, of course I’m not going to hold Verstappen accountable when another car wipes him out of the race, that is obvious.
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Max turned in way too tight, plenty of room was left on the outside of the track.

He also knew Hamilton was about to overtake him, he purposely showed HAM to the inside which was also a mistake.

If he'd used the full track available they wouldn't have collided. It's easy to find fault in both drivers.
 
Infordin said:
For how long have you been watching F1?
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:nono: dont't do that. Just don't.
Infordin said:
The best overtake of Hamilton’s career (by his own accord) was Monza 2007, where he made a brutal lunge on Raikkonen who clearly had to back out to avoid a crash. When Hamilton made that move, everyone praised him for his bravery.

Late braking maneuvers have always been a part of F1.

Hitting someone in the rear and sending them into the barriers is NOT a part of F1.
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This is the last I'm posting on this. Below are images from Spain where Max went into the first corner too hot and then couldn't give Hamilton any space even though Hamilton was ahead at the start of the corner and alongside throughout. At no point did Max 'own' the corner and the two would have collided if Lewis didn't back out because Max left no room.









In this one from Imola you can see again the two alongside and this time Max forcing Lewis completely out of space and off the road. This one, in my mind is unequivocal and you can also argue the extra danger of it being in the wet. Again, the two crash if Lewis doesn't back out:







My thoughts at the time was Max was being over-aggressive but the stewards were giving first lap lenience to encourage racing so I was OK with it. Yesterday Max again put his car in a position where Lewis would have to yield or crash and he didn't. This could easily have been the 3rd opening lap crash of the season if Lewis hadn't backed out on the previous occasions (and this doesn't even include the example yesterday at Brooklands on the first lap)

The stewards thought it was mostly but not entirely Hamilton's fault and the majority of the pundits are split between racing incident and Lewis being a bit more to blame. You can keep howling at the moon that Hamilton is the devil if you want, but you just come across as bitter.
 
Infordin said:
Yeah, of course I’m not going to hold Verstappen accountable when another car wipes him out of the race, that is obvious.
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Yet you will look back over 2 years, but not 4 years.

You ignore Max weaving all over the road dangerously to defend overtakes e.g. Kimi at Spa and Vettel.

You also ignore the multiple times Hamilton has had to back out of moves with Max because Max is dangerous. E.g. as recently as May 2021, Spain.

"“Turn 1 was mega. I mean Max, that was full Max Verstappen – he was just going for it – and he positioned the car fantastically well,” said Horner after the Spanish GP. “He tucked in, he got a little bit of a tow and a bit of momentum. And yeah he just braked later and ran the car wide. Thankfully Lewis had got out of it because otherwise he would have ended up in the fence,” he added."

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...-says-his-drivers.2lU7c1wC1oSYZOMLMy9ijd.html
 
elmo said:
Max fanboys really make it's hard to feel any sympathy for Max.

Especially Horner, he's fecking deluded.
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feck off with the 'fanboy' shit. If you can't construct an argument without using childish insults then get out of the thread.
 
christy87 said:
Funny thing is most of the so called max fanboys probably aren't even fans of his.
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I don't care, but having sets of Hamilton and Max supporters calling each other fanboys repeatedly is mind numbingly boring.
 
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