F1 2021 Season

[The Cat]

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Not even Senna or Schumacher would do anything close to what Hamilton did today. I am happy that some people like u are able to argue what happened today because it means that Max is okay. But it could end very differently.

You are having a laugh really. I watched live loads of times when Senna, Prost and Schumacher for starters made far more blatent moves than this. Senna and Prost did a few at the start granted but if you've not seen them you won't believe some of the others and the ones Schumacher did.

F1 has become stale for a long time now - it's good there is some real needle again it always used to have it.

We all wish nobody gets seriously injured of course - but it is racing and they accept certain risks.

 

[Rado_N]

Outrageous and pathetic from Hamilton, it’s the kind of thing that really shows what a prick he is, not even Schumacher would have been that blasé and obvious about it, never mind how dangerous it was, he shouldn’t be allowed to drive again, ever quite frankly.

 

[Rado_N]

Anyone got a video so I can see the incident?

 

[Sassy Colin]

Seems like a good time for Mercedes to go all out and sign Max. The Red Bull may be the better car, but no current driver is going to be able to beat either Lewis or Max in the Merc. Lewis will, maybe, race another couple of seasons, then Max has a clear run.

Imagine the fireworks of Lewis and Max in the same team

 

[Hephaestus]

Outrageous and pathetic from Hamilton, it’s the kind of thing that really shows what a prick he is, not even Schumacher would have been that blasé and obvious about it, never mind how dangerous it was, he shouldn’t be allowed to drive again, ever quite frankly.

Anyone got a video so I can see the incident?

 

[Dan]

 

[Leg-End]

Max has always been aggressive, since day 1, you could find a highlight reel an hour long with questionable moves or dive bombs or “move or we crash” but it’s exciting racing and when it works you are a hero. For him to accuse another driver of unsportsmanlike racing is about as rich as it comes, you could point out 2 or 3 moves this season where Hamilton was soft with him and avoided the incident, the one time Max was in that position they crashed.

“Disrespectful” coming from a driver that called others some pretty unsavoury remarks even as recent as earlier this season. But when your dad talks shit, your advisor Helmut talks shit and your boss Horner talks shit you probably end up very unaware of reality.

I hope Leclerc has a car to challenge him for years to come, he’s the one driver that reacted to Max’s driving and said “feck it then, I’ll do it too”. Those two will keep body shops working 24/7 if they race close.

 

[RoadTrip]

Outrageous and pathetic from Hamilton, it’s the kind of thing that really shows what a prick he is, not even Schumacher would have been that blasé and obvious about it, never mind how dangerous it was, he shouldn’t be allowed to drive again, ever quite frankly.

Anyone got a video so I can see the incident?

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Anyone got a video so I can see the incident?

Outrageous and pathetic from Hamilton, it’s the kind of thing that really shows what a prick he is, not even Schumacher would have been that blasé and obvious about it, never mind how dangerous it was, he shouldn’t be allowed to drive again, ever quite frankly.

Love it

 

[ArjenIsM3]

Loving all the ridiculous defending of Lewis on here. All basically saying "yeah but Max has done some dangerous driving in the past" or "yeah but Max has talked a lot of shite in the past", as if that somehow makes what Lewis did during and said after the race okay.

 

[Eendracht maakt macht]

Did I enjoy the the win, too fecking right I did.
The penalty was given and he fought back to win the race.
Unfair ? I bet you would not have said the same if it was the other way round.

I would have said the same. You drive your rival of the track or course it’s unfair. I don’t understand how a 10 second penalty is all of a sudden fair. It isn’t fair. It costs Max 25 points. I don’t even understand how this is even a debate. And I definitely would have said the same if Max would ran Lewis from the track. And I ctredited Lewis too.

 

[rimaldo]

Loving all the ridiculous defending of Lewis on here. All basically saying "yeah but Max has done some dangerous driving in the past" or "yeah but Max has talked a lot of shite in the past", as if that somehow makes what Lewis did during and said after the race okay.

completely agree. it shouldn’t matter that whilst hamilton was winning his 7th championship, verstappen was off sleeping with pornstars whilst his third wife was pregnant

 

[Fully Fledged]

Loving all the ridiculous defending of Lewis on here. All basically saying "yeah but Max has done some dangerous driving in the past" or "yeah but Max has talked a lot of shite in the past", as if that somehow makes what Lewis did during and said after the race okay.

No what Hamilton did during the race was okay in it's own right. Max being dangerous is just a fact.

 

[hobbers]

No what Hamilton did during the race was okay in it's own right.

Just not in the steward's or any impartial spectator's book.

 

[ArjenIsM3]

No what Hamilton did during the race was okay in it's own right. Max being dangerous is just a fact.

Max hasn't put a foot wrong all season and Lewis has just taken out Max but Max is the dangerous one alright. If you think what Lewis did was alright perhaps you should read the FIA report on the incident. And if you cause a massive crash like that the least you could do is apologize. Instead he says "I did nothing wrong" and basically says Max should have more respect while Max is in hospital. What a nice guy Lewis is

 

[Fully Fledged]

Just not in the steward's or any impartial spectator's book.

He got a 10 second penalty not even a stop and go. If the stewards thought that it was seriously dangerous and premeditated he would have got a lot worse. He made a move that in their opinion caused a collision. It happens every race in F1. They asked Otmar Szafnauer the head of Astin Martin who said it was 'The definition of a racing incident,' they asked Karun Chandhok who said the penalty was harsh.

 

[Carl]

Outrageous and pathetic from Hamilton, it’s the kind of thing that really shows what a prick he is, not even Schumacher would have been that blasé and obvious about it, never mind how dangerous it was, he shouldn’t be allowed to drive again, ever quite frankly.

Anyone got a video so I can see the incident?

You nearly had me then

 

[The Cat]

You nearly had me then

Me too

 

[Fully Fledged]

Max hasn't put a foot wrong all season and Lewis has just taken out Max but Max is the dangerous one alright. If you think what Lewis did was alright perhaps you should read the FIA report on the incident. And if you cause a massive crash like that the least you could do is apologize. Instead he says "I did nothing wrong" and basically says Max should have more respect while Max is in hospital. What a nice guy Lewis is

Max double and triple moves all over the track. He is know throughout the paddock for bring dangerous.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Watching this back. Looks like Max went to cover the inside line, Lewis then committed to the overtake, Max then shifted back to the outside line last minute, forcing Lewis to go up the inside.

the perfect summary from an unbiased ex racer.

Both could have done it better, it was a racing incident with an unlucky ending after 2 drivers played chicken, max came off worse. simple.

 

[dinostar77]

I know many bring this up but can you imagine if social media was about when Schumacher/Senna drove. If you can't handle what happened today don't rewatch the 80s and 90s F1.

This did occur to me. I think lewis is quite a fair driver when compared to senna or schmacher. Both of those would have put max in the wall or off the track awhile ago as a warning to respect a multiple world champion. However F1 isnt liel that anymore.

 

[Jerch]

He got a 10 second penalty not even a stop and go. If the stewards thought that it was seriously dangerous and premeditated he would have got a lot worse. He made a move that in their opinion caused a collision. It happens every race in F1. They asked Otmar Szafnauer the head of Astin Martin who said it was 'The definition of a racing incident,' they asked Karun Chandhok who said the penalty was harsh.

The head of Aston Martin who are using which engines?

 

[MTF]

the perfect summary from an unbiased ex racer.

Both could have done it better, it was a racing incident with an unlucky ending after 2 drivers played chicken, max came off worse. simple.

If one guy ends up touching his front wheel to the rear wheel of another driver it's not right to characterize it as some sort of even game of chicken. One of them had a better line than the other into the corner. I think people are oversimplifying a lot and not accounting for the actual characteristics of the incident.

 

[BIGbadBOO4]

I asked a question hours ago and not one Verstappan fan will answer. If places were reversed would max have backed out?

 

[Kanu]

I asked a question hours ago and not one Verstappan fan will answer. If places were reversed would max have backed out?

Max has done that a couple times this season already, so yes. Lewis has a history with this kind of thing though. Ask Albon.

 

[Adam-Utd]

If one guy ends up touching his front wheel to the rear wheel of another driver it's not right to characterize it as some sort of even game of chicken. One of them had a better line than the other into the corner. I think people are oversimplifying a lot and not accounting for the actual characteristics of the incident.

that’s a really poor example to use. obviously hamilton has to back off a little to make sure he gets around the corner, max doesn’t as he has the wider line so can carry more speed. in the end that split difference is what makes the front/rear contact, but you can’t use that to lay blame.

if only max gave him more room he would have passed him on the outside no problem.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Watching this back. Looks like Max went to cover the inside line, Lewis then committed to the overtake, Max then shifted back to the outside line last minute, forcing Lewis to go up the inside.

Best analysis of the incident out there. Karun knows his stuff.

 

[BIGbadBOO4]

Max has done that a couple times this season already, so yes. Lewis has a history with this kind of thing though. Ask Albon.

Another crashtappen fan smoking the funny stuff
Exactly when has he done it ever? Nevermind this season where his aggression has been 110%
I have never seen Max pull out.
Imola and Spanish or Portugal race he basically went back out Hamilton or we crash. Hamilton backed out.

Hamilton, Kimi, Vettel, Rosberg and Button all ex champions have stated YOU HAVE TO DRIVE DIFFERENTLY WITH MAX.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Max does it all the time but that doesn't make it right to have it done to him this time

 

[BIGbadBOO4]

Max does it all the time but that doesn't make it right to have it done to him this time

Sorry are you being ironic or are you actually 4 years old I am confused.

 

[Sassy Colin]

To the "Is the F1 2021 Season thread, safe to go into yet" thread!

 

[MTF]

I asked a question hours ago and not one Verstappan fan will answer. If places were reversed would max have backed out?

I'm not a Verstappen fan, actually more of a Hamilton fan but I guess I've been in the Verstappen camp on this one so here goes:

I don't think it's even the right question. Shittiest reply, right? But it's that Hamilton was essentially already backing out... not exactly to give Verstappen all the room he wanted to take the corner any way he wanted, but because Hamilton can't take the corner flat from where he was. He downshifted at least once, maybe twice, on a corner that you can take flat on the racing line. On the Leclerc move Hamilton downshifts twice and takes the corner fairly slow to hang on given the worn tyres. He only really takes the position because Leclerc finds even less grip and can't make any sort of decent line through the corner and goes wide on the exit.

So essentially I think any driver would have backed out. If you try to take too much speed from where Hamilton was you're ending up well wide on the exit. I think Hamilton just misjudged it in terms of the grip he'd have. The track is also dirty on the inside/off-the-line as an additional factor to give him less grip than he expected.

Verstappen maybe could've lifted before turn-in, let Hamilton take the early apex and go for a later one instead, but in a corner that you don't lift your mind is mainly telling you to just find a line to carry the most speed.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

To the "Is the F1 2021 Season thread, safe to go into yet" thread!

 

[BIGbadBOO4]

I'm not a Verstappen fan, actually more of a Hamilton fan but I guess I've been in the Verstappen camp on this one so here goes:

I don't think it's even the right question. Shittiest reply, right? But it's that Hamilton was essentially already backing out... not exactly to give Verstappen all the room he wanted to take the corner any way he wanted, but because Hamilton can't take the corner flat from where he was. He downshifted at least once, maybe twice, on a corner that you can take flat on the racing line. On the Leclerc move Hamilton downshifts twice and takes the corner fairly slow to hang on given the worn tyres. He only really takes the position because Leclerc finds even less grip and can't make any sort of decent line through the corner and goes wide on the exit.

So essentially I think any driver would have backed out, if you try to take too much speed from where Hamilton was you're ending up well wide on the exit. I think Hamilton just misjudged it in terms of the grip he'd have. The track is also dirty on the inside/off-the-line as an additional factor to give him less grip than he expected.

Verstappen maybe could've lifted before turn-in, let Hamilton take the early apex and go for a later one instead, but in a corner that you don't lift your mind is mainly telling you to just find a line to carry the most speed.

Show me once when Verstappan has backed out.when fighting? Never seen it, I see him ultra aggressive and weaving alot.

I am confused, any driver should have backed out, but then you say in a corner you don't lift?
Racing incident, when Verstappan pushed Lewis off in 2 earlier races never heard people complain.
P.s. not that Lewis pushed they were both racing, and it was a shame they touched.

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

Looking outside the accident now and I must say that the last 20 laps by Hamilton were some of the most sensational driving I have seen in a while . His ability to push the car to its peak ability and still not make any mistakes is pretty brilliant. I have no idea how Bottas could barely do anything in the same car

 

[MTF]

Show me once when Verstappan has backed out.when fighting? Never seen it, I see him ultra aggressive and weaving alot.

Again, are we gonna talk about the incident or just general adjectives about drivers and analogies of games of chicken?

 

[RoadTrip]

Again, are we gonna talk about the incident or just general adjectives about drivers and analogies of games of chicken?

Funny how that suits your argument though.

You’re over complicating a relatively simple matter when you break it down to its core - which is that two drivers who were competing and did not want to give an inch more than required to the other, crashed because both refused to back out. Hamilton probably justified in receiving the penalty as ultimately it was his fault, but the reality is swap the cars positions and Verstappen doesn’t do a thing differently.

 

[Rado_N]

Another crashtappen fan smoking the funny stuff

Sorry are you being ironic or are you actually 4 years old I am confused.

 

[Jerch]

I asked a question hours ago and not one Verstappan fan will answer. If places were reversed would max have backed out?

He wouldn't miss the apex and go with the speed with which he would make the corner so he wouldn't had to back down.
Also in this accident he was the one stearing away from the accident but it didn't helped because Lewis was stearing into the accident.

 

[MTF]

Funny how that suits your argument though.

You’re over complicating a relatively simple matter when you break it down to its core - which is that two drivers who were competing and did not want to give an inch more than required to the other, crashed because both refused to back out. Hamilton probably justified in receiving the penalty as ultimately it was his fault, but the reality is swap the cars positions and Verstappen doesn’t do a thing differently.

I'm not saying that drivers should perfectly calculate everything when they have fractions of seconds for each loop of decision-feedback-decision and so on. But I do think that if you find yourself trying to turn-in to copse corner and you're closer to the inside than to the outside, you've not put yourself in a position to make an overtake and you're responsible for any contact with cars that are on or closer to the racing line. I think that if it's for 1st place in Formula 1, for 18th, and for any position in the Clio Cup as well.

For sure shit happens when racing, none of these incidents is an indictment of a driver's character. I just don't think this one is just "a racing incident" and equal fault.