F1 2021 Season

dinostar77 said:
Yep, its crazy. If Hamilton was white and british he wouldnt get the same hate as he does cause hes black.
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Let's call it on this matter eh? He's adored by millions, and has earned his status as one of our greatest sporting heroes. I have not seen one mention of his colour from his anti fans on social media (the rational ones at least), but rather because of his lifestyle ie. Living in Monaco and deciding not to pay taxes to our government like the rest of us do.

Don't bring colour into the argument please, because his haters arent about the colour of his skin
 
Jerch said:
Well since we are in football forum what is worse? Tripping a guy in 90th minute so he doesn't go 1vs1 with goalkeeper or going for a leg braker in the middle of the match to win the ball?
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It’s just a bad example though. Hamilton didn’t go for a leg breaker.
 
Watching this back. Looks like Max went to cover the inside line, Lewis then committed to the overtake, Max then shifted back to the outside line last minute, forcing Lewis to go up the inside.

 
Jerch said:
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Not even Senna or Schumacher would do anything close to what Hamilton did today. I am happy that some people like u are able to argue what happened today because it means that Max is okay. But it could end very differently.
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Jesus, if you believe that then you need a visit to the funny farm. Schumacher and Senna crashed full blast into drivers to win. Schumacher did it into Hill.to win a championship.
 
Trying to read through this thread at the start of the race, but blimey the people saying it was deliberate:

1) have you driven a car before

2) have driven at 300kmh?

If you drive on a motorway, highway, autobahn or whatever, have you shat yourself when being overtaken by another car? Its a horrible experience, thinking your car will do all sorts.

So do you thini someone at 250kmh would purposefully knock someone, with the knowing his car, and himself, could end up in a horrific situation?
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Was obvious that Horner would mismanage this situation after watching his interview. Max will now be riled up to drive even more dangerously than he has done in the past.
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Yep, rather than learning his ego will increase and he will believe he is in the right.
F1 really need to have a word with Red Bull. Horner should be leading his team, I really hope they implode after this.
 
Red Shorts said:
Trying to read through this thread at the start of the race, but blimey the people saying it was deliberate:

1) have you driven a car before

2) have driven at 300kmh?

If you drive on a motorway, highway, autobahn or whatever, have you shat yourself when being overtaken by another car? Its a horrible experience, thinking your car will do all sorts.

So do you thini someone at 250kmh would purposefully knock someone, with the knowing his car, and himself, could end up in a horrific situation?
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When it comes to sports, partisan fans lose all sense of reality / logical thought.

It was a racing incident. But I accept Hamilton was more at fault then Verstappen so can understand the penalty. But those saying it was on purpose simply dont Watch racing. It is very shrouding that Hamilton didn’t suffer any damage to his car there. 9/10 times they hit like that, there, Hamilton also has at least front wing, puncture, or worse damage.
 
Not sure about one thing, are teams really allowed to repair cars under red flags? If so its strange to benefit from it.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Watching this back. Looks like Max went to cover the inside line, Lewis then committed to the overtake, Max then shifted back to the outside line last minute, forcing Lewis to go up the inside.

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Yep, Maxs patented double moves which never seem to get pulled up. Hamilton actually had him from the start but max carried extra speed so Hamilton could not get past and actually got in the lead by going off the track. All this seems to be ignored.
 
Red Shorts said:
Trying to read through this thread at the start of the race, but blimey the people saying it was deliberate:

1) have you driven a car before

2) have driven at 300kmh?

If you drive on a motorway, highway, autobahn or whatever, have you shat yourself when being overtaken by another car? Its a horrible experience, thinking your car will do all sorts.

So do you thini someone at 250kmh would purposefully knock someone, with the knowing his car, and himself, could end up in a horrific situation?
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Not only that but there was acres of space on the outside... And it's a lot easier to create room on the outside line than it is on the inside line.
 
I couldn’t see much past a racing incident there and was surprised they even got to a time penalty decision.

Thought Leclerc drove very well today considering the shit box of a car he’s had for the past two seasons.
 
I’m really struggling to see what Hamilton did wrong here, can anyone help? I’ve watched enough F1 over the years so I’m not a complete layman, but people talking about him being banned for the rest of the season for trying to kill Verstappen or whatever. It’s not the easiest to follow.
 
Jerch said:
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Not even Senna or Schumacher would do anything close to what Hamilton did today. I am happy that some people like u are able to argue what happened today because it means that Max is okay. But it could end very differently.
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Complete and utter rubbish.
Senna and Prost...
Schumacher and Hill...
Easily the stupidest post I have read. Ever.
 
Top headline on BBC now. Max doesn’t need to get into antics off the track, the only real way he can lose this title is letting stuff like this get into his head.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Lewis has had to back out of multiple corners because Maxs approach is you back out or we crash. Many drivers have had this experience with him.
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Nonsense. Verstappen has never done anything illegal all season. He’s been driving aggressively but has never crossed the line. Max has been schooling Lewis through clean racing and positioning his car better. Hamilton couldn’t take it anymore and did a Suzuka 1990.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Watching this back. Looks like Max went to cover the inside line, Lewis then committed to the overtake, Max then shifted back to the outside line last minute, forcing Lewis to go up the inside.

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Well this video clearly shows:
1. Lewis was never infront
2. Lewis went wide and with to much speed into this corner
3. Max tried to avoid it but wasn't able to because Lewis put the car where he shouldn't

The commentator in the end says that both expected to back out of it but noone did. But why should Max backed out of it if he had better line and was infront.

So clearly Lewis knew Max will not backed out because he had no reason to do that but still put the car there. If this would be move by a rookie I would say it's racing incident but I rate Lewis to much to say that he wasn't aware of the most likely outcome or that he missgudged corner or anything like that.
 
Sassy Colin said:
You're allowed to change tyres, what's the difference?
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I agree.

Another question (which I don't know the answer to).

Let's say today Hamilton ran Verstappen off the track and was 100% to blame. If there is then a red flag because of that incident, am I right in thinking Verstappen doesn't get the chance to get into the spare car and restart the race, even from last place?

If so, should that be changed?
 
El Zoido said:
I’m really struggling to see what Hamilton did wrong here, can anyone help? I’ve watched enough F1 over the years so I’m not a complete layman, but people talking about him being banned for the rest of the season for trying to kill Verstappen or whatever. It’s not the easiest to follow.
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Not the easiest to follow because people who say that are simply wrong and over reacting.
 
Jerch said:
Well since we are in football forum what is worse? Tripping a guy in 90th minute so he doesn't go 1vs1 with goalkeeper or going for a leg braker in the middle of the match to win the ball?
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rpitroda said:
It’s just a bad example though. Hamilton didn’t go for a leg breaker.
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The analogy doesn't work. Football is a team game, whereas there are only two drivers. Also, if we were to make it more accurate it would be like comparing a potentially leg braking challenge made in a game in November to a deliberate foul in the final game of the season to deny a goal which would win the side the league.

In terms of trophies, the latter is causatively worse.
 
Frosty said:
I agree.

Another question (which I don't know the answer to).

Let's say today Hamilton ran Verstappen off the track and was 100% to blame. If there is then a red flag because of that incident, am I right in thinking Verstappen doesn't get the chance to get into the spare car and restart the race, even from last place?

If so, should that be changed?
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Yes but it wont be.
 
Abizzz said:
Not only that but there was acres of space on the outside... And it's a lot easier to create room on the outside line than it is on the inside line.
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The geometry of a fast corner like Copse is actually more restrictive than a slow one. There's fewer viable lines and not being on the ideal line costs more as a % of time than in a slower corner. So while there was asphalt to the outside of Max it's not really going to be used. He's trying to keep up speed above all, and then balancing the tightest line his grip will allow him to so that he can be on track at the end of the corner, with leaving some room for the fact that Hamilton was somewhere on the inside. He wasn't even going to actually hit the apex of the turn even if they didn't collide. What he maybe should've done was to given up staying on track by the exit and gone really wide, and risk that the stewards wouldn't hit him with a track limits penalty.... but I dunno if the kerbs when you go off the track on that exit are aggressive or mild.
 
El Zoido said:
I’m really struggling to see what Hamilton did wrong here, can anyone help? I’ve watched enough F1 over the years so I’m not a complete layman, but people talking about him being banned for the rest of the season for trying to kill Verstappen or whatever. It’s not the easiest to follow.
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El Zoido said:
I’m really struggling to see what Hamilton did wrong here, can anyone help? I’ve watched enough F1 over the years so I’m not a complete layman, but people talking about him being banned for the rest of the season for trying to kill Verstappen or whatever. It’s not the easiest to follow.
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I think the main fault you can place at Hamilton is that it was probably a risky overtake. And whilst Verstappen could have backed out, he didn’t, and because ultimately he had the line and the lead, even if fractional, it means Hamilton caused the crash. That’s not to say Verstappen couldn’t have avoided it. But if being strict it was more Hamilton’s responsibility there to avoid it. That, and whilst not on purpose, Hamilton had a bit of understeer.

Now where it gets tricky is that by the rules, Hamilton was sufficiently close to Verstappen that he also didn’t have to back out.

That’s why I think it’s a racing incident. Two drivers, competing to win, trying not to give up an inch, and perhaps both being unnecessarily aggressive. It’s unfortunate Max’s race was ended. But, it’s compatible racing. I can understand why Hamilton got the penalty, he was to blame in some respects. But I do disagree. I think it was just racing.

And as for people saying Hamilton did it on purpose, anyone who watches F1 should know that that was obviously just not the case.
 
Jerch said:
There is a reason I mentioned those 2, because after all controversy they had they never put fellow driver into 51g accident.
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There you go. When you are in a hole, time to stop digging. You have made a fool of yourself already. Now you are making it even worse.
 
Eendracht maakt macht said:
Do you really enjoy such a win? I don’t even care who wins the championship. If Lewis is the best, fair play to him. But this is unfair you can’t argue with that can you?
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Did I enjoy the the win, too fecking right I did.
The penalty was given and he fought back to win the race.
Unfair ? I bet you would not have said the same if it was the other way round.
 
Jerch said:
Well this video clearly shows:
1. Lewis was never infront
2. Lewis went wide and with to much speed into this corner
3. Max tried to avoid it but wasn't able to because Lewis put the car where he shouldn't

The commentator in the end says that both expected to back out of it but noone did. But why should Max backed out of it if he had better line and was infront.

So clearly Lewis knew Max will not backed out because he had no reason to do that but still put the car there. If this would be move by a rookie I would say it's racing incident but I rate Lewis to much to say that he wasn't aware of the most likely outcome or that he missgudged corner or anything like that.
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Because the rule is not about who is in front or not.
 
Jerch said:
Well this video clearly shows:
1. Lewis was never infront
2. Lewis went wide and with to much speed into this corner
3. Max tried to avoid it but wasn't able to because Lewis put the car where he shouldn't

The commentator in the end says that both expected to back out of it but noone did. But why should Max backed out of it if he had better line and was infront.

So clearly Lewis knew Max will not backed out because he had no reason to do that but still put the car there. If this would be move by a rookie I would say it's racing incident but I rate Lewis to much to say that he wasn't aware of the most likely outcome or that he missgudged corner or anything like that.
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Sorry, you did actually watch that clip, didn't you?
 
Adam-Utd said:
Verstappens instagram post is hilarious. Red bull are really filling him with stupid ideas.
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He really needs a team that reels in his tantrums, to maybe force him to grow up a bit. Max is very like Lewis when he was younger, but Lewis' more childish tendencies weren't accepted at McLaren, whereas Max's seem to be enabled at Red Bull, especially with Horner as principal being the biggest baby of all.
 
F-Red said:
I couldn’t see much past a racing incident there and was surprised they even got to a time penalty decision.

Thought Leclerc drove very well today considering the shit box of a car he’s had for the past two seasons.
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Exactly.
 
Jerch said:
Well this video clearly shows:
1. Lewis was never infront
2. Lewis went wide and with to much speed into this corner
3. Max tried to avoid it but wasn't able to because Lewis put the car where he shouldn't

The commentator in the end says that both expected to back out of it but noone did. But why should Max backed out of it if he had better line and was infront.

So clearly Lewis knew Max will not backed out because he had no reason to do that but still put the car there. If this would be move by a rookie I would say it's racing incident but I rate Lewis to much to say that he wasn't aware of the most likely outcome or that he missgudged corner or anything like that.
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With Max being 35 points ahead he should have been the one making sure there was no contact because he had the most to lose. Every other top driver being 35 points ahead and in the faster car would have played the percentages and backed out and looked to take him later on.
 
Abizzz said:
Not only that but there was acres of space on the outside... And it's a lot easier to create room on the outside line than it is on the inside line.
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100% mate.

Of course hamilton could have braked and given the space, but at the same time Verstappen had majority of the track. Ridiculous penalty and kills racing, but most important thing is Max is ok because that was some hit
 
The Hilton said:
He really needs a team that reels in his tantrums, to maybe force him to grow up a bit. Max is very like Lewis when he was younger, but Lewis' more childish tendencies weren't accepted at McLaren, whereas Max's seem to be enabled at Red Bull, especially with Horner as principal being the biggest baby of all.
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I think that is a very good point. To me, the more successful Lewis has been the more he seems at ease with himself. I think a lot of those childish tendencies as you put them were down to him knowing how good he was but he wasn't having the sustained success which he wanted.

Max was the number 1 at RB from a teenager - there must be a level of entitlement there.
 
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