F1 2021 Season

Canagel said:
He wouldn't have done so because his ego is too big to accept getting passed. Any normal driver that has a faster car will not risk getting burned on lap 1 with such aggressive and reckless driving
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This......he needs to learn to be patient and more importantly when to be patient.
 
PlayerOne said:
Not all luck no, car is well built and he's an amazing driver. But he does have luck on his side, comes out clean out of that incident and no retirement is years requires luck
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And teammate that is not allowed to race. F1 really needs to fix that or just have one driver in each team. No team should be allowed to have team orders.
 
Cassidy said:
Its harder to make the apex on the inside to be honest. The outside line is the best line into the corner especially with the racing line.
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not when defending it isn’t. you aren’t thinking about the apex in a situation like that, you have to make it as difficult for your opponent as you can, forcing lewis wide would have meant he either had to back off or risk running off the track to make the overtake.

allowing him to take the dominant inside position meant he then had to end up running wider, instead he chose to stay tight and got caught.
 
KirkDuyt said:
This thread is fascinating. I never watch F1, but following the season through this thread is quite exciting.
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I think it's mainly down to the fact F1 has not been competitive in a long time and this season is close. Also, Hamilton is a divisive figure for some.
 
Adam-Utd said:
not when defending it isn’t. you aren’t thinking about the apex in a situation like that, you have to make it as difficult for your opponent as you can, forcing lewis wide would have meant he either had to back off or risk running off the track to make the overtake.

allowing him to take the dominant inside position meant he then had to end up running wider, instead he chose to stay tight and got caught.
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Its a corner with no breaking is the point I think you’re missing
 
Dr. Funkenstein said:
Verstappen is destroying his teammate again while Hamilton is struggling to get more than 1 tenth on replacement driver Bottas. The cars have been closely matched from the beginning of the seasan and the RBR had progressed a bit more, but unless you believe Bottas is a great driver, there's no reason to believe the RBR is the better car. It's obvious that Verstappen did a much better job outside his speed, not making stupid mistakes like Hamilton, not having the incredible luck of Hamilton, but being very unlucky twice instead.
I've never been much of a Verstappen fan because I can't stand the stupidity of hypes and fanboyism and proper sport journalism being sacrificed. That's in the Netherlands too but not as stupid, and Hamilton is hyped there too. All the times I've heard that Hamilton is brilliant for only just beating Bottas and so many times I've heard that Hamilton made a very rare mistake, I started to believe they must be extremely rare. But I have to admit that Verstappen has matured as a driver and the way he keeps embarassing his teammates lately is very impressive. Hamilton has only become more childish and less impressive over his teammate, while starting to make a lot of mistakes when he's finally under pressure.

To become the greatest Verstappen has an awful lot of work to do. Hamilton is not even near greatness because you have to take a team and a car up a level. We racing fans all know his stats are down to the best team with the best car in F1 history and weak teammates.
Allthough many Dutch overidolize Verstappen, but they will know a lucky win from a brilliant drive and treat it as such, and Verstappen won't blow his own trumpet over lucky wins either. That sense of entitlement, the idea that being English makes you deserve luck and leniant stewards is typically English.

He's been getting on people's nerves with his self glorification after easy and/or lucky wins, his hypocrisy and BLM moaning doesn't go down that well either, but as a driver he had massive respect.
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Jaysus what a post this one. And the bolded part? Wtf? You are the hypocrite one mate.
 
hobbers said:
And, other than on lap 1, no racer did. Hamilton was ahead of Leclerc at the end of the straight. And he was way ahead of Norris. Didn't come from behind to pass either during the corner.
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Don't think you have that right fella...

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Shane88 said:
I follow F1 through Drive to Survive, this episode will be tasty.

I don't have a dog in this fight, I think they're both twats.
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Some of my mates are huge Verstappen fans. I love winding them up.

Verstappen comes across as a bit of an arrogant little dude, though I guess that might come with the territory.I have no clue about Lewis Hamilton beyond the fact that he's an extremely successful F1 driver. The insane tribalism on show here is just fun to read. It rivals the Messi Ronaldo conundrum.
 
BIGbadBOO4 said:
If positions were reversed would Max have backed out or do exactly what Hamilton would have done? Even the most ardent Verstappan fan boys know Max would have done exactly the same. Max is a do or die driver, other drivers Hamilton and Vettel had mentioned on multiple occasions in the past you have to race differently against him. Max was all over the place on that first lap.and he pushes everything past the limit for me. He weaves all over when Hamilton is behind trying to break the toe. Last few weeks others drivers started doing it and were warned. Hamilton took norris and leclerc on the same corner, so it shows you can do it. Obviously, if 2 drivers will not yield then this is going to happen.
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If positions were reversed and Hamilton was in the faster car and comfortably ahead in the championship there’s no chance he does what verstappen did - he’d yield. Max will learn from that as he has from his earlier days when he was ridiculously aggressive. I say that as someone who has no skin in the game here - I think they’re both fantastic drivers and find some of the insults in here ridiculously childish.
 
Dr. Funkenstein said:
He's been getting on people's nerves with his self glorification after easy and/or lucky wins, his hypocrisy and BLM moaning doesn't go down that well either, but as a driver he had massive respect.
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Right ok… if his BLM stance is getting on peoples nerves. Those people obviously have some issues
 
BIGbadBOO4 said:
I would still be putting mmy mortgage on Verstappan winning. The Red Bull is clearly the superior car, have People forgotten the previous 2 races? They are at least 0.5 seconds faster.
Red Bull and Verstappan Will win this year.
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Absolutely. The Red Bull is too fast for Mercedes to catch this season. The rule change this season favoured Red Bull by design. Funny how the Max/Red Bull fans don't talk about "luck" regarding the rule changes.
 
BIGbadBOO4 said:
Great Post.
But objective evidence won't be accepted by the red bull lot. Why accept reality when you can complain about Hamilton and a racing incident.
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If you put the 2 incidents side by side the obvious difference is the position of Hamilton. Anyway hopefully Hamilton can pile the pressure on from here
 
BIGbadBOO4 said:
Horner comes across as a parent of a child who can be a bit of a dick who defends them non-stop.
You know the parent who won't take any criticism of his child at all, and defends till the bitter end.
For someone who is team manager to say what he has about Hamilton is disgraceful.
Never say anything when your angry. Never air your anger in public. He should have come out and say it was not a great day, he is glad that Max is good. And added it was hard racing and no one wants to see a crash and it would have been a better race if Max had still been in the race. This is my problem with Red Bull, he lacks class. For him and Helmet to come out like is poor. Really poor.
Horner won't help Max with this attitude. Horner reminds me of most of ex girlfriends, no accountability. Sit down with Max and tell he is in the lead In the fastest car, no need to shove his balls out at every fecking corner.
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Worse was the reported statement from Marko. Hamilton should be banned for 1 race.
All fans of F1 have been waiting for proper racing, especially from Hamilton and Max.
I have accepted the penalty decision, not that I agree with it.
From the start, Max was moving all over the place. Hamilton saw an opportunity and took it.
But F2 should be about racing. And today we had it. Shame about the outcome and hope Max is ok.
 
BIGbadBOO4 said:
Agree, but Red Bull kicking off like Two narcissistic parents won't help Max learn from his small mistakes. Even throughout Merc dominance even I want hard fair driving. My opinion with Max it seems just hard racing.
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agreed. if it happened the other way around horner would be calling him a pussy and saying we want good hard racing. he’s fooling nobody
 
MTF said:
He actually moved to the middle and gave Hamilton the outside line. It was Hamilton that then opted to go further inside, but that them leaves him really tight to take the corner. If it's a corner with braking then it's advantage Hamilton from there, except its not and you need to start wide to take it properly.

From Hamilton's perspective to make that move stick like that you need to get really ahead before the turn-in point so that you can actually start to move towards the middle of the track and not try and take it from such a shallow angle. That's my overall issue with it and why I put the blame mainly on Hamilton, because what he went for just isn't a doable move. You can't compare to the moves on Leclerc and Norris because in those instances the cars in front stayed outside and Hamilton was able to be inside but towards the middle of the track, giving him a more viable angle to take the corner from.
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You did see him taking Leclerc from an almost identical position. Apparently you can take the corner from there.
 
Buster15 said:
Worse was the reported statement from Marko. Hamilton should be banned for 1 race.
All fans of F1 have been waiting for proper racing, especially from Hamilton and Max.
I have accepted the penalty decision, not that I agree with it.
From the start, Max was moving all over the place. Hamilton saw an opportunity and took it.
But F2 should be about racing. And today we had it. Shame about the outcome and hope Max is ok.
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Yes it should be about racing but it really isn’t. Not when all teams can give team orders then its nit RACING. We will never see teammates race probably which is shame and is destroying the sport.
 
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Dan_F said:
Max is one of the most aggressive drivers and has been at fault for numerous incidents in his career.
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I agree, I believe he has been overly aggressive many times but I also believe he has developped in that respect.

He chose to be aggressive defending with a 35 point lead in the championship and came off second best.
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He defended well but if you're hit on the rear wheel with a front wheel there isn't much you can do. Yes, he could have let Hamilton go, but that's not how sports works, he has no special rights to get the lead. He has special rights to break the rules, especially in Silverstone, but that's a different matter. It reminds me of Martin Brundle many years ago "You just don't go around the outside of Lewis Hamilton" when he pushed the other driver off. Appearently English people don't notice how ridiculously biased the British podium interviewers, the British commentary and analysis, Sky and BBC before and the British press are.

Reverse the roles and there’s zero chance Max reacts any different to Hamilton,
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No, that self glorification, helped by Mercedes marketing at the radio and Toto in the press, is typically Hamilton.

and there’s zero chance those dressed in orange aren’t celebrating massively.
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So you feel entitled to simply project your English particularities on the Dutch? How surprising. As I also wrote in some England fans topic, every country of course has their national favourites and chauvinism, but all nations understand from eachother they're in it the same way, except the English (and the Brazilians) who believe the facts have to be adjusted to fit that, and that the other countries should be in awe and admit the English deserve it more for being English.
 
Buster15 said:
Worse was the reported statement from Marko. Hamilton should be banned for 1 race.
All fans of F1 have been waiting for proper racing, especially from Hamilton and Max.
I have accepted the penalty decision, not that I agree with it.
From the start, Max was moving all over the place. Hamilton saw an opportunity and took it.
But F2 should be about racing. And today we had it. Shame about the outcome and hope Max is ok.
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Both of them need pulling up. They should be speaking to Max and telling him he has the fastest car, stop being so aggressive.
Absolutely, no way would have yielded if positions reversed. And that's an issue with Max, because Hamilton would have as he did earlier in this season.
Even Button just said Max is aggressive and he had to change his style when racing him. All drivers say the same thing.
 
Cassidy said:
Right ok… if his BLM stance is getting on peoples nerves. Those people obviously have some issues
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I’m no Hamilton fan generally just don’t like his attitude and his Ferrari beating cars, but that’s the one thing I like about him standing( kneeling) up for a cause he believes in and a cause that the world needs to fix.
 
Fully Fledged said:
I thought that was a great race win. He had to really floor it to catch Leclerc.
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Definitely mate. I posted that. He was fecking brilliant. Lap after lap, The guy is the best racer I’ve ever seen. That’s not the point. I think it’s unfair. But he showed how insanely good he is and that’s something you have to admire.
 
Hamilton put the car in the place where Verstappen had to run off or he will clip him. It takes skill but also it takes a man who doesn't care about other drivers/people.
 
Eendracht maakt macht said:
Definitely mate. I posted that. He was fecking brilliant. Lap after lap, The guy is the best racer I’ve ever seen. That’s not the point. I think it’s unfair. But he showed how insanely good he is and that’s something you have to admire.
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I'm saying I really enjoyed it and so should Hamilton.
 
Eendracht maakt macht said:
Do you really enjoy such a win? I don’t even care who wins the championship. If Lewis is the best, fair play to him. But this is unfair you can’t argue with that can you?
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Unfair? No. Unlucky/unfortunate? Absolutely. Did I enjoy the win? Most definitely.

I was sad it happened, because I love the way Lewis and Max both drive and would have loved to see them race eachother.

I'm a huge fan of both drivers, and I'm happy when either win. Which makes me a little different to some in this thread I suppose, who have to hate on one because they love the other.
 
Eendracht maakt macht said:
Definitely mate. I posted that. He was fecking brilliant. Lap after lap, The guy is the best racer I’ve ever seen. That’s not the point. I think it’s unfair. But he showed how insanely good he is and that’s something you have to admire.
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His pass on Bottas was equally impressive.
 
With hindsight, Verstappen will regret not yielding. His car is much faster and he would’ve probably got past Hamilton eventually
 
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