F1 2021 Season

Mercedes with Hamilton have totally dominated for so many years. And if you don't support either then you will be pissed off. I totally get it. However, some people are so fed up that they say all sorts of Nonsense. Verstappan is the most aggressive driver on the grid bar none. Hamilton has backed out a couple of times when Max pushed the limits, and the max fan boys have loved it. Everyone said sooner or later Hamilton will not yield. Max puts drivers in many positions like this yield or we will crash.
It was a racing incident for me, because both drivers were to blame. I would have had more sympathy is Max had not been weaving all over the place on that 1st lap, where as other ex drivers said he was all over the place, on home straight he makes a small move left and then moves to the right. Its a double.move and one he does all the time.
He will win the championship that Red Bull is the better car.
 
In fairness to Horner, and this is the only time I will ever say that, it's probably pretty easy to get carried away after an incident and convince yourself that the other driver is trying to hit you, I remember Hamilton and Wolff suggesting Kimi crashed into Hamilton on purpose at the same circuit in 2018 (Vettel had done the same to Bottas at the previous race). Think they both apologised the next day.
Fluctuation0161 said:
You've just jinxed it mate.
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Dunno, Webber said that during Hamilton's charge at Leclerc and he still won. Maybe he's just immune to that kind of jinx.
 
dinostar77 said:
There wont be a response this is it for upgrades for almost all teams. Hungary is the last race before summer break. Then ever team switches focus to 2022 cars 100%. You can't afford not to otherwise it could takes years to catchup.

Looking at the races left, it will be max's first WDC and he deserves one (as does leclerc eventually).

They will tangle again no doubt.

I am a big lewis fan, but no issues with max. Horner on the other hand....
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Thanks for the responses, and I completely take on board what you are saying.

I have always been a Williams fan, so I can honestly say I have no truck in this fight.

I'm probably basing this much more on my own judgment and gut feeling. I take your point about upgrades and focusing on the 2022 car. I just get a sense that the fact Mercedes have been so dominant for the last seven seasons means that they have been there and done that. I also think that Red Bull are worried. They have the better car at the moment, but not by much, and Verstappen has been driving out of his skin. I hink Horner's response feels like genuine concern about a loss of momentum.

I think Hamilton has been making mistakes he would not ordinarliy make, and he could still improve his driving. That, coupled with the winning mentality, and the pressure on Verstappen to win his first title, and on Red Bull to win their first constructors since 2013 (I think?) will tell.

I still see Lewis winning this, even if the car is not as good, and this will probably be his best championship.
 
BIGbadBOO4 said:
Mercedes with Hamilton have totally dominated for so many years. And if you don't support either then you will be pissed off. I totally get it. However, some people are so fed up that they say all sorts of Nonsense. Verstappan is the most aggressive driver on the grid bar none. Hamilton has backed out a couple of times when Max pushed the limits, and the max fan boys have loved it. Everyone said sooner or later Hamilton will not yield. Max puts drivers in many positions like this yield or we will crash.
It was a racing incident for me, because both drivers were to blame. I would have had more sympathy is Max had not been weaving all over the place on that 1st lap, where as other ex drivers said he was all over the place, on home straight he makes a small move left and then moves to the right. Its a double.move and one he does all the time.
He will win the championship that Red Bull is the better car.
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Brilliantly put. Very good post.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Think you need to log out for a while, entitled Englishman FFS !
Fastest car, are you watching the same races, the Red Bull us faster and fool can see that.
I quite like Max he is extremely talented driver, its his fans that need to to tone it done.
It's not the first time, you have gone on the attack like this, your worst than Santi and he was banned.
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Nothing against Max, but I want Hamilton to win.

Max will win plenty of World Championships, when Lewis retires, and good luck to him.

In the meantime, Go Lewis!
 
I know many bring this up but can you imagine if social media was about when Schumacher/Senna drove. If you can't handle what happened today don't rewatch the 80s and 90s F1.
 
BIGbadBOO4 said:
Mercedes with Hamilton have totally dominated for so many years. And if you don't support either then you will be pissed off. I totally get it. However, some people are so fed up that they say all sorts of Nonsense. Verstappan is the most aggressive driver on the grid bar none. Hamilton has backed out a couple of times when Max pushed the limits, and the max fan boys have loved it. Everyone said sooner or later Hamilton will not yield. Max puts drivers in many positions like this yield or we will crash.
It was a racing incident for me, because both drivers were to blame. I would have had more sympathy is Max had not been weaving all over the place on that 1st lap, where as other ex drivers said he was all over the place, on home straight he makes a small move left and then moves to the right. Its a double.move and one he does all the time.
He will win the championship that Red Bull is the better car.
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He also gives Hamilton extra space during the corner. Either way whats done it done. These things happen. Max is definately very aggressive but I think his aggresiveness is obviously clouding your judgement on this particularly incident. None of the ex drivers put the blame on Max here because he clearly left enough space and then left even more during the corner.

Looks like Hamilton caught some understeer and couldnt keep it tight. Not malicious but still his fault
 
Good racing that we all wanted to see but come on fellas, Hamilton should of given him more room. He was never ahead going into that corner even though he thinks he was. Then again I think Max could of let Lewis go and just ran him down but up until the crash, brilliant racing, back and forth.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Again I can understand where your coming from.
My thoughts are 60/40 Lewis error, 10 seconds was about right, Kim did the same to Lewis few seasons ago and got 10 seconds.
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Huge, positive strides have been made towards safer racing, but all the penalties given in the last two races have just struck me as massively overreactions. Today reminded me of Spain 2016 - that was deemed a racing incident, so why not this? I appreciate that's rhetorical!

Rooney1987 said:
I know many bring this up but can you imagine if social media was about when Schumacher/Senna drove. If you can't handle what happened today don't rewatch the 80s and 90s F1.
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And this is when the stewards basically did nothing relative to what they do now.
 
Horner comes across as a parent of a child who can be a bit of a dick who defends them non-stop.
You know the parent who won't take any criticism of his child at all, and defends till the bitter end.
For someone who is team manager to say what he has about Hamilton is disgraceful.
Never say anything when your angry. Never air your anger in public. He should have come out and say it was not a great day, he is glad that Max is good. And added it was hard racing and no one wants to see a crash and it would have been a better race if Max had still been in the race. This is my problem with Red Bull, he lacks class. For him and Helmet to come out like is poor. Really poor.
Horner won't help Max with this attitude. Horner reminds me of most of ex girlfriends, no accountability. Sit down with Max and tell he is in the lead In the fastest car, no need to shove his balls out at every fecking corner.
 
BIGbadBOO4 said:
Horner comes across as a parent of a child who can be a bit of a dick who defends them non-stop.
You know the parent who won't take any criticism of his child at all, and defends till the bitter end.
For someone who is team manager to say what he has about Hamilton is disgraceful.
Never say anything when your angry. Never air your anger in public. He should have come out and say it was not a great day, he is glad that Max is good. And added it was hard racing and no one wants to see a crash and it would have been a better race if Max had still been in the race. This is my problem with Red Bull, he lacks class. For him and Helmet to come out like is poor. Really poor.
Horner won't help Max with this attitude. Horner reminds me of most of ex girlfriends, no accountability. Sit down with Max and tell he is in the lead In the fastest car, no need to shove his balls out at every fecking corner.
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Strikes me as them being scared this will lead to a momentum shift.
 
Rooney1987 said:
I know many bring this up but can you imagine if social media was about when Schumacher/Senna drove. If you can't handle what happened today don't rewatch the 80s and 90s F1.
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Their head would explode and internet would be broken watching Senna/Prost race in Suzuka that day
 
max’s biggest error was giving lewis the inside line, should have made him go around the outside.
 
Adam-Utd said:
max’s biggest error was giving lewis the inside line, should have made him go around the outside.
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Its harder to make the apex on the inside to be honest. The outside line is the best line into the corner especially with the racing line.
 
Wouldnt be suprised if Hamilton wins the champioship. RB seem rattled
 
Dr. Funkenstein said:
If he's had a great drive he's had a great drive, and there have been some. But he's in the fastest car, he's lucky his mistake (let's assume) takes out his rival and not him, he gets the lightest possible penalty that is easily compensated for by the speed of his car, he's lucky he can get his car repaired, Sainz gets a bad pitstop, Bottas gets teamorders and he catches Leclerc in a far slower car. That's in no way a brilliant drive, it's a very, very lucky win and an injustice to his rival that he caused. It takes a typically entitled Englishman to not show any modesty and it takes even more entitled Englishmen not to feel embarassed about it.
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Max is one of the most aggressive drivers and has been at fault for numerous incidents in his career. He chose to be aggressive defending with a 35 point lead in the championship and came off second best.

Reverse the roles and there’s zero chance Max reacts any different to Hamilton, and there’s zero chance those dressed in orange aren’t celebrating massively.
 
vangagal said:
Their head would explode and internet would be broken watching Senna/Prost race in Suzuka that day
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They were teammates as well. Now teammates are nit allowed to race. Good times it was back then.
 
Rooney1987 said:
I know many bring this up but can you imagine if social media was about when Schumacher/Senna drove. If you can't handle what happened today don't rewatch the 80s and 90s F1.
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Truer words have never been spoken.

I can imagine Senna especially winding folks up :lol:
 
Adam-Utd said:
max’s biggest error was giving lewis the inside line, should have made him go around the outside.
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Agree, but Red Bull kicking off like Two narcissistic parents won't help Max learn from his small mistakes. Even throughout Merc dominance even I want hard fair driving. My opinion with Max it seems just hard racing.
 
Cassidy said:
Wouldnt be suprised if Hamilton wins the champioship. RB seem rattled
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Could work well and drive them on more, or like you said could be cracking under the pressure.

Lewis does seem to have fair bit of luck on his side so though, always need that to win things.
 
PlayerOne said:
Could work well and drive them on more, or like you said could be cracking under the pressure.

Lewis does seem to have fair bit of luck on his side so though, always need that to win things.
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Its not luck with Lewis. You cant be that lucky
 
Sassy Colin said:
Max's car is that much faster, he could have given Lewis the ground and reeled him back in later in the race.

Likely that Lewis psyched him out by driving all over him on the first lap. If the roles are reversed, I suggest that's what Lewis would have done.
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He wouldn't have done so because his ego is too big to accept getting passed. Any normal driver that has a faster car will not risk getting burned on lap 1 with such aggressive and reckless driving
 
I would still be putting mmy mortgage on Verstappan winning. The Red Bull is clearly the superior car, have People forgotten the previous 2 races? They are at least 0.5 seconds faster.
Red Bull and Verstappan Will win this year.
 
Fantastic drive from Lewis.
Re the incident - neither Max (hope he's ok), nor Lewis were going to give way. Both pushing for it, both born racers. Something bound to happen.

As for Horner - he reminds me every time he opens his mouth why dislike him so much. Toto had the right answer when they asked if he would call him - per Toto, no he's going to have hamburgers with his team :lol:

Overall exciting race.
 
Canagel said:
He wouldn't have done so because his ego is too big to accept getting passed. Any normal driver that has a faster car will not risk getting burned on lap 1 with such aggressive and reckless driving
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It was great driving to be honest and what most fans want to see. Hardly reckless but either driver at that. Otherwise why watch F1. Only issue seemed to be Hamilton catching some understeer which was unfortunate.
 
Cassidy said:
Its not luck with Lewis. You cant be that lucky
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Not all luck no, car is well built and he's an amazing driver. But he does have luck on his side, comes out clean out of that incident and no retirement is years requires luck
 
Adam-Utd said:
max’s biggest error was giving lewis the inside line, should have made him go around the outside.
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He actually moved to the middle and gave Hamilton the outside line. It was Hamilton that then opted to go further inside, but that them leaves him really tight to take the corner. If it's a corner with braking then it's advantage Hamilton from there, except its not and you need to start wide to take it properly.

From Hamilton's perspective to make that move stick like that you need to get really ahead before the turn-in point so that you can actually start to move towards the middle of the track and not try and take it from such a shallow angle. That's my overall issue with it and why I put the blame mainly on Hamilton, because what he went for just isn't a doable move. You can't compare to the moves on Leclerc and Norris because in those instances the cars in front stayed outside and Hamilton was able to be inside but towards the middle of the track, giving him a more viable angle to take the corner from.
 
dinostar77 said:
Your living in a alternative reality mate if you think the Mercedes is the fastest car on the grid.
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Verstappen is destroying his teammate again while Hamilton is struggling to get more than 1 tenth on replacement driver Bottas. The cars have been closely matched from the beginning of the seasan and the RBR had progressed a bit more, but unless you believe Bottas is a great driver, there's no reason to believe the RBR is the better car. It's obvious that Verstappen did a much better job outside his speed, not making stupid mistakes like Hamilton, not having the incredible luck of Hamilton, but being very unlucky twice instead.
elmo said:
Get off this forum if Englishman gets on your nerve that much and join a max fanclub forum where everyone will agree with you that Max is the greatest driver of all time and everyone else is just wrong.
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I've never been much of a Verstappen fan because I can't stand the stupidity of hypes and fanboyism and proper sport journalism being sacrificed. That's in the Netherlands too but not as stupid, and Hamilton is hyped there too. All the times I've heard that Hamilton is brilliant for only just beating Bottas and so many times I've heard that Hamilton made a very rare mistake, I started to believe they must be extremely rare. But I have to admit that Verstappen has matured as a driver and the way he keeps embarassing his teammates lately is very impressive. Hamilton has only become more childish and less impressive over his teammate, while starting to make a lot of mistakes when he's finally under pressure.

To become the greatest Verstappen has an awful lot of work to do. Hamilton is not even near greatness because you have to take a team and a car up a level. We racing fans all know his stats are down to the best team with the best car in F1 history and weak teammates.
pauldyson1uk said:
Give it up ! you post English fans have no shame,them you post this, double standards, can't have it both ways.
You can't moan about fans doing something, then say, your going to do the same.
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Allthough many Dutch overidolize Verstappen, but they will know a lucky win from a brilliant drive and treat it as such, and Verstappen won't blow his own trumpet over lucky wins either. That sense of entitlement, the idea that being English makes you deserve luck and leniant stewards is typically English.

Lewis was ALWAYS going to be given a hard time at Zandvoort.
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He's been getting on people's nerves with his self glorification after easy and/or lucky wins, his hypocrisy and BLM moaning doesn't go down that well either, but as a driver he had massive respect.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Come on every driver has some luck, but to say Lewis's aways needs luck to win, that's just :wenger:
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No, you misunderstood what I meant, maybe poorly worded, but I said you need luck on your side to things, in almost every sport, which he does have.

Lewis for me is GOAT, even though I'm not a fan of his.
 
This thread is fascinating. I never watch F1, but following the season through this thread is quite exciting.
 
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