F1 2021 Season

If he's had a great drive he's had a great drive, and there have been some. But he's in the fastest car, he's lucky his mistake (let's assume) takes out his rival and not him, he gets the lightest possible penalty that is easily compensated for by the speed of his car, he's lucky he can get his car repaired, Sainz gets a bad pitstop, Bottas gets teamorders and he catches Leclerc in a far slower car. That's in no way a brilliant drive, it's a very, very lucky win and an injustice to his rival that he caused. It takes a typically entitled Englishman to not show any modesty and it takes even more entitled Englishmen not to feel embarassed about it.
Your living in a alternative reality mate if you think the Mercedes is the fastest car on the grid.
 
If positions were reversed would Max have backed out or do exactly what Hamilton would have done? Even the most ardent Verstappan fan boys know Max would have done exactly the same. Max is a do or die driver, other drivers Hamilton and Vettel had mentioned on multiple occasions in the past you have to race differently against him. Max was all over the place on that first lap.and he pushes everything past the limit for me. He weaves all over when Hamilton is behind trying to break the toe. Last few weeks others drivers started doing it and were warned. Hamilton took norris and leclerc on the same corner, so it shows you can do it. Obviously, if 2 drivers will not yield then this is going to happen.
Hamilton backed out vs LeClerc and was also tighter in the corner. Didnt stop LeClerc shitting himself though ha
 
If he's had a great drive he's had a great drive, and there have been some. But he's in the fastest car, he's lucky his mistake (let's assume) takes out his rival and not him, he gets the lightest possible penalty that is easily compensated for by the speed of his car, he's lucky he can get his car repaired, Sainz gets a bad pitstop, Bottas gets teamorders and he catches Leclerc in a far slower car. That's in no way a brilliant drive, it's a very, very lucky win and an injustice to his rival that he caused. It takes a typically entitled Englishman to not show any modesty and it takes even more entitled Englishmen not to feel embarassed about it.
Get off this forum if Englishman gets on your nerve that much and join a max fanclub forum where everyone will agree with you that Max is the greatest driver of all time and everyone else is just wrong.
 
no idea where you’re going with this.

hamilton is in a fast car yes, but bottas is in the same. he can’t do what hamilton can, so surely that emphasis just how good he is?
All that proves is that Hamilton is a better driver than Bottas and in a car a second faster
Not decided either way yet.
From what I have seen, yeah the 10 second was maybe right, but taken out no totally disagree with you, seen incidents like it many times and the same penalty has been given out.
But if you think he took him out, deliberately, wish the risk of taking himself out also, you knock your socks off..
Winning from where he was after the penalty, was an excellent drive, but you won't agree and that's OK.
I initially pointed out that Hamilton took out the only car which could have beaten him as the second Red Bull was way behind and obviously not as good as Hamilton. What was wrong in that statement? Mercs are way faster than Ferrari and that showed today in the closing stages. Leclerc was doing personal bests but still Hamilton was a second quicker pretty much the last 13-14 laps on slightly older tyres. That simply shows the advantage Mercs have on Ferrari.
If he had done this to Max and Red Bull of this season, then one could actually call it the brilliant drive that you claim it was.
 
This sets a bad precedent though. Imagine if we are at the tail end of the season and have a very close title race. If the leader knows that they will get a 10s penalty for pushing thier rival off track, then they will do it.
If you deliberately push someone off the track you can expect to damage your own car and can't be sure that it is going to be race ending for the person you push. The idea that someone can use this as a race tactic is just crazy.
 
"I hope Lewis is proud of himself" and "hollow victory" among other things. Was embarrassing and below his station as a team leader really.
Will also escalate the rivalry to potential dangerous levels when he should be keeping everyone safe.

We all know the roles could've been reversed between Max and Lewis for today's crash, and might be in the future.
 
All that proves is that Hamilton is a better driver than Bottas and in a car a second faster

I initially pointed out that Hamilton took out the only car which could have beaten him as the second Red Bull was way behind and obviously not as good as Hamilton. What was wrong in that statement? Mercs are way faster than Ferrari and that showed today in the closing stages. Leclerc was doing personal bests but still Hamilton was a second quicker pretty much the last 13-14 laps on slightly older tyres. That simply shows the advantage Mercs have on Ferrari.
If he had done this to Max and Red Bull of this season, then one could actually call it the brilliant drive that you claim it was.
Its still a brilliant drive
 
If positions were reversed would Max have backed out or do exactly what Hamilton would have done? Even the most ardent Verstappan fan boys know Max would have done exactly the same. Max is a do or die driver, other drivers Hamilton and Vettel had mentioned on multiple occasions in the past you have to race differently against him. Max was all over the place on that first lap.and he pushes everything past the limit for me. He weaves all over when Hamilton is behind trying to break the toe. Last few weeks others drivers started doing it and were warned. Hamilton took norris and leclerc on the same corner, so it shows you can do it. Obviously, if 2 drivers will not yield then this is going to happen.

Yeah Max seems to get a pass for being overly aggressive, he's been treated with kid gloves by stewards most of his career, and it's basically forces drivers to back out and give him the advantage.

He was just as aggressive as Lewis for that entire first lap, as you say weaving all over the place, for me he's just as guilty for the contact.
 
If positions were reversed would Max have backed out or do exactly what Hamilton would have done? Even the most ardent Verstappan fan boys know Max would have done exactly the same. Max is a do or die driver, other drivers Hamilton and Vettel had mentioned on multiple occasions in the past you have to race differently against him. Max was all over the place on that first lap.and he pushes everything past the limit for me. He weaves all over when Hamilton is behind trying to break the toe. Last few weeks others drivers started doing it and were warned. Hamilton took norris and leclerc on the same corner, so it shows you can do it. Obviously, if 2 drivers will not yield then this is going to happen.
This is the most accurate description of the incident I have seen. I fear that was Horners inflammatory response Max will drive even more aggressively in the future. Could cause more damage.
 
No, not at all. He and the British fans simply know no shame. He can look forward to the reception at Zandvoort.
Give it up ! you post English fans have no shame,them you post this, double standards, can't have it both ways.
You can't moan about fans doing something, then say, your going to do the same.
Lewis was ALWAYS going to be given a hard time at Zandvoort.
 
Can't believe this idiot got rewarded for taking out Verstappen .
Lewis Hamilton feckin cheat
The stewards have calculated the penalty well.
It’s easy to win when you take out the superior car at the beginning
Turns out Hamilton can find the apex on that corner when he needs to.
Take out your competitor and gain 25 points.
We all knew that he knows this track like the back of his hand, he knew what he was doing when he took his biggest rival out and got away with it.
Cheaters always win.
It's dead rigged sport and has been for over ten years or more.
Sad day for F1 really. That 10 second penatly was a joke and the win proved it. If Max can't race next weekend, then that's another 15-20 points in the bag. Classless.
Why do people watch Lewis Hamilton fanclub events all year and complain about the stewards, the interviewers and commentators being fans and Hamilton blowing his own trumpet again after another very lucky one?
This sets a bad precedent though. Imagine if we are at the tail end of the season and have a very close title race. If the leader knows that they will get a 10s penalty for pushing thier rival off track, then they will do it.


:drool:
 
For me though it is a problem in the sport.
Of course we all want to watch racing, thats what we're here for.

In my opinion though, this incident was the fault of Lewis, and I don't think it was on purpose, but in my opinion, Max was ahead and had the right to the line he choses at this point.

Now the fact that Hamilton takes him out, and catches up 25 valuable points in the process for me doesn't really sit right with the sport. Not saying I know what could be done :lol: but that could be a championship ending incident for Max and he wasn't at fault.
Again I can understand where your coming from.
My thoughts are 60/40 Lewis error, 10 seconds was about right, Kim did the same to Lewis few seasons ago and got 10 seconds.
 
You just made it so much easier to know wbo are the loons in this thread :lol:
No doubt the same people that complain about F1 not being competitive anymore and racing is dead etc. We all know if it was the other way around they would be defending Max and saying it's Lewis' fault. So predictable.
 
Interesting compilation on Sky of the various Max overtakes on Lewis which would've been contact if Lewis hadn't have backed out of it. At least 3 times.

E.g. Barcelona and Austria where in there I think.
 
Watching the analysis from Karun again and you can see how Max could have avoided this as well, it’s done now but the teams really need to a take a breather before talking shit on live TV.
 
Ladies and gentleman take a bow for the GOAT.

To you mere mortals his name is Sir. Lewis. Hamilton.

It’s coming home.

:smirk:
 
Karun sums it up perfectly there, both at fault for differing reasons
 
I mean Max has never put his elbows out before has he.

Absolutely not. It’d be an absurd thing to suggest. You’d be called mad if you said that his driving in this entire race itself was aggressive…..

He only overtakes on straights and asks for the drivers permission before attempting
 
Watching the analysis from Karun again and you can see how Max could have avoided this as well, it’s done now but the teams really need to a take a breather before talking shit on live TV.
Karun speaks a lot of sense. It's a racing incident end of.
 
I don't see why Lewis should have pulled back. Plenty of space for Max to drive in yet he turns into Lewis.

Glad to see Horners true self though. Always fantastic sportsmanship.
 
If he's had a great drive he's had a great drive, and there have been some. But he's in the fastest car, he's lucky his mistake (let's assume) takes out his rival and not him, he gets the lightest possible penalty that is easily compensated for by the speed of his car, he's lucky he can get his car repaired, Sainz gets a bad pitstop, Bottas gets teamorders and he catches Leclerc in a far slower car. That's in no way a brilliant drive, it's a very, very lucky win and an injustice to his rival that he caused. It takes a typically entitled Englishman to not show any modesty and it takes even more entitled Englishmen not to feel embarassed about it.
Think you need to log out for a while, entitled Englishman FFS !
Fastest car, are you watching the same races, the Red Bull is faster any fool can see that.
I quite like Max he is an extremely talented driver, its his fans that need to to tone it down.
It's not the first time, you have gone on the attack like this, your worst than Santi and he was banned.