Still..... Good news about the chocolate oranges.
European Super League
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The implications are enormous and if I was a ET lawyer or contract Lawyer, I'd be planning my retirement on the fees alone.
Why though? Winning the league is still winning the league. We want to keep Liverpool from getting 20. We wanna get the 21st. Need to break City's Hegemony. The only thing it would change is that 6 of the clubs would not care about the top 4 battle and isn't that what our fans make fun of us for these days? Caring about the top 4 trophy? West Ham and Leicester still want the top 4.
Alright mate, I think the cancellation/suspension stuff was crap aswell. There was feck all vetting of tweets happening earlier unfortunately.
If the various governments actually decided to do something about it, there is absolutely nothing these clubs could do to stop them.
Come 600+ Guests, have a seat.
Right, listen yeah, there used to be this club yeah and they started out as Newton heath and there was this thing called the treble...
Well, at least now we can all collectively open our eyes and see how stupid blindly supporting a corporation is.
Yep, top players wages will at least double and you'll need 200m to buy Fred.
This
The political capital in the UK is unique Vs anywhere in America.
You could see MP's losing seats over this let alone what could happen if fans united and organised.
Wonder how long it'll take to have kick off times to suit Asian TV/viewing audience?
Or to play some games in other countries... The Man United Globetrotters.
Or sell United as a franchise and relocate them.
The longer this goes on, the more I think up stupid things. Bed
Or to play some games in other countries... The Man United Globetrotters.
Or sell United as a franchise and relocate them.
The longer this goes on, the more I think up stupid things. Bed
Come 600+ Guests, have a seat.
Isn't that 2000+ guests though?
BT will be the biggest loser in the TV game. They've invested millions into the champions league and now it could become a B grade competition.
Sky could still broadcast Premier League games as they have done. Amazon could muscle in and get more games though
Sky could still broadcast Premier League games as they have done. Amazon could muscle in and get more games though
"Europes Greatest Clubs."
Villa and Forest have both won the European Cup since Spurs last won a title.
Villa and Forest have both won the European Cup since Spurs last won a title.
I'm listening....
Do they have to be in the same group?
La Liga have already been doing it to suit the asian audience.
Any speculation on who the other 3 member are?
Thats the thing. They will sort all of that out in the short term. The main thing is, its a coup of UEFA. The big clubs are clearly not happy with them and in truth they have a right not to be. I think an agreement will eventually be made or a new governing body will be created, but for all the top clubs to come together like this, it has to be for far more reasons that simply greed.
Imo UEFA and the individual leagues huffing and puffing will only lead to more alienation. FIFA and the leagues will eventually fold as the game is only popular today because of these teams and players. This is basically a public arbitration. UEFA overemphasized their power and the clubs who made them what they are are fighting back. Talk of greed, death of football, is all an exaggeration. Its annoying and it will take some time, but this matter will be resolved.
Effectively yes! Or at least that's what they want under this model with the big teams get even bigger and richer that's part of the aim of it.
If I have to start supporting a new club I think this tweet might make me choose Wrexham
I think its relevant more in terms of the way the clubs will look at it, and the way they look at it will, no matter what fans think, eventually be the way we look at it.
If winning the EPL is no longer much of a financial bonus for the Glazers they will tell the manager to focus on Super League games regardless of the EPL fixtures. If United have a EPL game vs Liverpool on Saturday and a Super League Quarter Final vs Madrid on Wednesday and the board tells the United Manager to ignore the league game he will. If fans start seeing that the focus is not on the league then winning the league becomes less important.
pretty much this. Entitled owners who have had their pockets hurt when they werent good enough to qualify for champions league. Arsenal arent a patch on leicester atm but the owners want to ringfence the money they think the football universe owes them, and give two fingers to the champions league and spirit of football. The whole of football is based on the idea that its an infinite game with all sorts of outcomes. Look at Bournemouth for instance - nearly dropped out of league two then rode the leagues up to the premier league. West Ham have a small squad and some financial issues but look as though they might finish higher up the table than the raining champions.
This super league is a pisstake because theres no route in or out. Its not a competition its an exhibition.
It will be fascinating (perhaps morbidly so) to see how managers, coaches and players respond to this publicly now we know the stance of their clubs. I expect most will tow the party line, but conversely could mean a massive shake up in personnel. Wasn't Klopp, for example, really against the idea?
Football clubs have countries as owners now, major foreign investors. Boris was trying to unlawfully let Saudi Arabia buy Newcastle ffs.
Theyll do nothing about it.
So, if the founding group grows from 12 to 15 and those 15 are in it every year, how are the 5 chosen to compete in the competition in that given season? I take it 'top four' won't be a thing anymore?
With the news of this wank league being confirmed by our club, I'm genuinely struggling to see the incentives the Glazers might have for NOT just selling the naming rights of Old Trafford to some American shit firm. Today they just took a dump on every fan of the club - feck all will happen - so why not say feck it, and rename Old Trafford the Coca-Cola Arena? Already fits with the colors. I wouldn't put anything past these...... people.
I'm all ears for reforming the CL and all that.
But to form an "exclusive" group of European clubs in an arbitrary period of time is completely unfair to all the other clubs in European football. It goes against the beauty of unpredictability, where a couple of good transfers and a good coach can make clubs like Atalanta qualify for the CL and make Ajax or Lyon reach the semi's.
Hell, there is no guarantee that Liverpool will be as big as in 50 years as they are now. Or Spurs. Or Inter Milan. Maybe they get overtaken domestically. But none of that matters anymore because this group of 15 founding clubs have decided they are exclusive and the rest can go feck themselves.
But to form an "exclusive" group of European clubs in an arbitrary period of time is completely unfair to all the other clubs in European football. It goes against the beauty of unpredictability, where a couple of good transfers and a good coach can make clubs like Atalanta qualify for the CL and make Ajax or Lyon reach the semi's.
Hell, there is no guarantee that Liverpool will be as big as in 50 years as they are now. Or Spurs. Or Inter Milan. Maybe they get overtaken domestically. But none of that matters anymore because this group of 15 founding clubs have decided they are exclusive and the rest can go feck themselves.
This.
The clubs and players will be happy to win the League beside competing in ESL. Finishing #2 instead of #3 etc.
If there's more than greed involved then they've done a bloody terrible job of managing to actually communicate that to anyone. Given that currently about 95% of football fans are raging against them, including fans of 40 years plus like myself ready to stop supporting our clubs.
It's Bayern, Dortmund and PSG who declined to get involved.
I agree
Well yeah, it's obviously being done to make money. Nobody is clever for thinking that, I haven't seen any of the statements coming from those involved claim this is an act of charity.
Yes, they want to make money. So does everyone in football. Sky, BT, the Premier League etc etc etc. Wanting to make money isn't 'the' bad reason.
To make money though, they need a good product, so even if it's for selfish reasons, they will want it to be a good product. You've created a hidden agenda that I don't see existing.
Do you think that they think that they are hiding the money aspect or something? When someone builds a stunning hotel, it is ultimately to make money, their interest in guest enjoyment isn't genuine, it doesn't go past wanting it because it leads to more money. They want high satisfaction because they've invested heavily and want a hefty return. I've never cared if the motivations behind creating something is purely greed, as long as I like the product. I know when I buy a coca cola product that I'm contributing towards some greedy wanker's Christmas bonus. I know that when I buy a TV, when I pay to watch a film, when I pay for a Netflix subscription, when I nip through Maccies on the way home and get a McFlurry. I know it when I buy a game like Cyberpunk 2077. The fact that the ultimate goal of those at the top is to make as much money as possible, it doesn't stop me from buying into that. If I held everything to that regard, I'd do nothing, ever. I'd boycott everything.
One last point. People talking about how unfair it is the Oil Clubs have been allowed to do whatever they want.
Real Madrid are looking to get sponsorship money from the Middle East and a few years earlier removed the cross from their crest, for that's worth.
The fight between the 'traditional' clubs and the Oil clubs is just another version of Old versus New money, just in football terms.
In the end, the small person supporting their beloved club loses out.
I honestly fully expect Klopp to nope out and I think this may be related to their form this season. So much of the news stories in this recent season make a lot more sense now.
Pep works for the Arabs, soo....
Real Madrid are looking to get sponsorship money from the Middle East and a few years earlier removed the cross from their crest, for that's worth.
The fight between the 'traditional' clubs and the Oil clubs is just another version of Old versus New money, just in football terms.
In the end, the small person supporting their beloved club loses out.
I honestly fully expect Klopp to nope out and I think this may be related to their form this season. So much of the news stories in this recent season make a lot more sense now.
Pep works for the Arabs, soo....
Some matches will be surely played in China and USA 
I'll be honest, I think there will be too much economical pressure on us in the long run to stand by that decission. If the ESL goes forward it's either to join it or risk behind completly left behind...
Fred - £200m well spent.
This already happens though when we play PSG - City - PSG this season. And in reality, the opposite of what you said will happen. Since the SL isn't super incentivized (you get a large chunk of the money for just participating) whereas the PL is, surely the boards would tell the manager to focus on the league since who cares if we're bottom of our SL group that year?
What if a European Super League would have been formed around 1980 and it would have included Nottingham Forest after their back-to-back European Cups?
The randomness of this "exclusivity" at an arbitrary moment in time is a complete disgrace.
The randomness of this "exclusivity" at an arbitrary moment in time is a complete disgrace.
American plutocracy vs Meritocracy. I hope Europe does better and show those yanks who's boss - at least when it comes to football.