No, this is literally an existential threat to UEFA. If they have to ban teams they will, it won't just go away. If this happens the Premier League product will be ruined so the PL and the Government won't just allow that to happen.
European Super League
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I do not see the point of watching games where there is no real consequences. No qualification and no relegation. This league will be the same as national leagues in the end. Some top teams and some teams always ending in the bottom of the league. But the bottom teams now does not have a reason to play the games.
I have loved the Premier league all of my life and I have been a Man Utd fan for just as long. But whats the point now. Nothing but money to fight for.
I have loved the Premier league all of my life and I have been a Man Utd fan for just as long. But whats the point now. Nothing but money to fight for.
I share your general feeling. This amuses me more than anything else. My love for the game seriously decreased a few years ago. I don't care anymore about it, I say let it all burn
Do you know what de facto means? I genuinely believe you are in denial. Forget about UEFA and their brand for a moment, no one cares about them. 12 of the 14 best clubs in Europe will leave UEFA to join the SL. On paper, UEFA can keep calling their trophy Champions League, Champions Cup, Pikachoo Cup, whatever. De facto, the CL will become the SL.
The Milan clubs don’t deserve the cash injection if they are not good on the pitch. Either win it or get lost in History like so many clubs before them. There’s no divine right.
They want it to be a business? Xerox and Kodak got wiped out because they couldn’t keep up. Fight for the top by investing in teams as much as you can. If you can’t, you deserve to disappear like Xerox or Kodak.
A club is elite because it proves it’s an elite club by winning against everyone on the pitch.
Yep, these are the casual fans that this competition are aiming for, legacy fans need not apply.
Not all of them will, in the end only 2-3 teams will be good enough every year and since there is no risk not winning this league, no relegation, no missing out on serious financing, the likes of Arsenal, Spurs, Man Utd will just go through the motions, amassing money and not even needing to invest it in the team.
If you are knocked out of CL you might not have a chance to play in it again next year if you suck in your league. If you are knocked out of the group it hurts because you feel you wasted a chance in having a good campaign in an elite competition when you're not even sure if you will be back in it next year.
If you are knocked out of Super League you are back in it again next year regardless, try again next year and the next and the next. It doesn't matter when you will ever win it, you will keep getting chances every single year, there's no stacks. You aren't worried of wasting your chance in winning it this year because you have infinite number of opportunities in the future to keep trying, and you will still get ton of money by just playing.
Sounds like we can’t kick them out?
UEFA doesn't have it's offices in Switzerland as a joke. They may decide against it (for TV money if nothing else) but if they really want to I have little doubt they'd just do it and face whatever people manage to throw at them.
It isn't about brand. The European Cup and Champions League literally belong to UEFA, I can't just set up my own football competition and declare I'm carrying over all European Cup wins into it, I have no connection to it or them. I can't suddenly declare ownership of Sir Matt's win in 68 and any of the other moments that came under UEFA. If they want to start a tinpot trophy they need to start their own history and not steal someone elses'. Also In 18 years on this forum Ive never blocked anyone but you're clearly just trolling people because no one is as dumb as you're acting and its tiresome so you're the first. Goodbye.
This is all true but will apply the same way to the SL - you're getting knocked out early, you wait a full year until you get the chance again.
During Fergie's times, there were like 16 straight seasons when we were basically guaranteed to be in the CL every single year. Getting knocked out felt as bad as getting knocked out in our occasional CL cameos in the last decade.
The other rank thing about this is that some of these clubs were furloughing and letting staff go because they were complaining about not having enough money while they were plotting this greedy little scheme at the same time. cnuts.
Dude, are you getting paid by UEFA? No one cares about them. It's the teams that make the competition, not the random suits behind it. No need to be salty about it.
And the European Cup and Champions League belong to the clubs who won it, not to UEFA. UEFA might have organized the tournament but they are nothing but empty cash grabbing suits who are no better than the people behind the SL. Where is that romantic high moral stance on UEFA coming from?
In the words of Drogba :" it's an effin disgrace!"
This will destroy the quality of the premier league. These selfish six will be placing more emphasis on their JP Morgan exhibition games at Shea stadium, sponsored by HBO because there is a lot of $$ at stake, then at the weekend playing second string, or squad players in the EPL, because there is nothing riding on the EPL anymore. The EPL will be known as the Jolly Boy's Outing which sums up this pathetic group anway.,
A year? It's a group of 10 teams with both playing each other home and away. That means each team will be guaranteed to play at least 18 games. The entire CL campaign is only 13 games if you reach the final. They won't be waiting for a "year". By the time this group ends it will probably be late Feb, early March or something. You start again in August, about 5 months later it's not a big deal.
And what happened after SAF ? We don't take qualifying for the CL for granted anymore.
No, your government won't do anything apart from publishing some statements.
When the Glazers bought us, ABUs were thrilled. They loved to see a successful club which was the gold standard of how a club should be run being saddled with a mountain of debt. That hindered our success. I wonder if those same ABUs are happy now.
Yes this why I think the Government will intervene. The Premier league is one of our leading "products", something that has attracted a lot of interest and obviously money to the country. The writing it on the wall if nearly a third of the teams in it no longer give a shit about where they finish. A season where Arsenal and Spurs can routinely finish 13th and 14th and still sign better players, earn more money, and have better fixtures the following season than say West Ham and Leicester who finish 3rd and 4th would be a joke. It would kill the interest of fans from those clubs, weakened teams would be fielded, fixtures would be irrelevant.
And if you're getting knocked out of the CL anywhere from February to April/May you also wait 3-6 months, not a full year. This is the same thing. If I understand correctly, there will be a group stage and a knockout stage. So it will be very similar to the CL.
I am not paid by the UEFA, but if you leave it, you leave all your trophies. It’s very simple.
I think you underestimate how populists work. And this is the opium of the people. It’s a guaranteed win in elections if you smash it down.
It took four years for that government to leave the EU and about two years to agree the deal.
I think you're a bit too optimistic, but I may be wrong.
There were never guarantees for many of those 12 clubs to be back in the CL the following year. Some of them haven't been in it for ages.
It has little to do with the CL
Okay, but this is what we think today - I can assure you that the opinion will be totally different in a few weeks' time.
It's always like this, give it some time, it all came totally unexpectedly and people - including myself, to be fair - always overreact.
If you are knocked out of CL by March it means you are KOed from QF not from the group stage like this.
If you are KOed from the group in CL you are basically out from the competition in November or December and have to wait till next September to start the next campaign if you actually manage to qualify to it anyway.
You are guaranteed only 6 games in CL, the rest if you manage to get to KO. You are guaranteed 18 freaking games in SL before the playoff starts. You won't wait long to get your new chance if you finish 10th out of 10 in the group.
They are really losing nothing. There are no stacks to worry about. It's a pretty safe competition for everyone involved : many games, ton of money and guaranteed spot.
Will a club like Tottenham care about not winning it? What's their chance to do it? Will they lose anything? No, they are winners from participating in it even though they know fully well they will never manage to defeat all of these to win it.
As long as we don't get kicked out of the PL I think in time things will be alright, no better than that, the PL will be watered down and not feel the same competition when 6 of the main teams, the most hyped teams, will simply not take it as seriously anymore.
I struggle to see how with the SL unless it joins forces with UEFA (not happening) football as we know it is the same again. I just hope in time things work out.
I struggle to see how with the SL unless it joins forces with UEFA (not happening) football as we know it is the same again. I just hope in time things work out.
I think owners severely under estimated the response to this. They might have anticipated fan back lash and may be uefa threats but I highly doubt they expected or have a response to uk parliament suddenly taking interest in ownership and running of football.
Perez has spouting a lot of bs. But having worked in finance my entire life I refuse to believe jp morgan have actually put up a single dime yet or that clubs have signed anything binding when nothing actually has firmly established yet. ESL doesn't have all its 15 members lined up yet let alone the additional 5 it seeks to bring on merit, then there's the national fa response and government response. JP Morgan will be the first ones who high tail out of this project while the Americans and perez are left facing the wrath.
Yeah I hope they see more and more obstacles. Would be great if JPM starts catching that this is not going to be that successful without public support but so far, they seem to be winning the battle.
Which is exactly why the 14 need to give these 6 a final ultimatum or vote them out, fully backed by UEFA enforcing European and international bans, and supporters of the big six opposing this to the hilt. Things will never be alright for the vast majority of clubs in this country or our domestic competition.
What I’m curious about is how much the 6 still owe to other clubs in transfer fees tied to PL, European and International appearances. If they are booted out of these competitions based on a rule breach and are unable to meet transfer obligations then I can see lawsuits in their droves coming from the other clubs. A hard stop on all major revenue streams and hundreds of millions in liabilities being pushed through the courts is going to make the owners think again.
Likewise player contracts with clauses tied to PL, European and International appearances, will the top 6 clubs have to renegotiate every contract? Where does that leave them?
What about sponsorship contracts if these clubs get booted? Not only at club but also player level. If Harry Kane won’t be at the Euros, what do Nike do?
I still think this can be stopped if everyone stands firm.
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I thought all players contracts were under the FIFA framework and if there is a ban at all level, maybe players can leave for free, killing the assets of those clubs. Where would they go is a big question though. They may be forced to resign a contract with most of the clubs?
For me, this is a legal mess.
That Perez interview was something else. How about spending within your means! Dont pay players £500k per week if you can afford it and don’t buy Haaland for £100m if you don’t have it.
We're trying to save football* from kids and their X-Boxes!
*Just specifically these 12 clubs who are more hard up for cash than the rest though
*Just specifically these 12 clubs who are more hard up for cash than the rest though
It's almost like Spurs getting to a champions League final less than 2 years ago didn't happen for you isn't it. I absolutely hate this SL idea but to say Spurs would never be able to win it is bollocks, especially with the money we would get.
Haaland to Arsenal then? I assume they’ll get first pick in the draft?
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So we are the leaders of English separatists. Perez is Palpatine, Glazer is Dooku and Ed is general Grievous.
Geeks will understand
So we are the leaders of English separatists. Perez is Palpatine, Glazer is Dooku and Ed is general Grievous.
Geeks will understand