Whoever bends over with lube i suppose.
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Whoever bends over with lube i suppose.
The other three clubs.
Porto, Bayern and Leipzig.
There is nothing random about these 15 clubs. It's the 'sort by revenue' option on the filter, not the 'sort by trophies' one.
In fairness to him, that crossypicket fella has spent all day doing a pretty good impression of one.
I’m looking forward to the fallout. I want massive punishment - points docked, players banned, relegation. Hell, even cancellation of football for months of legal battles.
They're trying to replicate the "world series" which takes place in one country. The lot of them should be kicked out.
But what could they do?
These clubs aren't refusing to play the domestic leagues, they're essentially only saying they'll play a different continental league than the one UEFA is organizing
| Club | European Trophies | European Super Cups | European Total | Domestic Leagues | Domestic Cups | Charity Shields | Domestic Total | Overall Leagues | Overall Cups | Overall Super Cups | Overall Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Manchester United | 6 | 2 | 8 | 20 | 17 | 21 | 58 | 20 | 23 | 23 | 66 |
| Liverpool | 10 | 4 | 14 | 19 | 16 | 16 | 51 | 19 | 26 | 20 | 65 |
| Arsenal | 2 | — | 2 | 13 | 17 | 16 | 46 | 13 | 19 | 16 | 48 |
| Chelsea | 5 | 1 | 6 | 6 | 15 | 4 | 25 | 6 | 20 | 5 | 31 |
| Manchester City | 1 | — | 1 | 6 | 13 | 6 | 25 | 6 | 14 | 6 | 26 |
| Tottenham Hotspur | 3 | — | 3 | 2 | 12 | 9 | 23 | 2 | 15 | 9 | 26 |
| Aston Villa | 2 | 1 | 3 | 7 | 12 | 3 | 22 | 7 | 14 | 4 | 25 |
| Everton | 1 | — | 1 | 9 | 5 | 9 | 23 | 9 | 6 | 9 | 24 |
Spurs don't deserve to be a permanent founder club forever and ever for all of perpetuity. They're only ahead of Villa and Everton because of Charity Shield wins, having won a grand total of 2 league titles.
And then he said he hand't read the article or the details.
I try to stay cynical in life, partly due to my life experiences and on days like these, I can't say I have cause to doubt myself.
The only thing that stopped me from seriously believing the paid shill bit was the fact he'd had over 10k posts.
Maybe not from financial point of view, as you will have enough money and still more then other teams in Germany and most of Europe, so you will win titles. But form a sporting point of view you probably will want to start competing with "the best".
But let be honest, you did no make this decision because it's moraly correct, but because this status in German football suits you and that is perfectly fine.
When it comes to PSG, we all know that they had their own reasons and "moral" is not one of them.
I've sat here trying to mellow on it, and maybe I will as the week goes on, but right now, I hate it.
When fans return to Old Trafford, they'll be singing about the time the man who went on to become our manager won us a Champions League to seal off a treble in the absolute dying moments of injury time. That moment isn't just the greatest football memory of a generation of fans, but one of the greatest memories, period.
But I guess we've played our last match in that competition now.
When fans return to Old Trafford, they'll be singing about the time the man who went on to become our manager won us a Champions League to seal off a treble in the absolute dying moments of injury time. That moment isn't just the greatest football memory of a generation of fans, but one of the greatest memories, period.
But I guess we've played our last match in that competition now.
It's just pure greed by the top clubs. Making sure they are guaranteed to be paid vast sums of money every year.
There has been no consideration for the teams who are not invited, all in the name of money and self preservation. It's truly disgraceful.
Well that's not completely true. I've seen some of the tweets from those involved and they've talked about spreading more money across the pyramid, establishing elite competition etc.
Now that could be complete bullshit and they never follow through on it but we will get more details, it's literally just being announced now. It's only because modern technology is what it is and we get so much news instantly that we have such little information. I'm sure there will be more released and more suggestions of why it's a positive thing.
It could be lies and BS but I'm sure we will get it. People need to calm down and see how it unfolds. There may be cause for utter outrage but I don't think it's quite yet. Let's get informed, process it, talk about it etc and then go from there. I'll personally hold back on fully deciding what I think about it until I feel I've got a good amount of information and have properly thought it over.
Right now Spurs generate more revenue than Everton and Leicester.
There is no guarantee that this will be the case in 2060. That's why it is random. Random in the moment of time. Because now in 2021 it has been decided that Spurs are more exclusive than Everton and Leicester.
We should be relegated and the glazers kicked out. I always thought the championship trophy looked better than the premier league trophy
Don't FIFA rules prohibit government interference?
I hate capitalism.
The fact you can articulate the criterion makes it non-random... point-in-time, yes but definitely not randm. But we're arguing semantics here.
No one can know the future and money and money men do not like risks. So they pick the top 15 richest clubs.
And didn't we only win it because 2 years before that the format was changed so we were able to enter the competition as second? It wasn't a champions league anymore.
Some matches will be surely played in China and USA
Nastiness
Plus Spurs has one of the nicest shiniest stadiums in Europe at the moment. Right in the middle of London just waiting for eager punters to watch Real Madrid games.
Well, behaviour like this is why their bottom 50% have seen their wages stay stagnant over 30 years and why they are showing deep cracks socioeconomically and politically.
But don't worry, the rich are stealing your game away because they can manage it better without you. Enjoy your handouts!
No, it was their responsibility to make their case BEFORE signing up to this. Being calm and reasonable now just gives them a greenlight to a decision they've made without any proper consultation with with fans. It was rank arrogance on their part, and they will come to regret it.
Don't get me wrong. If you read my other posts, I absolutely loathe this and can seriously see myself walking away from football for good.
It's just making a point that these actions are anything but random. They're a way to make the rich stay rich or get even richer.
Spot on. It's the tried and tested 'Ask for forgiveness, not for permission' method.
Thats changing an existing competition slightly, much like the invention of the Premier League... Its very different to creating a brand new competition with zero history and 100% privilege
To be honest it would be boring. But all the champions league needs to do is have a similar setup. Add the top 3 teams from the best leagues and have the 2x 10 team groups. At least teams have more work to get top spots for quarter finals.
4th place have a play off or something and then top teams of the groups go through.
It eliminates teams getting easy groups.
I don't agree with this non relegation thing and the monopoly this ESL creates for the big clubs. It is the death of football.
As a fan I just can't help be excited about being able to travel and see utd play big teams instead of us playing Madrid in pre season. But that's my own personal view anyway.
4th place have a play off or something and then top teams of the groups go through.
It eliminates teams getting easy groups.
I don't agree with this non relegation thing and the monopoly this ESL creates for the big clubs. It is the death of football.
As a fan I just can't help be excited about being able to travel and see utd play big teams instead of us playing Madrid in pre season. But that's my own personal view anyway.
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Exactly this.
And some of those clubs are only rich on the back of the achievements and success of better and bigger clubs who went before them. Who paved the way for them to profit from the competitions they are now looking to destroy.
Arsenal can't even qualify for the europa league atm and spurs can't qualify for the champions league and none of them have ever won the big ears. Its arbitrary and ridiculous and scandalous. Head should roll and severe punishments be meted out. Nationalise the big six clubs by an act of parliament and toss all the owners out for a pittance as compensation for nationalising there assets. That'll learn them greedy bastards.
Strangely enough, governments have a lot more power than FIFA does.
It's random time-wise, not financial-wise.
I know these 15 clubs are the richest. But they're the richest at this moment.
Will it? Instead of assuming that has anybody asked the likes of Marcus Rashford?
Why won't it mean as much? You can finish second now and still automatically qualify for the champions league. There's no real difference between second and first, other than the title. I'd say we've comfortably qualified for the cl and we can't win the league. Was Mason not trying tonight? Did the players just down tools because they can win the league? Did they only play well because they have a fight for cl qualification?
No. They played well because they are professional footballers. They also love the game and grew up playing the game to win. You see teams still trying, even when they are getting battered. You see results like 8-2, 7-1, because players even at that point, knackered, humiliated, nothing to play for, still typically try. People say players look disinterested now and maybe some would act and feel as you describe, on occasions at least. That doesn't mean it will be the majority of them, all the time. It's being massively blown out of proportion.
I don't like the exclusivity, but I think that will be fixed overtime like it was with the European cup. Let's be honest, even in terms of internationals, UEFA has never shown regard for top clubs. Look at the UEFA Nations League nonsense, who did they consult. Its a power game between UEFA and top clubs, if the FA wants to get involved they can too, as they constantly overreach in terms of punishments and refereeing. Remember how poorly they handled the Cavani incident. The level of arrogance they keep showing towards manager fines for complaints. This is a power play and the media acting like this is the death of football is a narrative.
Yeah, it is going to be difficult for clubs like Bayern and Dortmund to resist when the biggest clubs in England, Spain and Italy (bar Napoli) are joining
It's American/Western Plutocracy.
Do you not have a problem with how arbitrary this all is? 15 clubs decide in 2021 that they want to break away? You see no problem with that?
Take about 10-15% off that there, big shoots.
Im amazed that most people are totally ignorant about this. Specially the british parliament, since there's no written constitution the parliament itself is the sovereign and pass any law it wanted to.
Hell, Chelsea may not even have been bought by Abramovich if they didn't quality for CL in 2003!
The arbitraryness of this is fecking scandalous.