European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?

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As far as I understand the clubs involved will take part in a super league thus no longer playing in their current leagues. Which means the English clubs involved won't be playing in the PL any longer. To be a part of this league you have to have the required financial clout. As long as those requirements are met and maintained then the clubs will not be "relegated" and no other clubs will be able to get into the league on merit alone. Again it will be financial status which is the deciding factor.
A SAD DAY FOR FOOTBALL
 
Revan said:
Yes and no.

First, it will not be under UEFA's umbrella. Second, it will be the same teams every year (or at least 12-15 of them, with 5 or so being qualified). I think it would be more an NBA of European football.

I still haven't made my mind, but I probably would like it. I also think it will make the other competitions very irrelevant.
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So only a few clubs would qualify for 'CL' whilst the breakaways always have a spot?
I think there will be a compromise somewhere.
 
Can't help but feel that spending power of state run clubs have accelerated this.

The big clubs are making losses trying to keep up with the Arabs.
 
Never going to happen, UEFA and premier league have already condemned it.

Plus UEFA have already said that any team that participates in it will be banned from ALL competitions, domestically and in europe. Players may also be banned from repping their country in Euros/WC's

If players put their foot down, it won't happen, plus if it happens then there's only a ESL, then it'll be so bad as there's no cup competitions (unless they make their own, but that really makes the league kinda pointless)

Any club who joins the European Super League will be banned from the Premier League, the FA Cup, Serie A, La Liga and UEFA competitions.

Their players are also at risk of being stopped from joining up with their national teams and, potentially, representing them at World Cups and European Championships, according to a joint statement.

https://theathletic.com/news/european-super-league-premier-league/i5ilPK1rFttI

The statements are pretty condemning of it.


The 20 clubs would be split into two 10-team groups. Each team in a group would play home and away matches against one another. The top four teams in each group would then play a knockout play-off across the two divisions to decide the champion for the season.

There would be home and away legs in the quarter-finals and semi-final, with a final played at a neutral venue.

It would also see a best versus worst approach to the knockout matches, with the team with the best record playing the team with the eighth-best record. This would also apply to the semi-finals.

Matches would take place in midweek, with the exception of the final. Clubs would still play in their domestic leagues.

https://theathletic.com/news/european-super-league-premier-league/i5ilPK1rFttI

Reads like a US style competition, but if we can still play in domestic leagues, then surely the Prem can come to an agreement. But if they ban them from the PL then what's the point, might as well not sign up
 
Topgun1 said:
I literally have no respect for opinions like this.


United have more than enough money to compete. The fact that United haven't lifted a title since Fergie left is down to disgraceful mismanagement and NOT money.
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This is where you're opinion is utter dogshit and why the clubs want this, because United cannot compete, of course United cannot fecking compete with the state of the United Arab Emirates, one of the richest states on the fecking planet. City went from zero PL titles to now having won 5 of the past 10, and the domination is accelerating with it set to be 3 from 4.

So many deluded people have no idea where all this has stemmed from. No team can compete.
 
What would this mean for tv rights deals? I doubt the contract the PL has with Sky and other broadcasters refers to United and Liverpool and being guaranteed to have those teams because of the frankly microscopic chance that those teams could be relegated over the course of said tv deal. However, clearly a broadcaster bought the rights to the league on the assumption that they would get to broadcast games with Liverpool, Chelsea etc.

Now with this, are Sky going to kick up a fuss over paying whatever it is they're paying to show Everton vs Newcastle as the biggest game of the season?
 
crossy1686 said:
It's not, it's the FA that won't let us compete in it and are threatening to ban us from domestic competition if we do.
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It's shameful that clubs with such great histories would even be pushing for this: a closed shop, separate from the other clubs. Another dark stain on our club, just the latest of many under the tenure of those Glazer parasites.
 
Oh by the way City have so many clubs around the world now, they could make their own 'super league' :D
 
crossy1686 said:
Domestic leagues can't and won't ban the only teams people are really paying to watch
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Exactly, they can't. Don't know why the domestic leagues are pissed. These teams hasn't said anything about leaving their domestic league anyway. UEFA on other hand, I just love it. :lol:
 
It’s clearly driven by money but I’d love to know the financial workings of this, how can a club that enters this super league, be financially better off than in the PL?

Or is the assumption that all the television money will follow them so they’ll get a greater share of it? Amazon/Netflix deals etc?
 
MDFC Manager said:
Or even Bayern for that matter. Everyone is aware of the antics they pull off in their league with respect to transfers.
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The two dominant teams of their leagues don’t like this. They don’t want challenges! They want a monopoly
 
crossy1686 said:
The holy than thou outrage is perplexing to be honest. We're talking about a potential return to the early 00's level of football, with a collection of brilliant teams slugging it out. People are really scared of change it seems.
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As well as Spurs and Arsenal.

I mean if you want to see the actual best teams slugging it out then a system where 15 are guaranteed a place independent of merit is hardly ideal.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
This is where you're opinion is utter dogshit and why the clubs want this, because United cannot compete, of course United cannot fecking compete with the state of the United Arab Emirates, one of the richest states on the fecking planet.

So many deluded people have no idea where all this has stemmed from.
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Exactly. They’ve given UEFA a chance with FFP to ensure spending is reduced - it failed. They’ve asked for more control over domestic/European tv rights to increase revenues - it was rejected. What did people expect? We just become City and PSGs fecking feeder club?
 
The premier league will turn into a year long Carabao Cup used by the super league clubs to rest players and play youngsters, it’s literally pointless when all the money is in the other league (or will be at least when the top 6 leave)
 
RORY65 said:
The clubs in this super league wouldn't want to stay in their domestic competitions anyway, they just can't come out and announce that straight away. They will want to play at weekends for the TV audience, will want to play around the world and will decide playing each other even more will be more worthwhile than playing the likes of Burnley.
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That is a lot of projection of ideas in one post.
 
Berbaclass said:
As a consumer who likes watching the best teams play the best teams, I like this idea.
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But Spurs and Arsenal aren't even among the best teams in England right now. Atlanta could finish above Juventus in Italy.
 
crossy1686 said:
Domestic leagues can't and won't ban the only teams people are really paying to watch
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They've already said that they will ban them teams from the league, any team can be expelled from the league if the governing body decides.
 
NinjaZombie said:
Can't help but feel that spending power of state run clubs have accelerated this.

The big clubs are making losses trying to keep up with the Arabs.
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That's a massive factor in this for sure. The costs of running a big, competitive football club have increased hugely because of the oil clubs, thereby reducing the money they (owners) make.
 
Let me guess the Presser. We don't want to do this but honestly, left with no other choice due to UEFA acting like a tyrant and making changes we don't like.

Cue some weeks of negotiation and a new structure that suits the moneymen on all sides
 
UnitedSofa said:
Never going to happen, UEFA and premier league have already condemned it.

Plus UEFA have already said that any team that participates in it will be banned from ALL competitions, domestically and in europe. Players may also be banned from repping their country in Euros/WC's

If players put their foot down, it won't happen, plus if it happens then there's only a ESL, then it'll be so bad as there's no cup competitions (unless they make their own, but that really makes the league kinda pointless)

Any club who joins the European Super League will be banned from the Premier League, the FA Cup, Serie A, La Liga and UEFA competitions.

Their players are also at risk of being stopped from joining up with their national teams and, potentially, representing them at World Cups and European Championships, according to a joint statement.

https://theathletic.com/news/european-super-league-premier-league/i5ilPK1rFttI

The statements are pretty condemning of it.


The 20 clubs would be split into two 10-team groups. Each team in a group would play home and away matches against one another. The top four teams in each group would then play a knockout play-off across the two divisions to decide the champion for the season.

There would be home and away legs in the quarter-finals and semi-final, with a final played at a neutral venue.

It would also see a best versus worst approach to the knockout matches, with the team with the best record playing the team with the eighth-best record. This would also apply to the semi-finals.

Matches would take place in midweek, with the exception of the final. Clubs would still play in their domestic leagues.

https://theathletic.com/news/european-super-league-premier-league/i5ilPK1rFttI

Reads like a US style competition, but if we can still play in domestic leagues, then surely the Prem can come to an agreement. But if they ban them from the PL then what's the point, might as well not sign up
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How can a UEFA body ban a player representing a country? That's a lawsuit right there. It just won't fly.

Moreover FIFA is on-board with this.
 
RORY65 said:
The clubs in this super league wouldn't want to stay in their domestic competitions anyway, they just can't come out and announce that straight away. They will want to play at weekends for the TV audience, will want to play around the world and will decide playing each other even more will be more worthwhile than playing the likes of Burnley.
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The NYT article says the fixtures have been planned as midweek games, with the final on a weekend.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
I think it's a direct response to UEFA and entities like the Premier League allowing the state takeovers of PSG and Man City. People hate change so I'm not surprised by the response, feckers went mad about apple removing the audio jack for fecks sake, but I'm unsure as to where I'm at with it, as I feel we're fast moving towards a U.A.E domination regardless.

Stupid cnuts.
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If FFP is removed or rendered even just more pointless than it already is, then no doubt more Oil states will be getting on the act. And European football will be nothing more than middle eastern pissing contest.
 
crossy1686 said:
The holy than thou outrage is perplexing to be honest. We're talking about a potential return to the early 00's level of football, with a collection of brilliant teams slugging it out. People are really scared of change it seems.
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A collection of brilliant teams slugging it out...isn’t that what the champions league is?
 
Tennis, snooker are still there as well as extreme sports. Would switch to them. The clubs backed by oil money will rule their leagues. In 5 years time they will rule European club football. The game has been dying for the last two decades, now the inevitable end is just approaching faster. Some people will spend their money on buying paintings, some will spend on football clubs, some on charity, some on gambling, some on booze and drugs etc. People do whatever they want to do. We, as fans, can either live with it or switch to something else. I will gladly concentrate on individual sports before they turn into toys in the hands of billionaires too.
 
I 100% would take Super League over FA Cup and League Cup games or over CL group matches where at least 4/6 of them are predictable, boring and pointless. No idea what the problem is here. We all know Premier League or Sky can't survive without the Big 6 so they can threaten as much as they want but removing needless competitions to make space for this one is smart and reasonable.
 
Mickeza said:
Exactly. They’ve given UEFA a chance with FFP to ensure spending is reduced - it failed. They’ve asked for more control over domestic/European tv rights to increase revenues - it was rejected. What did people expect? We just become City and PSGs fecking feeder club?
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Just look at the acceleration of City's dominance, from zero PL titles to 5 of the last 10, including soon 3 of the last 4. We are all getting swallowed up by the U.A.E because no football club can compete with a state.

Infuriating seeing so many posters here blaming the clubs, when UEFA and FA are clearly the feckwits that have caused it all.
 
So let’s say it happens as appears to have been pitched.

United now solely play in the 12 team European Super League where you cannot be relegated from or promoted to.

Where is the desire to improve your squad? Why would any of these owners spend millions of pounds improving the team when there is no financial benefit to winning the league, or even winning games?
 
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet but I think this is a power play from the clubs involved to put pressure on the domestic leagues to give more financial proportional weighting.

E.g Utd to ask the BPL to get it's 'fair' share to the TV money due to being the most supported etc.
 
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