European Super League

[crossy1686]

I don’t believe that is accurate as the Premier League have to agree to let them compete, if they don’t (and they won’t) then Utd would have to leave the Premier League in order to take part.

I think the Champions League revamp is something different isn’t it? If Utd were to leave the premier league and champions league I would call it a day after 35 years.

The PL will, they're just pissed off at not getting a cut and dictating the terms like they always.

Ah, I'd probably give it a watch, got nothing else to watch during the weekends anyway, or midweek. At least I won't have to watch us play Granada again

 

[UpWithRivers]

We have oil rich nations with horrendous human rights violations and other despicable sht they get up to taking over our clubs and everyone says nothing. In fact all people want is for their club to be next. Most competitions are bought by dodgey money now - see champions league. FIFA and UEFA are corrupt as fk. Basically a mafia organization as described by reporters.

Is anyone really surprised that there will be a European Super League? Next will be oil billionaires buying the likes of Newcastle and then buying their way into the 'Super League'. Hartlepool will be next.

 

[altodevil]

Anyone know where this will be announced then?

 

[Inigo Montoya]

I can imagine it now , we check to see what’s on the tv for the night , Utd at home to Barca or Antiques Roadshow. You’ll be watching it and so will everyone else.

(I’m not saying I agree with this breakaway FYI)

If was a choice of paying to watch a ESL or some shit on BBC.. I’m off doing something else mate.

 

[Tapori]

By that logic why do we bother buying players now? For the £5 million CL winners prize? The Glazers have invested more money in the last few years than United have ever had

Their benevolence knows no bounds.
Checks debt used to purchase club and re-finance for expenditure..

 

[Traub]

Another thing... Yesterday I watched Newcastle vs West Ham... Because it had stakes at either end. Like feck am I going to watch 16th place Arsenal play 12th place Milan or whatever it'll be, what's the incentive?

To be fair it’s always fun watching Arsenal lose...

In all seriousness, the counter to this would likely be that you’ll at least watch the earlier game in the season - did you watch West Ham vs Newcastle in the first half of the season?

secondly, all the Milan and Arsenal supporters will watch all their games. Probably results in more total viewers over an entire season.

 

[crossy1686]

How do you know?

Genuinely asking. I haven’t followed this at all

The Athletic are saying its a counter proposal for the new restructured CL but the FA won't allow us to compete in it so we'd have to drop out of all domestic competitions to play in it basically. However that won't happen because the FA need us more than we need them

 

[Mr Anderson]

I can imagine it now , we check to see what’s on the tv for the night , Utd at home to Barca or Antiques Roadshow. You’ll be watching it and so will everyone else.

(I’m not saying I agree with this breakaway FYI)

I’d honestly be giving up my season ticket. I think this type of competition, worked on in the background is a cheap and non-consideration of the fans.

Our club would have sold its soul.

 

[Kingantti1874]

Firstly I’ve never said I want it. Secondly I’ve stated there needs to be a way for others to get into it. However, let’s not pretend the CL is based on merit. You can’t tell me the winner of the Czech league is a better side than the 5th team in England.

because 30 years of greed has skewed the competition which has led to this point.

As a Scottish Utd “Fan” I watched my team Hearts beat Bayern Munich, I watched Dundee Utd beat Barcelona and Aberdeen beat Real Madrid. In 1990 sky arrived and skewed the finances to the point that competition became impossible.

Football was simply better back then, the big teams would still win 8 times out of 10 but upsets were not impossible. It made the game worthwhile.

The super league is simply the end game, it was only a matter of time.

 

[MDFC Manager]

Thank you Man City. Thank you PSG. Thank you every sad mental gymnast who dismissed the negative impact of their owners on the game as nothing more than bitterness. Their absolutely disgracefully sustained petrodollar business model has rattled every other greedy fuc* running a club these days. Every single governing body and fan who idled by and said nothing while city ruined the Premier league doesn't have a leg to stand on now. Sky Sports moaning about fairness? Tough shit you said nothing when it lined your pockets. Uefa? Likewise.

Also the farcical takeover of us, amongst other leaching owners was allowed to happen unimpeded by all the authorities. That's a factor too.

 

[Tapori]

Anyone know where this will be announced then?

Yes.
Several fathoms below the Earth complete with flaming fireworks and sponsored by [insert corporation]

 

[crossy1686]

There is all kinds of speculation. Best case scenario, I hope you are right and it ends as a storm in a teacup. Domestic competition must not be touched.

It's not, it's the FA that won't let us compete in it and are threatening to ban us from domestic competition if we do.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

We have oil rich nations with horrendous human rights violations and other despicable sht they get up to taking over our clubs and everyone says nothing. In fact all people want is for their club to be next. Most competitions are bought by dodgey money now - see champions league. FIFA and UEFA are corrupt as fk. Basically a mafia organization as described by reporters.

Is anyone really surprised that there will be a European Super League? Next will be oil billionaires buying the likes of Newcastle and then buying their way into the 'Super League'. Hartlepool will be next.

Oil rich or new tech billionaires buying Newcastle is a step too far

 

[Tapori]

Also the farcical takeover of us, amongst other leaching owners was allowed to happen unimpeded by all the authorities. That's a factor too.

This.
No stipulation for a trust stake.

 

[Blake's 7]

Bet Harry and Meghan are happy; this diverts all the country's negativity away from those two

 

[led_scholes]

Since when City, Chelsea and Tottenham are elite clubs? or Atletico Madrid? If we were having this conversation 15 years ago, they would be nowhere close to this super league and would cry about it, yet now they want it. Is Juve afraid that Porto or Ajax would eliminate them again? Is City and Arsenal afraid that Monaco would eliminate them again? Are we afraid that we are going to lose against a Turkish team again? Well, that is why football has amassed such a big following, because of the Greeces, the Leicesters, the Portos, the Basaksehirs, the Atalantas of the world and not only because of the Reals or Liverpools.

 

[VojjE]

Interesting if the clubs that remain boycott transfer dealings with the leaving clubs. Would the clubs be forced to prey on each other's players and academy youth I think they would take a second thought.

 

[Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell]

I can see why the big clubs feel like Uefa is an unnecessary and corrupt middle man.

But their greed could be their downfall.

Would UEFA and the FAs really ban the clubs from the domestic and national football?

 

[crossy1686]

Feel free to do this with several posters. You should do a signup if you're so convinced we'd all fall in line. You'd make thousands mate.

Happy to, I'll buy you all a subscription with my winnings.

 

[kidbob]

This reminds me of the scene in Step Brothers where the two lads beg their parents to let them turn their beds into bunk beds, and then blame them for letting them do it when it all goes wrong.

We all knew the Glazers were wrong 'uns right from the start. I honestly wouldn't be shocked to learn them, Kronke and the Liverpool shower had this planned before they ever even bought the clubs.

We all stood by and let it happen, not just the Premier League.

I have to disagree lad. 'We' had no power at all in this but the PL did. No matter what the fan protest were we had no real power to stop the takeover. However the people that literally run the League watched their biggest club being taken over, knowing that the debt was going to put onto the club. They did nothing. You want proof they could have done something then look at how they stopped Newcastle becoming the newest oil club. The fact is that the PL alone were the ones with the power to stop it. Do you really think the Glazer's gave a feck about fans opinions back then? What were you going to do, self-immolate outside Old Trafford while Joel lit a cigarette off your burning remains? The PL created this. In fact, if I recall, they literally created a new rule to stop the leveraged buy that happened to us after the fact.

On the other hand they let the likes of UAE and Roman to buy these clubs because they love the money they bring. The PL are equally as responsible for this happening via their short sighted money fuelled antics.

I agree with everything you've said otherwise. I hate those owners as much as you do but I would never blame the fans for that shit happening. The fault lies with UEFA and the individual league's governing bodies.

 

[bond19821982]

Yeah but they're saying that the PL, La Liga & Serie A will ban the teams from playing in the super league - in which case the teams may threaten to (or actually) leave their domestic leagues in order to play in the super league.

Imagine the domestic leagues without these teams? The whole concept of overseas TV rights goes for a toss right there. The sheer number of lawsuits the domestic leagues will face ?

 

[Robertd0803]

Im really hoping that this is an extreme power play so these teams get more of a say in the CL set up. They surely have to know that this will bring a shit tonne of legal issues and sanctions against them to prevent it.

 

[Lay]

Look at PSG being the moral champions.

 

[Berbaclass]

Football hasn't been about the fans for an awful long time, don't get the faux outrage.

 

[SER19]

Also the farcical takeover of us, amongst other leaching owners was allowed to happen unimpeded by all the authorities. That's a factor too.

Yeah just look at the supposed chairmen of this new 'league'. 3 Americans and bloody Perez!

 

[crossy1686]

Imagine the domestic leagues without these teams? The whole concept of overseas TV rights goes for a toss right there. The sheer number of lawsuits the domestic leagues will face ?

Domestic leagues can't and won't ban the only teams people are really paying to watch

 

[Interval]

Balls. The entire argument that fans will get to watch United play better clubs like Jube is just crap. For one, it is extremely disrespectful to the types of Leicester who have won more leagues than us in the last 5 yrs. Or Burnley or Sheffield who give us a good match every time we play them.

But that aside, it's crap because of what the motive behind it is. Fans can see through the facade that this is being done to milk whatever little money more they can off the fans and not because they care about the quality of opposition and improving their level of football. This is money grabbing grub and the fact that they feel like they don't even have to take the fans opinion on board before announcing it shows how much they care about "fans" beyond the Dollar signs drawn on them.

So yeah, feck em. Glazers included. Sure it'll be fun to become the Burnley of a European League and then laugh at the people acting all high and mighty about playing them every season. But I'd enjoy it if it weren't my fecking club pulling the strings

 

[RORY65]

Imagine the domestic leagues without these teams? The whole concept of overseas TV rights goes for a toss right there. The sheer number of lawsuits the domestic leagues will face ?

The clubs in this super league wouldn't want to stay in their domestic competitions anyway, they just can't come out and announce that straight away. They will want to play at weekends for the TV audience, will want to play around the world and will decide playing each other even more will be more worthwhile than playing the likes of Burnley.

 

[Berbaclass]

Domestic leagues can't and won't ban the only teams people are really paying to watch

Will they give the big clubs permission? If not they would have to breakaway.

 

[crossy1686]

Football hasn't been about the fans for an awful long time, don't get the faux outrage.

The holy than thou outrage is perplexing to be honest. We're talking about a potential return to the early 00's level of football, with a collection of brilliant teams slugging it out. People are really scared of change it seems.

 

[DOTA]

From the Athletic for those that haven't read the details yet:

Sounds messy. If teams are playing as guaranteed members of the super league and also in their own leagues we could end up where some team is a guaranteed member whilst finishing in the bottom half of their own league.

The guaranteed members can't be competing domestically for it to work, in my view.

 

[Topgun1]

Can't you see that your owner is partly responsible for this happening?

When you have Middle Eastern countries buying up small clubs in PSG n City and upsetting the status quo of elite football you're going to get a lot of unhappy major clubs.

Abramovich was the light the ignited the fuse. The UAE n Qatar have added the oil to the fire literally.

I literally have no respect for opinions like this.

What you want are smaller clubs to remain small permanently and there's no point pretending otherwise. It's just pure protectionism.

If United was some tinpot club, of course you'd want new owners that can build up the club's reputation.

If football was like you wanted, with the same big teams, and the big players only going to the same teams.....how boring is that? Under your mind numbingly boring world, we wouldn't ever be able to see a fantastic fixture like Bayern Vs PSG.

United have more than enough money to compete. The fact that United haven't lifted a title since Fergie left is down to disgraceful mismanagement and NOT money.

 

[MDFC Manager]

I have to disagree lad. 'We' had no power at all in this but the PL did. No matter what the fan protest were we had no real power to stop the takeover. However the people that literally run the League watched their biggest club being taken over, knowing that the debt was going to put onto the club. They did nothing. You want proof they could have done something then look at how they stopped Newcastle becoming the newest oil club. The fact is that the PL alone were the ones with the power to stop it. Do you really think the Glazer's gave a feck about fans opinions back then? What were you going to do, self-immolate outside Old Trafford while Joel lit a cigarette off your burning remains? The PL created this. In fact, if I recall, they literally created a new rule to stop the leveraged buy that happened to us after the fact.

On the other hand they let the likes of UAE and Roman to buy these clubs because they love the money they bring. The PL are equally as responsible for this happening via their short sighted money fuelled antics.

I agree with everything you've said otherwise. I hate those owners as much as you do but I would never blame the fans for that shit happening. The fault lies with UEFA and the individual league's governing bodies.

Cracking post, completely agree

 

[Bobade]

Mate the biggest issue is that the PL allowed it happen. Why allow this shit to happen and then cry foul at the consequences? The PL should have stepped in and said that no way could we be bought and have that debt put on the club. Now what we have is the PL calling 'fair play'. These problems were created by the likes of PL and UEFA alone and no one else. "Wow scumbag owners who only care abut themselves are acting in a selfish way"! The time to stop this was years ago but they did nothing and now this is the result.

By the way we are already the relative bottom feeders in the PL now anyway.

How can 2nd in the league be bottom feeders ?

 

[crossy1686]

Will they give the big clubs permission? If not they would have to breakaway.

Of course they will, they can't afford not to. The FA will worm their way into getting a cut and this will go silent over night

 

[Berbaclass]

The holy than thou outrage is perplexing to be honest. We're talking about a potential return to the early 00's level of football, with a collection of brilliant teams slugging it out. People are really scared of change it seems.

As a consumer who likes watching the best teams play the best teams, I like this idea.

 

[Traub]

Stepping stone to us having a feeder club in the PL?

 

[MDFC Manager]

Look at PSG being the moral champions.

Or even Bayern for that matter. Everyone is aware of the antics they pull off in their league with respect to transfers.

 

[Maciej]

 

[horsechoker]

Could this be football's Brexit moment?

Does UEFA need the big clubs of England and Spain more than the big club of England and Spain need UEFA?