European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?

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hobbers said:
You probably want to actually read up on the details we already know because there's literally nothing more predictable than a league with no relegation or promotion and nothing to play for other than outright winning it.
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Sure, but my point is, we don't yet have all the finalized details. Right now there is a lot of speculation and different news reports. Lets see what it is they are proposing and we can determine at that point if it has merit.
 
Interval said:
Let me guess the Presser. We don't want to do this but honestly, left with no other choice due to UEFA acting like a tyrant and making changes we don't like.

Cue some weeks of negotiation and a new structure that suits the moneymen on all sides
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Nailed it. I don't think their wrong either, there's too much power in the associations. It was cool for them to create the UEFA Nation's League and create more international fixtures without club consultation
 
Fanta Stick said:
Do you think Haaland or Sancho would be happy about not being able to represent their national teams?
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You honestly think FIFA will ban players? all that will do is de-value their tournament and brand it’s never going to happen. Who wants to watch a ‘world cup’ with B grade players, the England team will be made up of Everton, Leicester and Villa players.

Fifa, the FA, UEFA are fecked and they know it. These are multi billion, world wide clubs that have too much power there’s not much they can do.

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bond19821982 said:
They haven't said that. I seriously don't understand the outcry from fans and domestic leagues. Nothing changes from the existing format and the small clubs would still get their fair share of money like they are getting now. So what exactly is the issue here if 14 clubs decides to play in an additional tournament?
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Do you really believe that's the end goal? If this happens those clubs will be gone from their domestic leagues shortly. Plus those clubs ditching the Champions League and essentially closing out other clubs does impact the rest of the Premier League anyway, Arsenal and Spurs are midtable sides who would suddenly get a huge injection of revenue beyond that made by teams who are currently much better than them. I'm not sure why I'm arguing so much in fairness given I still think this is unlikely thankfully.
 
Berbaclass said:
People probably made a massive outrage over that too.
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If I remember my research correctly, it was a case of all the big teams making their own league because not enough money was coming in.

I would 100% be confident in saying people were against it too.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Just look at the acceleration of City's dominance, from zero PL titles to 5 of the last 10, including soon 3 of the last 4. We are all getting swallowed up by the U.A.E because no football club can compete with a state.

Infuriating seeing so many posters here blaming the clubs, when UEFA and FA are clearly the feckwits that have caused it all.
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Exactly. I am so surprised that so few people see it this way. In a few years time these very people would rue not being owned by the Saudis.

Newcastle fecking united will be able to pay better wages than us and suddenly we will be fighting for scraps. This way we are in control of our own destiny yet people get on a high horse to declare the death of football without realizing that their idea of football is already dead. The PL and the CL are living proof.
 
Lay said:
There’s no talk of leaving the domestic leagues right?
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It seems the proposals being put forward by the twelve clubs tonight do not involve leaving domestic leagues, no. However, all the domestic leagues and UEFA have issued a statement saying any clubs pushing ahead will be expelled. So it's one or the other.
 
The FA, UEFA and FIFA are all a complete joke, just like this proposal. For me this just seems like a power play to get more money and favorable terms than what they get currently.
 
Fanta Stick said:
Do you think Haaland or Sancho would be happy about not being able to represent their national teams?
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They won't do it. And honestly I'm not sure they'd care.

This is 100% a TV rights issue. The champions League isn't giving enough of a cut to the teams that actually bring in the money (skimming off the top). This was as inevitable as the premier League, once Americans got involved. I don't care about it and Neville moaning is wildly hypocritical, he takes sky sports money.
 
crossy1686 said:
The Champions league hasn't been that for years. Since they started letting shite teams from all of Europe in because they won their league
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Feck this arrogant attitude. They've been letting in "shite" teams for all over Europe since back when it was called the European Cup. What changed is that they started letting in teams that didn't win their leagues.
 
sullydnl said:
How does the domestic league function with the incentive of qualifying for a CL place neutered?

Take this season for example, where Leicester and West Ham have currently ousted Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal for CL places. Under a Super League system those teams have a guaranteed spot. So what reward do West Ham and Leicester get for being the better teams in that scenario? One of them might get a super league place? But given they're one of the few teams who have a chance of dropping out of that league next year, they have less opportunity to consolidate that position and therefore less incentive to invest upon achieving it.

Hardly a scenario that makes for a thrilling league.
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No, it just reiterates the point. Westham and Leicester get the CL money while Chelsea , Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs gets the ESL money. Nothing is being taken away from West Ham or Leicester here. They are still going to play in the dignified CL.
 
Castia said:
You honestly think FIFA will ban players? all that will do is de-value their tournament and brand it’s never going to happen. Who wants to watch a ‘world cup’ with B grade players, the England team will be made up of Everton, Leicester and Villa players.
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threats need to be credible. No one takes this threat seriously at all.

more chance of Gary Neville managing Liverpool.
 
Lay said:
There’s no talk of leaving the domestic leagues right?
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There is talk of us and the others being thrown out of the domestic leagues and the players of those clubs being voided for selection for their respective nations.
 
Note the clubs that weren't invited: oil oligarch owned shitter's. Isn't this a way to avoid the impotence of UEFA and financial fair play? Chelsea Psg and City in the final 4 of the champions League is the death knell of European football -anyway-, the champions League has been wank for years.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
I can’t get my head around how transfers would work. I can see the PL teams not having as much money to spend (less tv money, gate receipts etc) and would expect them to have players of a lower level to the super league teams, not worthy of buying and if they were hardly millions worth, so the super teams will just be buying off each other?
Probably would be ok for five years or so but then I can see quality dropping of national leagues a lot and the novelty of a league of 12 wearing off fast
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With all the Americans involved in this I wouldnt be surprised if they propose a draft every year and trades!

And goals will be worth 6 points as well.
 
I have spoken out for a european Champions' *League* many times, but to deserve the name, it has to be based on performance, i.e., qualification and relegation. The CL is already close to a a closed society of money sacks and moving further in that direction with its own proposed changes. We don't need any more of that, and least of all, a competition envisioned by investor-owned clubs.
 
These threats of being expelled feel very hollow. There is virtually no chance players playing at the big clubs get banned. Big clubs bring all the revenue.

There is a better chance of me bagging adriana lima than this.
 
Fanta Stick said:
Do you think Haaland or Sancho would be happy about not being able to represent their national teams?
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Under what law do you think that they can prevent certain players from representing their National teams? That would be like a Bosman case x 1000. Can't see how they will legally enforce that.
 
RedDevilzFox said:
Might be an unpopular opinion but I am not against it. We do not have all the details yet so I would reserve judgement but to me Champions League is an extremely boring competition at this point. There are 5-6 teams that are reaching every SF and 3-4 that win the competition almost all the time. Its completely predictable. Now they are trying to expand CL with even more pointless teams creating even more pointless games.

I don't yet know if superleague also has the potential to become predictable but one can see why CL is a little bit outdated, prestigious though it certainly is.
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Same 3 or 4? 9 different winners in the past 20 years. The only team to ever defend their title is Real Madrid...
 
Announcement incoming:

President: florentino perez (real madrid)
Vice President: joel glazer (man united)
Vice President: john henry (liverpool)
Vice President: stan kroenke (arsenal)
Vice President: andrea agnelli (juventus)
 
sullydnl said:
How does the domestic league function with the incentive of qualifying for a CL place neutered?

Take this season for example, where Leicester and West Ham have currently ousted Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal for CL places. Under a Super League system those teams have a guaranteed spot. So what reward do West Ham and Leicester get for being the better teams in that scenario? One of them might get a super league place? But given they're one of the few teams who have a chance of dropping out of that league next year, they have less opportunity to consolidate that position and therefore less incentive to invest upon achieving it.

Hardly a scenario that makes for a thrilling league.
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Are you not seeing this from the wrong perspective? If Arsenal, Chelsea et al are not in the CL but in the SL.It gives everyone else the chance to go in the CL. The SL isnt coming in to replace but rather compete against the CL.
 
bond19821982 said:
No, it just reiterates the point. Westham and Leicester get the CL money while Chelsea , Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs gets the ESL money. Nothing is being taken away from West Ham or Leicester here. They are still going to play in the dignified CL.
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They're going to play in a CL that has been devalued by an enormous magnitude by not having football's biggest clubs in it. What "CL money" do you think there will be at that point?
 
Topgun1 said:
I literally have no respect for opinions like this.

What you want are smaller clubs to remain small permanently and there's no point pretending otherwise. It's just pure protectionism.

If United was some tinpot club, of course you'd want new owners that can build up the club's reputation.

If football was like you wanted, with the same big teams, and the big players only going to the same teams.....how boring is that? Under your mind numbingly boring world, we wouldn't ever be able to see a fantastic fixture like Bayern Vs PSG.

United have more than enough money to compete. The fact that United haven't lifted a title since Fergie left is down to disgraceful mismanagement and NOT money.
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You think City would be happy if they were the traditional big club and Utd came from nowhere with cash from some oil rich Prince? Of course they wouldn't.

State ran clubs are the reason this idea is even being floated and I hate it. I want football to go back to when clubs actually earned their way to the top. But those days are done.

PSG and City have taken the piss and big clubs have had enough.
 
RedStarUnited said:
Are you not seeing this from the wrong perspective? If Arsenal, Chelsea et al are not in the CL but in the SL.It gives everyone else the chance to go in the CL. The SL isnt coming in to replace but rather compete against the CL.
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What competition? The SL would have the world's biggest, richest clubs involved along with all the best players. It would kill the CL as we know it.
 
JPRouve said:
There are talks about being thrown out of them.
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What is the point if we get kicked out of the PL and cup competitions. So just left with a super league, that someone might run away with so most games will be glorified friendlies with nothing riding on them.
 
RORY65 said:
Do you really believe that's the end goal? If this happens those clubs will be gone from their domestic leagues shortly. Plus those clubs ditching the Champions League and essentially closing out other clubs does impact the rest of the Premier League anyway, Arsenal and Spurs are midtable sides who would suddenly get a huge injection of revenue beyond that made by teams who are currently much better than them. I'm not sure why I'm arguing so much in fairness given I still think this is unlikely thankfully.
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Ofcourse I do believe that. The domestic leagues is tied to their existence and identity. It's the soul of match going fans. No one is touching or changing it. Forget all that - we earn approximately 2-3 millions as gate revenues during match day. Do you really think we would sacrifice close to 100m for another mere 50 m ?
 
kidbob said:
Give it enough time and I'm afraid you'll understand. What UEFA want is to allow as much money as possible come into football but have the biggest revenue makers accept it. They want a 'fairness' that can allow Man City to have a better bench than Arsenal do a first team but still take in all the revenue from Arsenal fans anyway. They want a 'fairness' that is a European 'Champions' league that gives multiple places to big revenue leagues that means that the actual champions from Scotland, Ireland, etc will never be able to make it to the competition proper. They want a 'fairness' that suits only them. The only reason that UEFA care about this is because they stand to lose revenue. If this was Rangers and Dundalk and other small clubs, who are champions, from small nations planning this UEFA wouldn't give a shit.

Well then maybe UEFA should have done more to stop UAE and Qatar from making a joke out of football. Maybe they should have stopped the likes of Leeds, Wigan, us and Liverpool from being taken over by obvious leeches and straddled with huge debts. They created this shit and it is their fault. I hate the super league idea but I simply don't blame the clubs I blame UEFA, the FA and the other league authorities.
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Ah I see what you meant now. I don't disagree.
 
Kounan said:
Probably still happier then having their wages reduced to a third or probably more.
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These clubs will also be banned from playing in any other competition at domestic, European or world level.
Mickeza said:
For 6-8 games a year? Versus earning shit tons more competing at the highest level against the very best players. It’s a sodding no brainer. No chance FIFA bans players.
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If Haaland was all about the filthy lucre he would have joined Utd instead of Dortmund.

Btw, I do not believe there is any chance of this breakaway league happening as the fans do not want it.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
What is the point if we get kicked out of the PL and cup competitions. So just left with a super league, that someone might run away with so most games will be glorified friendlies with nothing riding on them.
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I don't know much, we will have to see what is announced and how everyone reacts in the coming weeks/months.
 
Castia said:
You honestly think FIFA will ban players? all that will do is de-value their tournament and brand it’s never going to happen. Who wants to watch a ‘world cup’ with B grade players, the England team will be made up of Everton, Leicester and Villa players.
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Pope
Tripper Mings Keane Coady
Rice Bellingham
Sancho Lingard Grealish
Vardy

Subs: Johnstone, Niles, Phillips, Prowse, Calvert-Lewin, Watkins
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Can anyone come up with a better team?
 
::sonny:: said:
Announcement incoming:

President: florentino perez (real madrid)
Vice President: joel glazer (man united)
Vice President: john henry (liverpool)
Vice President: stan kroenke (arsenal)
Vice President: andrea agnelli (juventus)
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Spoiler that shit before i have my puking bags ready
 
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